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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Russian tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]].
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Russian tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]].
  
This tank destroyer uses a 57 mm ZIS-4 for its main gun. It features a low profile, good top speed (40 km/h in RB) and great penetration for its tier, but a weak to very weak armour on all angles. It is the first Tank destroyer (TD) available at Tier 3.
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This tank destroyer uses a 57 mm ZIS-4 for its main gun. It features a low profile, good top speed (40 km/h in RB) and great penetration for its rank, but weak armour on all angles. It is the first rank destroyer available at rank III for the Soviets available.
  
The overall design of the SU-57B allows for sneaky attacks, if possible from medium range on unsuspecting enemies. Because of its low profile, this TD can use bushes and terrain to hide its approach.
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The overall design of the SU-57B allows for sneaky attacks, revolving around the 57 mm ZiS-4 gun that allows for engagement from medium range on unsuspecting enemies. Because of its low profile, this TD can use bushes and terrain to hide its approach. However, the trade-off is lackluster mobility, so it compares with the ZiS-30 that provides better mobility and speed and can reposition much faster. Despite all these limitations, when played right the SU-57B can score good scores, but only when properly positioned and not detected.
 
 
The main gun is ridiculously powerful for its tier and hull.It features a ZIS-4 57mm that has a penetration rate similar to higher 76mm gun, and better than the ZIS-30 main gun. To the contrary of the ZIS-30, the SU-57B has 72 rounds capacity, which makes it suitable for long battles and the player can affort to miss shots.The position of the main gun is quite low and enemies will have a hard time detecting the silhouette of the tank. However because of its long barrel, one must be careful not to stand out from cover or from the sides.
 
 
 
The recoil of the gun can be important and must be taken care of, as well as the dispersion effect.The relatively fast reloading rate allows for a comfortable targeting.
 
 
 
However the poor mobility hampers the effectiveness of the tank, especially in RB mode. This condems this TD as a long-range sniper only.
 
 
 
Regarding the crew protection, because of the number of crew members (4), the loss of 1 or 2 crew members is acceptable. But due to the thin armour (25mm front, 16mm sides and rear), the SU-57B can take one or two shots maximum before being put out of order. It is much better protected than the ZIS-30 and can sustain MG fire.
 
 
 
Overall, the only value of the Su-57B is its powerful and precise 57mm gun. The ZIS-30 does better in terms of mobility and speed and can reposition much faster. Despite all these limitations, when played right the SU-57B can score good scores, but only when properly positioned and not detected.  
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.-->
  
The SU-57B has the best armour on the front (25mm), weaker armour on the sides (16mm) and weak on the rear (16mm).
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The SU-57B has the best armour on the front (25mm), weaker armour on the sides (16mm) and weak on the rear (16mm). Regarding the crew protection, because of the number of crew members (4), the loss of 1 or 2 crew members is acceptable. But due to the thin armour (25mm front, 16mm sides and rear), the SU-57B can take one or two shots maximum before being put out of order. It is much better protected than the ZiS-30 and can sustain MG fire.
 
 
[[File:SU-57B Armour Analysis.jpg|alt=Su-57B Armour Analysis|left|frameless|700x700px|Su-57B Armour Analysis]]
 
 
 
'''Front Armour:'''
 
 
 
[[File:Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Front.jpg|alt=Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Front|left|thumb|700x700px|Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Front]]
 
 
 
'''Side Armour:'''
 
 
 
[[File:Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Side.jpg|alt=Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Side|left|thumb|700x700px|Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Side]]
 
 
 
'''Rear Armour:'''
 
 
 
[[File:Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Rear.jpg|alt=Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Rear|left|thumb|700x700px]]
 
 
 
'''Top Armour:'''
 
 
 
[[File:Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Top.jpg|alt=Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Top|left|thumb|700x700px]]
 
  
 
'''Armour type:'''
 
'''Armour type:'''
 
 
* Rolled homogeneous armour
 
* Rolled homogeneous armour
 
 
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
!Front
 
!Sides  
 
!Rear
 
!Roof
 
!Tracks
 
 
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|Hull
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| Hull || 25 mm (38°) ''Front glacis''<br> 25 mm (24°) ''Lower glacis'' <br> 25 mm (0-90°) ''Gun mantlet'' <br> 25 mm (37°) ''Cheeks'' || 16 mm (0-32°) || 16 mm (40°) ''Top'' <br> 10 mm (45°) ''Bottom'' || 10 mm (72-85°)<br> 5 mm (72°) ''Grille''
|25mm for
 
''Front plate''  
 
 
 
''Front glacis''  
 
 
 
''Lower glacis''
 
|16mm for
 
''Top'' and ''Bottom''
 
|16mm(72°)
 
|10mm (85°)
 
|15mm(11°)
 
 
|-
 
|-
|Gun shield
 
|15mm (15°)
 
|N/A
 
|N/A
 
|N/A
 
|N/A
 
 
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* Belly armour is 6 mm thick.
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* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick.
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=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
 
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The SU-57B is sluggish at backwards speed and you will have a hard time countering an opponent behind you. Your best bet is to flee when spotted. Fortunately thanks to its great speed (43 km/h maximum) it can flee quite easily.
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The SU-57B is sluggish at backwards speed and will have a hard time countering an opponent attempting to flank the SU-57B. The best bet is to flee when spotted. Fortunately, thanks to its great forward speed (43 km/h maximum), the SU-57B can still move quite easily.
  
 
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'''Crew Placement:'''
 
 
[[File:Su-57B% 20Crew% 20Analysis.jpg|alt=Su-57B% 20Crew% 20Analysis|left|thumb|700x700px]]
 
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
 
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{{main|ZiS-4 (57 mm)}}
  
It's pretty good reload speed (6.5 seconds) allows this tank to shoot with efficiency, however, with 72 rounds of ammunition, the SU-57B has much more ammo than the ZIS-30, allowing it to shoot freely without restriction. However, keep in mind the 6.5 seconds initial reload time can be quite long when facing an opponent at close range.
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The main gun is ridiculously powerful for its hull. It features a ZIS-4 57mm that has a penetration rate similar to the ZiS-30 main gun. The position of the main gun is quite low and enemies will have a hard time detecting the silhouette of the tank. However, because of its long barrel, one must be careful not to stand out from cover or from the sides.
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The recoil of the gun can be important and must be taken care of, as well as the dispersion effect. The relatively fast reloading rate of 6.5 seconds allows for a comfortable targeting and efficiency. Though, with the SU-57B able to hold a total of 72 rounds of ammunition, the SU-57B can shoot more freely without worry. However, keep in mind the 6.5 seconds initial reload time can be quite long when facing an opponent at close range.
  
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The SU-57B is purely a tank hunter. With its 57mm ZIS-4 gun, and at a BR of 3,3 it can easily pierce almost any opponent in the game. Because of its weak armour, it was not capable of engaging too close and had to stay at a medium to long range.
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The SU-57B is purely a tank hunter. With its 57mm ZIS-4 gun, and at a BR of 3.3, it can easily pierce almost any opponent in the game. Because of its weak armour, it is not capable of engaging too close and had to stay at a medium to long range.
  
Its APHEBC initial ammunition is effective at piercing enemy armour, but the nest ammo modification is even better with the APHE round (BR-271K).
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Its APHEBC initial ammunition is effective at piercing enemy armour, but the next ammo modification is even better with the APHE round (BR-271K).
  
 
It also features a HE round that can be unlocked later, but it is preferable to stick with BR-271 or BR-217K rounds as they offer up to 142 mm of penetration which is excellent for its use and BR.
 
It also features a HE round that can be unlocked later, but it is preferable to stick with BR-271 or BR-217K rounds as they offer up to 142 mm of penetration which is excellent for its use and BR.
  
The SU-57B is best played as a sniper, preferably taking advantage of its very low profile (still not as good as the ASU-57 but almost). It excels at shooting from high vantage points or from the sides but must be repositioned after each shot to avoid retaliation fire.
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While in a tank hunter role, the SU-57B should take up a fighting style akin to a sniper, taking advantage of its very low profile (still not as good as the ASU-57, but almost). It excels at shooting from high vantage points or from the sides, but must be repositioned after each shot to avoid return fire.
  
With only 25 mm frontal armour at best and 16mm on the side and virtually none on the rear, a single shot would be fatal and leave the crew disabled at best. It is even susceptible to Heavy MG fire from the sides and rear
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With only 25 mm frontal armour at best and 16mm on the side and virtually none on the rear, a single shot would be fatal and leave the crew disabled at best. It is even susceptible to heavy MG fire from the sides and rear.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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* Very low profile ideal for sneak attacks and sniper attacks, similar to ASU-57
 
* Very low profile ideal for sneak attacks and sniper attacks, similar to ASU-57
 
* Good reload time (6.5 seconds)
 
* Good reload time (6.5 seconds)
 
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
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* Sluggish acceleration
 
* Sluggish acceleration
 
* Very weak rear speed
 
* Very weak rear speed
* Poor side mobility. Don't expect to be able to turn around quickly
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* Poor side mobility, don't expect to be able to turn around quickly
 
* Weak armour (25/16/16) and susceptible to rear and side shots or even Heavy MG
 
* Weak armour (25/16/16) and susceptible to rear and side shots or even Heavy MG
  
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In 1943 the MVTU USSR design bureau proposed an 11 ton tank hunter prototype with two main gun variants:  
 
In 1943 the MVTU USSR design bureau proposed an 11 ton tank hunter prototype with two main gun variants:  
  
1/ The 75mm S-1 main gun
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# The 75mm S-1 main gun
 
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# The 57 mm S-1-57 main gun
2/ The 57 mm S-1-57 main gun
 
  
 
Both would be propelled with a diesel GMC-71 engine.
 
Both would be propelled with a diesel GMC-71 engine.
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== Media ==
 
== Media ==
 
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[[File:SU-57B Intro.jpg|alt=SU-57B|none|thumb|SU-57B driving around Stalingrad]]
  
A Youtube review on how to play the Su-57B: ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMYBfO-32LM]''
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{{Youtube-gallery|OMYBfO-32LM|Napalmratte: ''SU-57B - A Bad Tank w/ a Great Gun''}}
  
 
== See also ==
 
== See also ==
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* ''encyclopedia page on the tank;''
 
* ''encyclopedia page on the tank;''
 
* ''other literature.''-->
 
* ''other literature.''-->
Great article about Russian Hetzers.: [http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-Vehicles/Allies/2-USSR/05-TankDestroyers/RussianHetzer/File/Russian-Hetzer.htm]
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* [http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-Vehicles/Allies/2-USSR/05-TankDestroyers/RussianHetzer/File/Russian-Hetzer.htm [War Drawings<nowiki>]</nowiki> Russian Hetzer Tank Destroyer]
 
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* [http://english.battlefield.ru/tanks/14-experimental/63-russian-hetzer.html [Battlefield<nowiki>.ru]</nowiki> Russian 'Hetzer']
A great Russian webpage (also in English) avout WWII Russian tanks and their history: [http://english.battlefield.ru/tanks/14-experimental/63-russian-hetzer.html]
 
 
 
  
 
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Description

The SU-57B is a rank II Russian tank destroyer with a battle rating of 2.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea".

This tank destroyer uses a 57 mm ZIS-4 for its main gun. It features a low profile, good top speed (40 km/h in RB) and great penetration for its rank, but weak armour on all angles. It is the first rank destroyer available at rank III for the Soviets available.

The overall design of the SU-57B allows for sneaky attacks, revolving around the 57 mm ZiS-4 gun that allows for engagement from medium range on unsuspecting enemies. Because of its low profile, this TD can use bushes and terrain to hide its approach. However, the trade-off is lackluster mobility, so it compares with the ZiS-30 that provides better mobility and speed and can reposition much faster. Despite all these limitations, when played right the SU-57B can score good scores, but only when properly positioned and not detected.

General info

Survivability and armour

The SU-57B has the best armour on the front (25mm), weaker armour on the sides (16mm) and weak on the rear (16mm). Regarding the crew protection, because of the number of crew members (4), the loss of 1 or 2 crew members is acceptable. But due to the thin armour (25mm front, 16mm sides and rear), the SU-57B can take one or two shots maximum before being put out of order. It is much better protected than the ZiS-30 and can sustain MG fire.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 25 mm (38°) Front glacis
25 mm (24°) Lower glacis
25 mm (0-90°) Gun mantlet
25 mm (37°) Cheeks
16 mm (0-32°) 16 mm (40°) Top
10 mm (45°) Bottom
10 mm (72-85°)
5 mm (72°) Grille
  • Belly armour is 6 mm thick.
  • Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick.

Mobility

The SU-57B is sluggish at backwards speed and will have a hard time countering an opponent attempting to flank the SU-57B. The best bet is to flee when spotted. Fortunately, thanks to its great forward speed (43 km/h maximum), the SU-57B can still move quite easily.

Mobility characteristic
Weight (tons) Add-on Armour
weight (tons)
Max speed (km/h)
9.5 N/A 43 (AB)
40 (RB/SB)
Engine power (horsepower)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 148 164.4
Realistic/Simulator 92 98
Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade
Realistic/Simulator

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: ZiS-4 (57 mm)

The main gun is ridiculously powerful for its hull. It features a ZIS-4 57mm that has a penetration rate similar to the ZiS-30 main gun. The position of the main gun is quite low and enemies will have a hard time detecting the silhouette of the tank. However, because of its long barrel, one must be careful not to stand out from cover or from the sides.

The recoil of the gun can be important and must be taken care of, as well as the dispersion effect. The relatively fast reloading rate of 6.5 seconds allows for a comfortable targeting and efficiency. Though, with the SU-57B able to hold a total of 72 rounds of ammunition, the SU-57B can shoot more freely without worry. However, keep in mind the 6.5 seconds initial reload time can be quite long when facing an opponent at close range.

57 mm ZiS-4
Capacity Vertical
guidance
Horizontal
guidance
Stabilizer
72 -5°/+14° ±30° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade 4.2 __.__ __.__ __.__
Realistic 4.2 4.95 __.__ __.__ __.__
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
6.50

Usage in battles

The SU-57B is purely a tank hunter. With its 57mm ZIS-4 gun, and at a BR of 3.3, it can easily pierce almost any opponent in the game. Because of its weak armour, it is not capable of engaging too close and had to stay at a medium to long range.

Its APHEBC initial ammunition is effective at piercing enemy armour, but the next ammo modification is even better with the APHE round (BR-271K).

It also features a HE round that can be unlocked later, but it is preferable to stick with BR-271 or BR-217K rounds as they offer up to 142 mm of penetration which is excellent for its use and BR.

While in a tank hunter role, the SU-57B should take up a fighting style akin to a sniper, taking advantage of its very low profile (still not as good as the ASU-57, but almost). It excels at shooting from high vantage points or from the sides, but must be repositioned after each shot to avoid return fire.

With only 25 mm frontal armour at best and 16mm on the side and virtually none on the rear, a single shot would be fatal and leave the crew disabled at best. It is even susceptible to heavy MG fire from the sides and rear.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Great forward speed
  • Great 57mm ZIS-4 main gun
  • Very low profile ideal for sneak attacks and sniper attacks, similar to ASU-57
  • Good reload time (6.5 seconds)

Cons:

  • Sluggish acceleration
  • Very weak rear speed
  • Poor side mobility, don't expect to be able to turn around quickly
  • Weak armour (25/16/16) and susceptible to rear and side shots or even Heavy MG

History

In 1943 the MVTU USSR design bureau proposed an 11 ton tank hunter prototype with two main gun variants:

  1. The 75mm S-1 main gun
  2. The 57 mm S-1-57 main gun

Both would be propelled with a diesel GMC-71 engine.

At the same moment, the GAZ design bureau was working on 2 designs. One named "GAZ-74b" which is the SU-57B with a long barrel, and an improved version with a 76 mm gun.The Su-57a was to be the tank hunter with the 76mm main gun. The Su-57B was not accepted for service because it was too costly pro produce and because of its newer diesel engine.

Later the GAZ-74d (SU-76d) would come out with a 76mm S-1 main gun and a frontal armor of 60mm. It will also be known later as "SU-80".

Media

SU-57B
SU-57B driving around Stalingrad

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


USSR tank destroyers
SU-76M  SU-76M · SU-76M (5th Gv.Kav.Corps) · SU-85A
SU-57B  SU-57B · SU-76D
T-34 Derivatives  SU-122 · SU-85 · SU-85M · SU-100 · SU-122P
Heavy Tank Derivatives  SU-100Y · ISU-122 · ISU-122S · SU-152 · ISU-152 · Object 268
SU-100P and Derivatives  SU-100P · Object 120
Wheeled  YaG-10 (29-K)
Airborne  ASU-57 · ASU-85
Rocket  BM-8-24 · BM-13N · BM-31-12
ATGM  IT-1 · Shturm-S · Object 775 · Khrizantema-S
Artillery  2S1 · 2S3M
Other  SU-5-1 · ZiS-30 · SU-122-54
USA  SU-57