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{{About
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| about = Soviet tank destroyer '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
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| and
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| usage = the SPGs with an enclosed superstructure
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| link-1 = SU-85
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| link-2 = SU-85M
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|market=SU-85A (USSR)
 
|market=SU-85A (USSR)
 
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. This vehicle was introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]] and offered as a reward during the [[wt:en/news/5962-special-festive-quest-en|2018 Festive Quest]] event.
 
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. This vehicle was introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]] and offered as a reward during the [[wt:en/news/5962-special-festive-quest-en|2018 Festive Quest]] event.
  
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== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 
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'''Armour type:'''
 
'''Armour type:'''
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* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, superstructure)
 
* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, superstructure)
  
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
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| Hull || 25 mm (59°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 25 mm (25-38°) ''Driver port'' <br> 30 mm (31°) ''Lower glacis'' || 15 mm || 15 mm <br> 4 mm ''Vent'' || 25 mm (31°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 7 mm ''Hull'' <br> 4 mm ''Engine access panel''
 
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| Superstructure || 25 mm (24°) ''Gun shield'' <br> 35 mm (cylindrical) ''Gun mantlet'' <br> 35 mm ''Gun mount'' || 10 mm (20°) || 10 mm <br> 6 mm ''Door''
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'''Notes:'''
 
'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick.
 
* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick.
 
* Belly armour is 7 mm thick.
 
* Belly armour is 7 mm thick.
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* There is an additional inner wall (10 mm thick) separating the driver compartment from the crew compartment.
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* There is an additional inner wall (10 mm thick) on the right side separating the radiator from the crew compartment.
  
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Like the [[SU-76M]] it derives from, the {PAGENAME}}'s armour leaves a lot to be desired. The chassis itself is loosely based off of the light tanks T-70 and T-80. As a result, the lower frontal plate is 30 mm RHA, the upper plate and front of the crew compartment is 25 mm RHA, and the gun mantlet is 35 mm. There is a relatively small additional armour plate (25 mm) that is welded onto the upper frontal plate in front of the engines to give them slightly better protection. The sides and rear are 15 mm (hull) and 10 mm (crew compartment), making this vehicle vulnerable to heavy machine gunfire. This vehicle is also open-topped, making it a prime target for fighters looking to strafe an easy kill. All in all, this vehicle is the embodiment of a "glass cannon", unable to defend itself from anything but perhaps a glancing blow.  
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Like the [[SU-76M]] it derives from, the {{PAGENAME}}'s armour leaves a lot to be desired. The chassis itself is loosely based off of the light tanks T-70 and T-80. As a result, the lower frontal plate is 30 mm RHA, the upper plate and front of the crew compartment is 25 mm RHA, and the gun mantlet is 35 mm. There is a relatively small additional armour plate (25 mm) that is welded onto the upper frontal plate in front of the engines to give them slightly better protection. The sides and rear are 15 mm (hull) and 10 mm (crew compartment), making this vehicle vulnerable to heavy machine gunfire. This vehicle is also open-topped, making it a prime target for fighters looking to strafe an easy kill. All in all, this vehicle is the embodiment of a "glass cannon", unable to defend itself from anything but perhaps a glancing blow.
  
 
At its battle rating where one of the most common ammunition type used is APHE or APCBC, this vehicle has abysmal survivability. In most cases, the armour is just thick enough to arm the fuse in these shells- With a large fuel tank, lots of ammunition, and a crew packed into such a tight space, it is likely the shell will do crippling damage or knock the tank out with a single hit.
 
At its battle rating where one of the most common ammunition type used is APHE or APCBC, this vehicle has abysmal survivability. In most cases, the armour is just thick enough to arm the fuse in these shells- With a large fuel tank, lots of ammunition, and a crew packed into such a tight space, it is likely the shell will do crippling damage or knock the tank out with a single hit.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
 
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{{tankMobility|abMinHp=199|rbMinHp=124}}
  
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The {{PAGENAME}}'s manoeuvrability is exactly what one might expect when the tank designers start with a light tank and add weight without increasing engine power- not amazing. It has two coupled 70 horsepower motors, giving it a combined output of 140 HP. Weighing in at 12.2 tons, it has a power to weight of almost 11.5 horsepower per ton. As it utilizes high-revving gasoline motors, the {{PAGENAME}} doesn't have nearly as much torque to help it move around had it been powered by diesel.  
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Based on the chassis of the SU-76M, the {{PAGENAME}} benefits from the same average mobility: it accelerates rather slowly but steadily and is able to reach a maximum speed of 43 km/h in a dozen of seconds. Braking happens quickly but the hull briefly wobbles afterwards, delaying your targeting process. The lack of neutral steering makes turning on the spot slow (3 km/h): make sure to build a little speed before turning and you'll turn much faster (10 km/h). The reverse speed is poor: it will not get you out of a dangerous situation quickly. The {{PAGENAME}} reaches 11 km/h when fording and 11 km/h when driving uphill. The tracks will grant you a decent mobility on hard terrain (solid ground, roads) but a slightly poorer mobility on soft terrain (mud, snow, sand). Light and medium obstacles (fences, posts, bushes and small trees) are not a problem but large obstacles (trees, concrete blocks and parked vehicles) will hinder your mobility: avoid them.
  
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Maximum speed forwards is an acceptable 40 km/h with four forward gears, and maximum speed in reverse is -5 km/h with a single reverse gear. Across flat off-road terrain, it cruises comfortably at 30-35 km/h.
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The {{PAGENAME}} has two coupled 70 horsepower motors, giving it a combined output of 140 HP. As it utilizes high-revving gasoline motors, it doesn't have nearly as much torque to move around compared to diesel engines.
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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{{Specs-Economy}}
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}
 
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{{main|D-5S (85 mm)}}
 
{{main|D-5S (85 mm)}}
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| rowspan="2" | 42 || rowspan="2" | -4°/+18° || rowspan="2" | ±8° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 6.2 || 8.5 || 10.4 || 11.5 || 12.2 || rowspan="2" | 9.62 || rowspan="2" | 8.51 || rowspan="2" | 7.84 || rowspan="2" | 7.40
 
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The {{PAGENAME}} has a powerful main gun which is the same cannon as the SU-85. In a battle at its rank, the {{PAGENAME}} can one-shot almost all enemy tanks and the reloading time is good but not exceptional (9.4 seconds). However, with crew training, the reloading can be enhanced to under 9 seconds, making the difference between life and death on the battlefield. In terms of ballistics, the gun is very accurate and doesn't drop too much. Under 1,000 meters, there will not be a need to compensate for the Earth curvature.
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The D-5S gun offers a very good penetration power at its battle rating. Its high muzzle velocity allows for pretty flat firing trajectories. The accuracy drop is noticeable from 1,200 m distance and becomes a handicap beyond 1,500 m. The gun has a very limited traverse on the horizontal axis. This can make the tracking of a target difficult as the gun quickly reaches a stop. You should take that constraint into account when positioning your hull at a firing spot. Furthermore, the rotation speed of the gun is slow compared to other tanks at the same rank or battle rating who can turn their gun in average 2 to 3 times faster than you do.. The elevation angle of the gun is good, allowing you to fire at an elevated position but the depression angle is poor, making it impossible to fire from behind a ridge. Lacking a stabilizer, the tank can't reliably fire on the move. The reload time of the gun is rather long but in line with other Soviet tanks equipped with a 85 mm cannon. The gun recoil is average for a Soviet vehicle and not important enough to throw your gun off target after firing, except when firing at targets beyond 1,500 m.
  
 
==== Ammunition ====
 
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The BR-365 APHE standard shell can pierce up to 143 mm of armour at 100 meters at 0°, which is more than enough to deal with the frontal armour of any opponent. The ultimate shell for this tank is the BR-365P APCR shell which can pierce 187 mm of armour at 100 meters (0°)! And with the explosive power of the O-365K HE shell will have devastating power over soft targets and lightly armoured vehicles.
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The available ammunition allows for engaging all types of targets:
  
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* '''BR-365K''': APHE; an armour-piercing shell with good penetration power and an explosive filler that will destroy any tank it penetrates.
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* '''BR-365A''': APHEBC; an armour-piercing shell with a reduced penetration power but a bigger explosive filler.
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* '''BR-365P''': APCR; a composite round with the best penetration power but no explosive filler and that will only penetrate flat vertical surfaces. It loses its advantage in penetration power beyond 1,000 m compared with conventional shells.
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* '''O-365K''': HE; a high-explosive shell useful for destroying open and lightly armoured vehicles.
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
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{{:D-5S (85 mm)/Ammunition|BR-365K, BR-365A, BR-365P, O-365K}}
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! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 
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| BR-365K || APHE || 148 || 143 || 126 || 106 || 90 || 77
 
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| BR-365A || APHEBC || 135 || 133 || 125 || 115 || 106 || 97
 
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| BR-365P || APCR || 195 || 187 || 154 || 120 || 94 || 74
 
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| O-365K || HE || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10
 
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| BR-365K || APHE || 792 || 9.2 || 1.2 || 14 || 73.92 || 47° || 60° || 65°
 
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| BR-365A || APHEBC || 792 || 9.2 || 1.2 || 14 || 164 || 48° || 63° || 71°
 
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| BR-365P || APCR || 1,050 || 4.99 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
 
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| O-365K || HE || 793 || 9.54 || 0.1 || 0.3 || 660 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 
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==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 
==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
 
[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
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== Usage in battles ==
 
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In Tank realistic battles, this vehicle plays best from the sidelines in a support role. It does not possess the speed to rush anywhere, even if it is not slow. It does not have the ability to take a hit without enduring crippling damage. It can hide behind walls and relatively low cover and remain hidden where a taller light or medium tank would likely be spotted. Its gun is superior to other guns at its BR range, such as American short 75 and 76 mm guns commonly found on Shermans and German 75 mm guns found on Panzer IV's. As such, the SU-85A can typically penetrate most tanks it battles against through their frontal armour out to distances in excess of a kilometre.
 
  
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In realistic battles, this vehicle plays best from the sidelines in a support role. It does not possess the speed to rush anywhere, even if it is not slow. It does not have the ability to take a hit without enduring crippling damage. It can hide behind walls and relatively low cover and remain hidden where a taller light or medium tank would likely be spotted. Its gun is superior to other guns at its BR range, such as American short 75 and 76 mm guns commonly found on Shermans and German 75 mm guns found on Panzer IV's. As such, the SU-85A can typically penetrate most tanks it battles against through their frontal armour out to distances in excess of a kilometre.
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Powerful 85mm D5-S cannon at a low rank
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* 85 mm D5-S cannon is powerful against common tanks like [[M4A2]], [[Cromwell V|Cromwell]], [[Pz.IV G|Pz.IV]]
 
* Relatively small target / low silhouette
 
* Relatively small target / low silhouette
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* Great choices of ammunition to deal with all opponents
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* Great variety of ammunition to deal with all types of opponents
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
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* Armor is not thick enough to protect the crew from much of anything, making the vehicle a "glass cannon".
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* Armour is not thick enough to protect the crew from much of anything, making the vehicle a "glass cannon".
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* Open-topped (Often strafed by planes)
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* Open-topped (often strafed by planes)
 
* Crew is grouped tightly together - A penetrating shot that does not result in ammunition or fuel detonation will likely incapacitate several crew members.
 
* Crew is grouped tightly together - A penetrating shot that does not result in ammunition or fuel detonation will likely incapacitate several crew members.
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* ±8° horizontal gun traverse limit means that it might have to constantly adjust the hull, revealing itself
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* Low reverse speed
  
 
== History ==
 
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While working to develop an SPG that could vie with the most modern German tanks, the designers in the GAZ design bureau came up with a simple plan: take the SU-76M, the production of which had already been mastered, and create a new, more powerful weapon based on it. The project was developed with two 85 mm cannons, the D-5S and the S-53S. The version with the D-5S ended up being built for testing purposes, and the vehicle came to be called the SU-85A. During testing it became clear that the recoil of the powerful cannon was too great for a light SPG, which led the engineers to install a new gun and upgrade the defensive characteristics of their creation. However, by 1945 the modernized vehicle known as the SU-85B had become decidedly out of date, and the military decided to cancel the project.
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''- From [[wt:en/news/5964-development-su-85a-premium-spg-en|Devblog]]''
  
 
== Media ==
 
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{{Youtube-gallery|NpbRZ-Z56AQ|'''Keep it or Sell it? {{PAGENAME}} Event Tank''' - ''Virus''|XTl06UP8wZ8|'''{{PAGENAME}}; Is it worth it?''' - ''Many Miles Away''|exXJEChm53c|'''{{PAGENAME}} - The Ugly with the 85 mm''' - ''Napalmratte''}}
  
 
== See also ==
 
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* [[SU-76M]] / [[SU-76M (China)]] / [[SU-76M (5th Gv.Kav.Corps)]]
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* [[90/53 M41M]]
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* [[Pvkv m/43 (1946)]]
  
 
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{{TankManufacturer GAZ}}
 
{{USSR tank destroyers}}
 
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Latest revision as of 21:35, 28 January 2023

This page is about the Soviet tank destroyer SU-85A. For the SPGs with an enclosed superstructure, see SU-85 and SU-85M.
SU-85A
ussr_su_85a.png
GarageImage SU-85A.jpg
ArtImage SU-85A.png
SU-85A
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II Rank
Battle rating:
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4.0 4.0 4.0
Class:
PREMIUM
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Description

The SU-85A is a premium gift rank II Soviet tank destroyer with a battle rating of 4.0 (AB/RB/SB). This vehicle was introduced in Update 1.85 "Supersonic" and offered as a reward during the 2018 Festive Quest event.

This tank destroyer was created for testing at the end of 1943, as a potential successor of the SU-76M. The most notable difference was the replacement of the older 76 mm gun with an adapted version of an 85 mm anti-aircraft cannon. Ultimately the vehicle was not accepted for anything beyond testing due to poor mechanical performance.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Hull25 / 15 / 15
Turret25 / 10 / 10
Crew4 people
Visibility75 %

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, superstructure)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 25 mm (59°) Upper glacis
25 mm (25-38°) Driver port
30 mm (31°) Lower glacis 		15 mm 15 mm
4 mm Vent 		25 mm (31°) Front glacis
7 mm Hull
4 mm Engine access panel
Superstructure 25 mm (24°) Gun shield
35 mm (cylindrical) Gun mantlet
35 mm Gun mount 		10 mm (20°) 10 mm
6 mm Door

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 7 mm thick.
  • There is an additional inner wall (10 mm thick) separating the driver compartment from the crew compartment.
  • There is an additional inner wall (10 mm thick) on the right side separating the radiator from the crew compartment.

Like the SU-76M it derives from, the SU-85A's armour leaves a lot to be desired. The chassis itself is loosely based off of the light tanks T-70 and T-80. As a result, the lower frontal plate is 30 mm RHA, the upper plate and front of the crew compartment is 25 mm RHA, and the gun mantlet is 35 mm. There is a relatively small additional armour plate (25 mm) that is welded onto the upper frontal plate in front of the engines to give them slightly better protection. The sides and rear are 15 mm (hull) and 10 mm (crew compartment), making this vehicle vulnerable to heavy machine gunfire. This vehicle is also open-topped, making it a prime target for fighters looking to strafe an easy kill. All in all, this vehicle is the embodiment of a "glass cannon", unable to defend itself from anything but perhaps a glancing blow.

At its battle rating where one of the most common ammunition type used is APHE or APCBC, this vehicle has abysmal survivability. In most cases, the armour is just thick enough to arm the fuse in these shells- With a large fuel tank, lots of ammunition, and a crew packed into such a tight space, it is likely the shell will do crippling damage or knock the tank out with a single hit.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB44 / 6 km/h
RB and SB41 / 6 km/h
Number of gears4 forward
1 back
Weight12.2 t
Engine power
AB267 hp
RB and SB140 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB21.9 hp/t
RB and SB11.5 hp/t
Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 44 6 12.2 199 267 16.31 21.89
Realistic 41 6 124 140 10.16 11.48

Based on the chassis of the SU-76M, the SU-85A benefits from the same average mobility: it accelerates rather slowly but steadily and is able to reach a maximum speed of 43 km/h in a dozen of seconds. Braking happens quickly but the hull briefly wobbles afterwards, delaying your targeting process. The lack of neutral steering makes turning on the spot slow (3 km/h): make sure to build a little speed before turning and you'll turn much faster (10 km/h). The reverse speed is poor: it will not get you out of a dangerous situation quickly. The SU-85A reaches 11 km/h when fording and 11 km/h when driving uphill. The tracks will grant you a decent mobility on hard terrain (solid ground, roads) but a slightly poorer mobility on soft terrain (mud, snow, sand). Light and medium obstacles (fences, posts, bushes and small trees) are not a problem but large obstacles (trees, concrete blocks and parked vehicles) will hinder your mobility: avoid them.

The SU-85A has two coupled 70 horsepower motors, giving it a combined output of 140 HP. As it utilizes high-revving gasoline motors, it doesn't have nearly as much torque to move around compared to diesel engines.

Modifications and economy

Repair cost
AB794 Sl icon.png
RB950 Sl icon.png
SB1 040 Sl icon.png
Crew training10 000 Sl icon.png
Experts115 000 Sl icon.png
Aces400 Ge icon.png
Research Aces640 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
Talisman.png 2 × 80 / 120 / 150 % Sl icon.png
Talisman.png 2 × 142 / 142 / 142 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
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Tracks
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Suspension
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Brake System
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Filters
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Transmission
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Engine
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Improved Parts
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Improved FPE
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Crew Replenishment
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Horizontal Drive
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85mm_APHE_ammo_pack
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Adjustment of Fire
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Elevation Mechanism
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85mm_APCR_ammo_pack

Armaments

Main armament

85 mm D-5S cannon
Ammunition42 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
9.6 → 7.4 s
Vertical guidance-4° / 18°
Horizontal guidance-8° / 8°
Main article: D-5S (85 mm)
85 mm D-5S Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 42 -4°/+18° ±8° N/A 6.2 8.5 10.4 11.5 12.2 9.62 8.51 7.84 7.40
Realistic 4.2 4.9 6.0 6.6 7.0

The D-5S gun offers a very good penetration power at its battle rating. Its high muzzle velocity allows for pretty flat firing trajectories. The accuracy drop is noticeable from 1,200 m distance and becomes a handicap beyond 1,500 m. The gun has a very limited traverse on the horizontal axis. This can make the tracking of a target difficult as the gun quickly reaches a stop. You should take that constraint into account when positioning your hull at a firing spot. Furthermore, the rotation speed of the gun is slow compared to other tanks at the same rank or battle rating who can turn their gun in average 2 to 3 times faster than you do.. The elevation angle of the gun is good, allowing you to fire at an elevated position but the depression angle is poor, making it impossible to fire from behind a ridge. Lacking a stabilizer, the tank can't reliably fire on the move. The reload time of the gun is rather long but in line with other Soviet tanks equipped with a 85 mm cannon. The gun recoil is average for a Soviet vehicle and not important enough to throw your gun off target after firing, except when firing at targets beyond 1,500 m.

Ammunition

The available ammunition allows for engaging all types of targets:

  • BR-365K: APHE; an armour-piercing shell with good penetration power and an explosive filler that will destroy any tank it penetrates.
  • BR-365A: APHEBC; an armour-piercing shell with a reduced penetration power but a bigger explosive filler.
  • BR-365P: APCR; a composite round with the best penetration power but no explosive filler and that will only penetrate flat vertical surfaces. It loses its advantage in penetration power beyond 1,000 m compared with conventional shells.
  • O-365K: HE; a high-explosive shell useful for destroying open and lightly armoured vehicles.

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
BR-365K APHE 148 143 126 106 90 77
BR-365A APHEBC 135 133 124 114 104 95
BR-365P APCR 195 187 154 122 96 76
O-365K HE 19 18 17 16 15 14
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
BR-365K APHE 792 9.2 1.2 14 77 47° 60° 65°
BR-365A APHEBC 792 9.2 1.2 14 164 48° 63° 71°
BR-365P APCR 1,050 4.99 - - - 66° 70° 72°
O-365K HE 785 9.54 0.2 0.1 741 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the SU-85A
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
42 38 (+4) 31 (+11) 1 (+41) No

Notes:

  • Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
  • Open-topped compartment empty of ammo: 31 (+11).

Usage in battles

In realistic battles, this vehicle plays best from the sidelines in a support role. It does not possess the speed to rush anywhere, even if it is not slow. It does not have the ability to take a hit without enduring crippling damage. It can hide behind walls and relatively low cover and remain hidden where a taller light or medium tank would likely be spotted. Its gun is superior to other guns at its BR range, such as American short 75 and 76 mm guns commonly found on Shermans and German 75 mm guns found on Panzer IV's. As such, the SU-85A can typically penetrate most tanks it battles against through their frontal armour out to distances in excess of a kilometre.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • 85 mm D5-S cannon is powerful against common tanks like M4A2, Cromwell, Pz.IV
  • Relatively small target / low silhouette
  • Great variety of ammunition to deal with all types of opponents

Cons:

  • Armour is not thick enough to protect the crew from much of anything, making the vehicle a "glass cannon".
  • Open-topped (often strafed by planes)
  • Crew is grouped tightly together - A penetrating shot that does not result in ammunition or fuel detonation will likely incapacitate several crew members.
  • ±8° horizontal gun traverse limit means that it might have to constantly adjust the hull, revealing itself
  • Low reverse speed

History

While working to develop an SPG that could vie with the most modern German tanks, the designers in the GAZ design bureau came up with a simple plan: take the SU-76M, the production of which had already been mastered, and create a new, more powerful weapon based on it. The project was developed with two 85 mm cannons, the D-5S and the S-53S. The version with the D-5S ended up being built for testing purposes, and the vehicle came to be called the SU-85A. During testing it became clear that the recoil of the powerful cannon was too great for a light SPG, which led the engineers to install a new gun and upgrade the defensive characteristics of their creation. However, by 1945 the modernized vehicle known as the SU-85B had become decidedly out of date, and the military decided to cancel the project.

- From Devblog

Media

Skins
Videos
Keep it or Sell it? SU-85A Event Tank - Virus
SU-85A; Is it worth it? - Many Miles Away
SU-85A - The Ugly with the 85 mm - Napalmratte

See also

Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

External links


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