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Mobility template

Hello, I've been using the Mobility Template Template:TankMobility lately but I've noticed a lot of discrepancies between in-game values and the wiki.


Discrepancies as of 08.03.20

US tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
M13 MGMC 259 HP 282 HP
M3 GMC 259 HP 282 HP
M16 MGMC 259 HP 282 HP
M8 Greyhound 159 HP 210 HP
M10 GMC 717 HP 782 HP
LVT(A)(4) ZIS-2 (USA) 437 HP 477 HP
M6A1 1272 HP 1526 HP
M15A1 CGMC 259 HP 282 HP
M18 GMC 804 HP 878 HP
M4A3E2 795 HP 954 HP
M18 "Black Cat" 804 HP 878 HP
Cobra King 795 HP 954 HP
M4A3E2 (76) W 795 HP 954 HP
M19 518 HP 565 HP
M36 GMC 874 HP 954 HP
M56 350 HP 382 HP
T26E1-1 795 HP 954 HP
Super Hellcat 804 HP 878 HP
T34 1287 HP 1545 HP 65.8t 65.1t
T29 1224 HP 1469 HP
T30 1287 HP 1545 HP 65.8t 65.1t
T32 1228 HP 1469 HP
T32E1 1228 HP 1469 HP
M42 874 HP 954 HP
T95 874 HP 954 HP
T114 280 HP 305 HP
M103 1287 HP 1545 HP
M163 11.0t 11.2t
M247 1310 HP 1431 HP
XM-803 2356 HP 2385 HP
M1 Abrams 2533 HP 2898 HP
IPM1 2533 HP 2898 HP
M1A1 Abrams 2533 HP 2898 HP
ADATS 23.7t 25.0t
M1A2 Abrams 2533 HP 2898 HP

XM-1 (Chrysler) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

German tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
Pz.III B 334 HP 477 HP
Flakpanzer I 100 HP 109 HP
Panzerjager I 175 HP 191 HP
Flakpanzer 38 262 HP 286 HP
Sd.Kfz.234/3 367 HP 401 HP
15cm sIG 33 B Sfl 271 HP 296 HP
Pz.III J 21.8t 21.3t
StuG III A 525 HP 572 HP
Pz.III J1 21.8t 21.3t
Sd.Kfz. 6/2 201 HP 219 HP
StuH 42 G 525 HP 572 HP
Sd.Kfz.234/4 367 HP 401 HP
Marder III 280 HP 305 HP
Marder III H 262 HP 286 HP
StuG III F 525 HP 572 HP
8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl. 402 HP 439 HP 24.3t 25.0t
StuG III G 525 HP 572 HP
15 cm Pz.W.42 119 HP 130 HP
Dicker Max 315 HP 343 HP
Tiger H1 1033 HP 1240 HP
Wirbelwind 525 HP 572 HP
Jagdpanzer 38(t) 280 HP 305 HP
KV-IB (Germany) 954 HP 1145 HP
Sturer Emil 542 HP 591 HP
Tiger E 1133 HP 1336 HP
Ostwind 525 HP 572 HP
Jagdpanzer IV 525 HP 572 HP
KV II 754 (r) (Germany) 954 HP 1145 HP
Pz.Kpfw. Churchill (Germany) 556 HP 668 HP
Nashorn 525 HP 572 HP 24.3t 23.5t
Panzer IV/70(V) 525 HP 572 HP
Panzer IV/70(A) 525 HP 572 HP
Brummbär 463 HP 506 HP 27.8t 28.2t
VFW 630 HP 687 HP
KV I C 756 (r) (Germany) 954 HP 1145 HP
VK 45.01 (P) 984 HP 1183 HP
Tiger (Germany) 1033 HP 1240 HP
Waffenträger 245 HP 267 HP 16.3t 17.0t
Tiger II (P) 1113 HP 1336 HP
Ostwind II 525 HP 572 HP
Jagdpanther 1224 HP 1336 HP
Bfw. Jagdpanther 1224 HP 1336 HP
Tiger II (H) Sla.16 1191 HP 1431 HP
Tiger II (H) 1113 HP 1336 HP
Ferdinand 926 HP 1011 HP
Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P 841 HP 1011 HP
Flakpanzer 341 1048 HP 1145 HP
JPz 4-5 874 HP 954 HP
Kugelblitz 525 HP 572 HP
Jagdtiger 1224 HP 1336 HP
Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K) 1431 HP 1717 HP
E-100 1431 HP 1717 HP
Maus 1905 HP 2290 HP
RakJPz 2 874 HP 954 HP
RakJPz 2 (HOT) 874 HP 954 HP
Gepard 1450 HP 1584 HP
VT1-2  ???? HP 4197 HP
Leopard 2K 2500 HP 2862 HP
Leopard 2A4 2500 HP 2862 HP
Leopard 2A5 2500 HP 2862 HP
FlaRakPz 1 1048 HP 1145 HP

M4 748 (a) (Germany) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

Soviet tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
BT-5 487 HP 696 HP
SU-5-1 157 HP 172 HP
GAZ-AAA (4M) 100 HP 109 HP
GAZ-AAA (DShK) 100 HP 109 HP
T-35 795 HP 954 HP
SU-57 259 HP 282 HP
BM-8-24 133 HP 145 HP
T-III (USSR) 21.8t 21.3t
ZiS-30 87 HP 95 HP
GAZ-MM (72-K) 100 HP 109 HP
BM-13N 164 HP 179 HP
KV-1 (L-11) 954 HP 1145 HP
SU-76M 245 HP 267 HP
BTR-152A 192 HP 210 HP
SU-76M (5th Gv.Kav.Corps) 245 HP 267 HP
KV-1S 954 HP 1145 HP 41.4t 42.5t
SU-122 874 HP 954 HP
ZiS-12 (94-KM) 122 HP 134 HP 3.0t 7.0t
MK-II "Matilda" (USSR) 302 HP 363 HP
ZUT-37 297 HP 324 HP
SU-85A 245 HP 267 HP
SMK 1351 HP 1622 HP
KV-1 (ZiS-5) 954 HP 1145 HP
ASU-57 96 HP 105 HP
SU-57B 182 HP 198 HP
YaG-10 (29-K) 164 HP 177 HP
KV-2 (1940) 954 HP 1145 HP
KV-2 (1939) 954 HP 1145 HP
KV-85 954 HP 1145 HP
SU-85 874 HP 954 HP
SU-85M 874 HP 954 HP
ZiS-43 157 HP 172 HP
SU-100Y 1486 HP 162 HP
IS-1 827 HP 992 HP
SU-152 1049 HP 1145 HP
KV-2 (ZiS-6) 954 HP 1145 HP
KV-1E 954 HP 1145 HP
Type 65 (USSR) 874 HP 954 HP
KV-220 1351 HP 1622 HP
ISU-152 909 HP 992 HP
ZSU-37 245 HP 267 HP
KV-122 827 HP 992 HP

T-34 (Prototype) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

T-34 (1st Gv.T.Br.) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

T-34-85E couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

Italian tree (in progress)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
Breda 501 248 HP 271 HP 09.02.2020
R3 T20 FA-HS 166 HP 181 HP 09.02.2020
105/25 M43 324 HP 353 HP 09.02.2020
75/34 M43 324 HP 353 HP 09.02.2020
75/46 M43 324 HP 353 HP 09.02.2020
AUBL/74 8.2t 8.5t 09.02.2020
R3 T106 FA 3.4t 3.5t 09.02.2020
Centauro 25.0t 27.0t 09.02.2020
Centauro ROMOR 28.0t 30.0t 09.02.2020
Ariete (P) 53.0t 53.8t 09.02.2020

M43 "G.C.Leoncello" couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.


Discrepancies in progress
Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
IS-2 827 HP 992 HP 09.03.2020
IS-2 (1944) 827 HP 992 HP 09.03.2020
ASU-85 367 HP 401 HP 09.03.2020
ISU-122 909 HP 992 HP 09.03.2020
ISU-122S 909 HP 992 HP 09.03.2020
SU-100P 699 HP 763 HP 09.03.2020
SU-100 874 HP 954 HP 09.03.2020
SU-122P 874 HP 954 HP 09.03.2020
IS-2 "Revenge" 827 HP 992 HP 09.03.2020
Type 62 (USSR) 20.5t 20.3t 09.03.2020
IS-6 1113 HP 1336 HP 51.1t 51.4t 09.03.2020
IS-3 827 HP 992 HP 10.03.2020
SU-122-54 909 HP 992 HP 10.03.2020
ZSU-57-2 909 HP 992 HP 10.03.2020
Object 120 839 HP 916 HP 26.8t 27.0t 10.03.2020
IS-7 1669 HP 2003 HP 10.03.2020
IS-4M 1192 HP 1431 HP 10.03.2020
Object 268 1310 HP 1431 HP 10.03.2020
T-10M 1192 HP 1431 HP 11.03.2020
Object 906 14.8t 15.0t 11.03.2020
ZSU-23-4 490 HP 534 HP 20.7t 21.0t 11.03.2020
BMP-2 14.0t 13.2t 11.03.2020
Shturm-S 420 HP 458 HP 11.03.2020
T-64B 40.1t 39.0t 11.03.2020
T-72A 41.0t 40.2t 11.03.2020
T-80B 42.5t 42.0t 11.03.2020
ZPRK 2S6 1240 HP 1355 HP 34.6t 34.0t 11.03.2020

The weight discrepancy for BMP-2, T-64B, T-72A and T-80B comes from the fact that the add-on armor weight is removed twice. The add-on armor weight is most likely not counted in the total weight of the vehicle.

British tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
Mk.VIA AA 154 HP 168 HP 11.03.2020
Daimler AC Mk.II 137 HP 181 HP 12.03.2020
T17E2 339 HP 370 HP 12.03.2020
Independent 588 HP 706 HP 32.0t 31.7t 12.03.2020
Matilda III 302 HP 363 HP 12.03.2020
AC Mk II AA 276 HP 301 HP 12.03.2020
Cromwell Mk.V (RP-3) 28.2t 28.4t 12.03.2020
3 inch Gun Carrier 612 HP 668 HP 12.03.2020
Churchill Mk I 556 HP 668 HP 12.03.2020
Archer 336 HP 366 HP 12.03.2020
Churchill Mk III 556 HP 668 HP 12.03.2020
Achilles 717 HP 782 HP 12.03.2020
Crusader AA Mk II 595 HP 649 HP 12.03.2020
Churchill Mk VII 556 HP 668 HP 12.03.2020
Excelsior 997 HP 1198 HP 12.03.2020
QF 3.7 Ram 699 HP 763 HP 12.03.2020
FV4202 37.0t 37.2t 12.03.2020
Charioteer Mk VII 1049 HP 1145 HP 12.03.2020
Crusader AA Mk I 595 HP 649 HP 12.03.2020
Black Prince 556 HP 668 HP 12.03.2020
Caernarvon 1287 HP 1545 HP 12.03.2020
Tortoise 1137 HP 1240 HP 12.03.2020
FV4005 1137 HP 1240 HP 59.5t 60.0t 12.03.2020
Conway 1110 HP 1212 HP 13.03.2020
Falcon 372 HP 406 HP 13.03.2020
Conqueror 1287 HP 1545 HP 13.03.2020
Swingfire 420 HP 458 HP 15.9t 16.2t 13.03.2020
Chieftain Marksman 1328 HP 1450 HP 13.03.2020
Rooikat 105 (1.97) 991 HP 1082 HP 19.03.2020
Vickers Mk.7 2500 HP 2862 HP 13.03.2020
Striker 332 HP 363 HP 13.03.2020
Challenger Mk.3 65.5t 65.0t 13.03.2020
Challenger 2 62.5t 61.4t 13.03.2020
Stormer HVM 437 HP 477 HP 13.03.2020

Achilles (65 Rg.) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

Black Prince couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

The weight discrepancy for Challenger 2 comes from the fact that the add-on armor weight is removed twice. The add-on armor weight is most likely not counted in the total weight of the vehicle.

Japanese tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
Ha-Go 160 HP 229 HP 15.03.2020
I-Go Ko 11.1t 11.5t 15.03.2020
Ho-Ro 297 HP 324 HP 14.8t 15.0t 15.03.2020
Type 94 119 HP 130 HP 15.03.2020
Ha-Go Commander 160 HP 229 HP 15.03.2020
Ke-Ni 173 HP 248 HP 7.0t 7.2t 15.03.2020
Chi-Ha 14.8t 15.0t 15.03.2020
Ro-Go 461 HP 553 HP 15.03.2020
Ka-Mi 153 HP 219 HP 15.03.2020
Chi-Ha Kai 14.8t 15.0t 15.03.2020
Ho-Ni I 14.8t 15.0t 16.03.2020
Ta-Se 168 HP 248 HP 7.0t 7.2t 16.03.2020
Chi-Ha Short Gun 14.8t 15.0t 16.03.2020
Ho-Ni III 297 HP 324 HP 16.8t 17.0t 16.03.2020
Na-To 289 HP 315 HP 18.03.2020
So-Ki 168 HP 248 HP 7.0t 7.2t 18.03.2020
Chi-Nu II 19.8t 20.0t 18.03.2020
Heavy Tank No.6 (Japan) 1113 HP 1336 HP 18.03.2020
ST-A1 34.2t 34.0t 18.03.2020
ST-A2 34.2t 34.0t 18.03.2020
Ho-Ri Production 1924 HP 2099 HP 18.03.2020
M42 (Japan) 874 HP 954 HP 18.03.2020
Ho-Ri Prototype 961 HP 1049 HP 18.03.2020
Type 60 SPRG (C) 262 HP 286 HP 7.7t 8.0t 18.03.2020
Type 60 ATM 385 HP 420 HP 18.03.2020
STB-1 37.8t 38.0t 18.03.2020
Type 75 SPH 786 HP 859 HP 18.03.2020
Type 75 MLRS 525 HP 572 HP 18.03.2020
Type 87 1259 HP 1374 HP 18.03.2020
Type 74G 37.3t 38.5t 18.03.2020
Type 90 2500 HP 2862 HP 18.03.2020
Type 16 997 HP 1088 HP 18.03.2020
Type 90 (B) 2500 HP 2862 HP 18.03.2020

Heavy Tank No.6 (Japan) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

Ho-Ri Prototype couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

Italian tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight RB Engine upgraded Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
M13/40 (I) 13.6t 14.0t 19.03.2020
M13/40 (III) 13.6t 14.0t 19.03.2020
AS42 192 HP 210 HP 19.03.2020
L3/33 CC 75 HP 82 HP 19.03.2020
M13/40 (II) 13.6t 14.0t 19.03.2020
47/32 L40 119 HP 130 HP 19.03.2020
M42 (Italy) 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
75/18 M41 280 HP 305 HP 20.03.2020
75/32 M41 280 HP 305 HP 20.03.2020
90/53 M41M 280 HP 305 HP 20.03.2020
75/34 M42 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
Breda 501 248 HP 271 HP 20.03.2020
R3 T20 FA-HS 166 HP 181 HP 20.03.2020
105/25 M43 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
M43 "G.C.Leoncello" 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
75/34 M43 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
75/46 M43 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
FIAT 6614 8.2t 8.5t 20.03.2020
M36B1 786 HP 859 HP 20.03.2020
AUBL/74 8.2t 8.5t 20.03.2020
R3 T106 FA 130 95 20.03.2020
SIDAM 25 371 HP 404 HP 20.03.2020
M113A1 (TOW) 376 HP 410 HP 20.03.2020
Centauro 909 HP 992 HP 25.0t 27.0t 20.03.2020
Centauro ROMOR 909 HP 992 HP 28.0t 30.0t 20.03.2020
OTOMATIC 1451 HP 1584 HP 20.03.2020
Ariete (P) 2167 HP 2480 HP 53.0t 53.8t 20.03.2020
Centauro MGS 909 HP 992 HP 25.0t 27.0t 20.03.2020
Ariete 2167 HP 2480 HP 52.0+1.0t 53.8t 20.03.2020
SIDAM 25 (Mistral) 371 HP 404 HP 20.03.2020
Ariete PSO 2167 HP 2480 HP 20.03.2020

M60A1 "D.C.Ariete" couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

Is there a way to correct that? --Colok76286 (talk) 20:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello. The R3 T106 FA discrepancy is due to a difference in rounding strategies between the wiki and the game. Any values that are automatically inserted and seem to be off by +- 1 on the last digit are likely just rounding errors, and I'm not sure how much can be done to remedy them. As for the other values, I will see if we can get the database maintainer to check/correct the values. Could you check your values for M4 Tipo IC, as they don't seem to agree with either the game or the wiki. -DnaGonite (talk) 22:22, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
My bad, it was the Breda 501 and not the M4 tipo Ic. --Colok76286 (talk) 22:52, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
I added the next discrepancies I found to the list. HP values are for Arcade Spaded. --Colok76286 (talk) 13:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
This is the guy in charge of the numbers User:VolgaIgor--blastedryan (talk) 00:23, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with continuing updating the list here, however (unless DnaGonite is getting annoyed by the new talk notifications). The list has already been forwarded for investigation.--Inceptor57 (talk) 08:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
I updated the whole US tree but I do not have vehicles at BR 6.7 and above upgraded so I still reported the discrepancies I noticed at those tiers but I can't confirm them. --Colok76286 (talk) 14:31, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for all your hard work! But how do you know they are discrepancies if you don't have them spaded? -DnaGonite (talk) 15:08, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Based on the numbers that were in the wiki already, the fact that many tanks use the same engine (M60 family, M1 family, etc.) and the fact that the difference between HP Stock and Upgraded is a multiplier of around 1.23. But feel free to recheck the end of the list or have it rechecked by someone owning the tanks. I have everything spaded until BR 6.3 included (and also the T30). --Colok76286 (talk) 15:42, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
I've noticed that User:Oxygen_Thief removes the mobility tables from tank articles. it was already done for 2 articles: M11/39 & 47/32_L40. It went unnoticed because he sets his own modifications as approved. --Colok76286 (talk) 20:47, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

@Colok could you recheck your values for the R3 T106 FA? I don't have the vehicle so I don't what the specs are spaded, but my stock rb is 84 hp instead of your 115 hp... - DnaGonite (talk) 00:07, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Naval weapons charts

Few days back I added Penetration statistics and Shell details to 3 inch Mk.33 (76 mm). I want to ask If that is right way or I should add it directly to correct armament section on vehicle page that is using it? Same like tanks. Thanks -Vianočka (talk) 07:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't see any harm in adding to both pages. The weapon pages are designed to be a more detailed overview of the weapon, but it's still useful information to be able to see when looking at a specific vehicle. The only problem I could see is if the ship has large amounts of different secondary/anti-air armaments, in which case the tables may overly bloat the page, but that shouldn't apply to the large majority of vehicles. -DnaGonite (talk) 10:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Creating a category

I'd like to create a category: Multi-turreted tanks. Is it OK? How do I do to create such a category? (I tried adding it to an article, thinking it would de facto create a category page). --Colok76286 (talk) 15:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Colok. Vehicle categories should already be automatically inputted into the page via the spec card template at the top. These categories represent what the vehicle is classified as in the game at the time. Creation of custom categories for these vehicle pages or branching existing ones vehicles that are not classified in those categories in the game are generally discouraged. However, the creation of a template table to categorize such vehicles is not out of the question, similar to how we have manufacturer template tables for plane. This can be arranged to have one created for multi-turreted tanks. If you have complications in making one, we can assist in having one made in the future. --Inceptor57 (talk) 18:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello, thanks for the answer. I am fine with a simple Wiki page if categories must reflect in-game classification. --Colok76286 (talk) 19:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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