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The '''41M Turán II''' was a Hungarian {{Annotation|medium tank|Classified as a heavy tank in Hungary due to its cannon calibre}} that was designed as an improvement over the 40M Turán I. It had a new turret, more armour, and a new 75 mm gun that was based on an old 18M 8cm field gun, outsourced and modified by the Swedish company Bofors. The tank was built from 1942 to 1944, but due to delays in gun optics and ammunition, it only reached units in late 1943. The 41M Turán II saw action on the Eastern Front and in the defence of Hungary against the Soviet invasion. Although it was outmatched by the Soviet [[T-34 (Family)|T-34s]] and the German Allied [[Pz.IV (Family)|Pz.IVs]] with long 75 mm guns, it could still damage Soviet tanks within 500 m, which was better than its predecessors with only a 40 mm gun.
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The '''41M Turán II''' was a Hungarian {{Annotation|medium tank|Classified as a heavy tank in Hungary due to its cannon calibre}} that was designed as an improvement over the [[Turan I|40M Turán I]]. It had a new turret, more armour, and a new 75 mm gun that was based on an old 18M 8 cm field gun, outsourced and modified by the Swedish company Bofors. Around 195 Turán IIs were built from 1942 to 1944, but due to delays in gun optics and ammunition, it only reached units in September 1943. The 41M Turán II saw action on the Eastern Front and in the defence of Hungary against the Soviet invasion. Although it was outmatched by the Soviet [[T-34 (Family)|T-34s]] with their long 75 mm guns, it could still damage Soviet tanks within 500 m, which was better than its predecessor with only a 40 mm gun.
  
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It was introduced during [[Update "Winged Lions"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season VI, "Firepower"]]. The Turán II is a Hungarian tank that shares some features with Axis tanks, such as the [[LT-38 (Family)|Pz.35(t) / 38(t)]] from Czechoslovakia, which was the basis for its hull design. It has a short barrel gun that can fire powerful HEAT shells with a fast reload time, similar to the early [[Pz.IV (Family)|Pz.IVs]] from Germany or the [[Chi-Ha]] and [[Ho-I]] from Japan. It can perform well in close combat situations, thanks to its good mobility and side skirt armour that can act as spaced armour against weak HEAT and AP shells.
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The Turán II is a Hungarian tank in the Italian tech tree that was introduced during [[Update "Winged Lions"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season VI, "Firepower"]]. It has a short barrel 75 mm gun that can fire powerful HEAT shells with a short reload time, similar to the early [[Pz.IV (Family)|Pz.IVs]] from Germany or the [[Ho-I]] from Japan. The Turán II boasts good mobility, excellent reverse speed and adequate armour protection, making it a well-rounded medium tank worthy of it being sometimes referred to as "the Hungarian MBT". It can perform well in close combat situations thanks to its mobility, high rate of fire, and side skirt armour that can act as spaced armour against HEAT and HE shells.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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The Turan II shares many strengths and weaknesses with other Axis medium tanks at its Battle-Rating, most similarly the Pz.35(t) and Pz.38(t) family of vehicles, which historically it is closely related to.
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The Turan II shares many strengths and weaknesses with other Axis medium tanks at its Battle-Rating, and plays like its predecessor, the [[Turan I]], albeit with a gun similar to that of the German [[Pz.IV F1]].
  
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The Turan is a boxy vehicle, both the hull and turret are mostly made up of nearly vertical plates, frontal hull and turret armour is thickest at 50 mm. As previously noted, slight angling can increase the effective armour of the Turan. The mesh side skirts give added protection against HEAT rounds. However, the armour overall is average for the BR. Playing the Turan conservatively can maximize survivability as the armour can be defeated by many other vehicles at this BR. The crew of five helps survivability, but they are somewhat close together, and the shells are placed all throughout the tank, including the turret, increasing the chances of getting ammo racked.
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The Turan II is a boxy vehicle, both the hull and the turret are mostly made up of nearly vertical armour plates. It has mesh side skirts on the hull and the turret, which provide added protection against HEAT and HE rounds. The frontal hull and turret armour is thickest at 50 mm, with the sides and rear being weaker with 25+8 mm of armour. As previously noted, slight angling can increase the effective armour of the Turan II. Playing the Turan II conservatively can maximize survivability as the armour is average for the BR and can be defeated by many other vehicles at this BR. The crew of five helps survivability, but they are somewhat close together, and the shells are placed all throughout the tank, including the turret, increasing the chances of getting ammo racked.
  
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The Turan has deceptively good mobility for a tank of its size and armament. It has a decent acceleration and top speed, and a great reverse speed. The hull and turret traverse are both average. Using the Turan's mobility to find good flanking locations pairs well with its relatively quick reload and good gun depression. The 75 mm cannon has a lower velocity and three different shells. The HEAT shell is clearly the superior round with up to 90 mm of penetration at any range. The APHE can inflict more post-pen damage but at the cost of a drastic drop in penetration, less than half that of the HEAT round. The HE round doesn't have many practical uses, as the HEAT round often is sufficient to overpressure certain vehicles.
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The Turan II has deceptively good mobility for a tank of its size and armament. It has a decent acceleration and top speed, and a great reverse speed. The hull and turret traverse are both average. Using the Turan II's mobility to find good flanking locations pairs well with its relatively quick reload and good gun depression. The 75 mm cannon has a low velocity and three different shells. The HEAT shell is clearly the superior round with up to 90 mm of penetration at any range. The APHE can inflict more post-pen damage, but at the cost of a drastic drop in penetration, less than half that of the HEAT round. The HE round doesn't have many practical uses, as the HEAT round often is sufficient to overpressure certain vehicles.
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A decent acceleration and top speed, and a great reverse speed. Hull and turret traverse are average. Using the Turan's mobility to find good flanking spots pairs well with its fast reload and good gun depression.
 
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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* Short reload time
 
* Short reload time
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* Good gun depression
 
* Fairly mobile for its size and weight
 
* Fairly mobile for its size and weight
 
* Quick and responsive reverse of -43 km/h
 
* Quick and responsive reverse of -43 km/h
 
* Can bounce shots with a bit of angling
 
* Can bounce shots with a bit of angling
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* Has smoke grenades
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
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* Struggles in an uptier
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* May struggle in an uptier
 
* Large profile
 
* Large profile
 
* Cramped turret, a penetrating shot often takes out the whole crew
 
* Cramped turret, a penetrating shot often takes out the whole crew
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=== [[wt:en/news/7524-development-battle-pass-vehicles-41-m-turán-ii-en|Devblog]] ===
 
=== [[wt:en/news/7524-development-battle-pass-vehicles-41-m-turán-ii-en|Devblog]] ===
 
[[File:Turan II History.png|thumb|Turan II during tests]]
 
[[File:Turan II History.png|thumb|Turan II during tests]]
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At the beginning of the 1940s, the Hungarian military decided to develop its own medium tank on the basis of the recently developed Czechoslovakian T-21 medium tank prototype. After one test unit successfully passed initial trials in Hungary, several changes were made to the design, including the fitting of a Hungarian 40 mm cannon as well as increased armour protection. The resulting T-22 design would then be officially accepted into Hungarian service as the 40.M Turán in November 1940.
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At the beginning of the 1940s, the Hungarian military decided to develop its own medium tank on the basis of the recently developed Czechoslovakian T-21 medium tank prototype. After one test unit successfully passed initial trials in Hungary, several changes were made to the design, including the fitting of a Hungarian 40 mm cannon as well as increased armour protection. The resulting T-22 design would then be officially accepted into Hungarian service as the 40.M Turán ([[Turan I|Turán I]]) in November 1940.
 
[[File:Turan II History II.png|thumb|Turan II tanks before battle]]
 
[[File:Turan II History II.png|thumb|Turan II tanks before battle]]
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An initial order of 230 Turán Is was issued in September 1940, but production ended up being delayed by several months due to incomplete technical documentation. Production started only in March 1941 after Škoda supplied the complete technical documents, with the first 40.M Turán I rolling off the assembly line in July 1941. However, before even the first vehicle was constructed, the Hungarian General Staff realized the need for upgrading the vehicle and thus formulated the specification to upgun the Turán with a 75mm gun. However, as no such gun could be developed by Hungary at the time, a WW1 field gun was selected to be modified for tank use.
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An initial order of 230 Turán Is was issued in September 1940, but production ended up being delayed by several months due to incomplete technical documentation. Production started only in March 1941 after Škoda supplied the complete technical documents, with the first 40.M Turán I rolling off the assembly line in July 1941. However, before even the first vehicle was constructed, the Hungarian General Staff realized the need for upgrading the vehicle and thus formulated the specification to upgun the Turán with a 75 mm gun. However, as no such gun could be developed by Hungary at the time, a WW1 field gun was selected to be modified for tank use.
  
 
This undertaking was successful, though it required the Turán's turret to be enlarged slightly. The first prototype of this modification, which became known as the 41.M Turán II, was built in January 1942 and entered service in May. In total, around 195 Turán IIs were constructed until 1944. Today, only a single example of the Turán II survives and is on display in the Kubinka Tank Museum in the vicinity of Moscow.
 
This undertaking was successful, though it required the Turán's turret to be enlarged slightly. The first prototype of this modification, which became known as the 41.M Turán II, was built in January 1942 and entered service in May. In total, around 195 Turán IIs were constructed until 1944. Today, only a single example of the Turán II survives and is on display in the Kubinka Tank Museum in the vicinity of Moscow.
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* [[Turan (Family)|Turán (Family)]]
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* [[Pz.III N (Italy)]]
 
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Latest revision as of 21:47, 29 December 2023

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This page is about the premium Italian medium tank Turan II. For other versions, see Turan (Family).
Turan II
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Turan II
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Description

The 41M Turán II was a Hungarian medium tank that was designed as an improvement over the 40M Turán I. It had a new turret, more armour, and a new 75 mm gun that was based on an old 18M 8 cm field gun, outsourced and modified by the Swedish company Bofors. Around 195 Turán IIs were built from 1942 to 1944, but due to delays in gun optics and ammunition, it only reached units in September 1943. The 41M Turán II saw action on the Eastern Front and in the defence of Hungary against the Soviet invasion. Although it was outmatched by the Soviet T-34s with their long 75 mm guns, it could still damage Soviet tanks within 500 m, which was better than its predecessor with only a 40 mm gun.

The Turán II is a Hungarian tank in the Italian tech tree that was introduced during Update "Winged Lions" as a reward for Battle Pass: Season VI, "Firepower". It has a short barrel 75 mm gun that can fire powerful HEAT shells with a short reload time, similar to the early Pz.IVs from Germany or the Ho-I from Japan. The Turán II boasts good mobility, excellent reverse speed and adequate armour protection, making it a well-rounded medium tank worthy of it being sometimes referred to as "the Hungarian MBT". It can perform well in close combat situations thanks to its mobility, high rate of fire, and side skirt armour that can act as spaced armour against HEAT and HE shells.

General info

Survivability and armour

Smoke grenades
Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle
Armourfront / side / back
Hull15 / 25 / 25
Turret50 / 25 / 25
Crew5 people
Visibility72 %

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
  • Cast homogeneous armour (Hull and Turret MG ports)
  • Structural steel (Side Skirts)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 50 mm (18°) Upper plate
25 mm (18°) Driver port
13 mm (75°) Upper glacis
15+35 mm (30°) Lower plate
15+35 mm (50°) Lower glacis 		25 mm (10-16°) + 8 mm Top
25+8 mm Bottom 		25 mm Upper plate
25 mm (46°) Lower glacis 		13 mm (15°) Front glacis
13 mm Crew and engine compartments
10 mm Engine vent
13 mm (73°) Transmission compartment
Turret 50 mm (10°) Turret front
25 mm Gun mantlet 		25 (10°) + 8 (11°) mm 25+8 mm 25 mm Front
13 mm Rear
Cupola 25 mm (71°) 25 mm (10°) 25 mm (12°) 25 mm (19°) Front
13 mm Rear

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels and tracks are both 15 mm thick.
  • The hull sides and turret sides and rear are protected by an extra 8 mm plate to provide protection from HEAT and HE shells.
  • The front right side of the turret has one set of tracks acting as add-on armour with a thickness of 15 mm.
  • Angling the tank to roughly 37-38° increases the armour of the front plate to 63 mm, however due to the armour arrangement, this allows a section of the side armour to have 30 mm of protection, leaving it vulnerable to most shells from opponents at its battle rating.

Mobility

Reverse gearbox
Forward and backward movement is possible at the same maximum speed
Speedforward / back
AB48 / 48 km/h
RB and SB44 / 44 km/h
Number of gears6 forward
6 back
Weight19.8 t
Engine power
AB496 hp
RB and SB260 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB25.1 hp/t
RB and SB13.1 hp/t
Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 48 48 19.8 403 496 20.35 25.05
Realistic 44 44 230 260 11.62 13.13

Modifications and economy

Repair cost
AB857 Sl icon.png
RB301 Sl icon.png
SB1 032 Sl icon.png
Crew training2 300 Sl icon.png
Experts15 000 Sl icon.png
Aces115 Ge icon.png
Research Aces320 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
Talisman.png 2 × 40 / 40 / 60 % Sl icon.png
Talisman.png 2 × 112 / 112 / 112 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
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Tracks
Mods new tank suspension.png
Suspension
Mods new tank break.png
Brake System
Mods new tank filter.png
Filters
Mods new tank transmission.png
Transmission
Mods new tank engine.png
Engine
Mods tank tool kit.png
Improved Parts
Mods extinguisher.png
Improved FPE
Mods tank reinforcement it.png
Crew Replenishment
Mods smoke screen.png
Smoke grenade
Mods new tank horizontal aiming.png
Horizontal Drive
Mods tank cannon.png
Adjustment of Fire
Mods new tank vertical aiming.png
Elevation Mechanism
Mods tank ammo.png
75mm_hung_HEAT_ammo_pack
Mods art support.png
Artillery Support

Armaments

Main armament

75 mm 41.M cannon
Ammunition52 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
4.3 → 3.3 s
Vertical guidance-10° / 20°
Main article: 41.M (75 mm)
75 mm 41.M Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 52 -10°/+20° ±180° N/A 14.3 19.8 24.0 26.5 28.2 4.29 3.80 3.50 3.30
Realistic 8.9 10.5 12.8 14.1 15.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
42/36.M APHEBC 72 70 61 51 44 37
42/38.M HE 7 7 7 7 7 7
42.M HEAT 90 90 90 90 90 90
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
42/36.M APHEBC 535 5.7 1.2 14 102.4 48° 63° 71°
42/38.M HE 450 5.2 0.2 0.1 400 79° 80° 81°
42.M HEAT 450 4.8 0.05 0.1 875.5 62° 69° 73°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Turan II
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		7th
rack empty 		8th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
52 47 (+5) 41 (+11) 35 (+17) 29 (+23) 23 (+29) 17 (+35) 11 (+41) 1 (+51) No

Notes:

  • As they are modeled by sets of 2, shells disappear from the rack only after you've fired both shells in the set.
  • Turret empty: 23 (+29) shells.

Machine guns

8 mm 34/40M machine gun (coaxial)
Ammunition3 200 rounds
Belt capacity100 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
10.4 → 8.0 s
Fire rate900 shots/min
Main article: 34/40M (8 mm)
8 mm 34/40M
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Coaxial 3,200 (100) 900 N/A N/A

Usage in battles

The Turan II shares many strengths and weaknesses with other Axis medium tanks at its Battle-Rating, and plays like its predecessor, the Turan I, albeit with a gun similar to that of the German Pz.IV F1.

The Turan II is a boxy vehicle, both the hull and the turret are mostly made up of nearly vertical armour plates. It has mesh side skirts on the hull and the turret, which provide added protection against HEAT and HE rounds. The frontal hull and turret armour is thickest at 50 mm, with the sides and rear being weaker with 25+8 mm of armour. As previously noted, slight angling can increase the effective armour of the Turan II. Playing the Turan II conservatively can maximize survivability as the armour is average for the BR and can be defeated by many other vehicles at this BR. The crew of five helps survivability, but they are somewhat close together, and the shells are placed all throughout the tank, including the turret, increasing the chances of getting ammo racked.

The Turan II has deceptively good mobility for a tank of its size and armament. It has a decent acceleration and top speed, and a great reverse speed. The hull and turret traverse are both average. Using the Turan II's mobility to find good flanking locations pairs well with its relatively quick reload and good gun depression. The 75 mm cannon has a low velocity and three different shells. The HEAT shell is clearly the superior round with up to 90 mm of penetration at any range. The APHE can inflict more post-pen damage, but at the cost of a drastic drop in penetration, less than half that of the HEAT round. The HE round doesn't have many practical uses, as the HEAT round often is sufficient to overpressure certain vehicles.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Short reload time
  • Good gun depression
  • Fairly mobile for its size and weight
  • Quick and responsive reverse of -43 km/h
  • Can bounce shots with a bit of angling
  • Has smoke grenades

Cons:

  • May struggle in an uptier
  • Large profile
  • Cramped turret, a penetrating shot often takes out the whole crew
  • Littered with ammunition
  • Angling too much presents a flat target for the enemy to shoot at, due to the shape of the hull
  • Slow turret traverse

History

Devblog

Turan II during tests

At the beginning of the 1940s, the Hungarian military decided to develop its own medium tank on the basis of the recently developed Czechoslovakian T-21 medium tank prototype. After one test unit successfully passed initial trials in Hungary, several changes were made to the design, including the fitting of a Hungarian 40 mm cannon as well as increased armour protection. The resulting T-22 design would then be officially accepted into Hungarian service as the 40.M Turán (Turán I) in November 1940.

Turan II tanks before battle

An initial order of 230 Turán Is was issued in September 1940, but production ended up being delayed by several months due to incomplete technical documentation. Production started only in March 1941 after Škoda supplied the complete technical documents, with the first 40.M Turán I rolling off the assembly line in July 1941. However, before even the first vehicle was constructed, the Hungarian General Staff realized the need for upgrading the vehicle and thus formulated the specification to upgun the Turán with a 75 mm gun. However, as no such gun could be developed by Hungary at the time, a WW1 field gun was selected to be modified for tank use.

This undertaking was successful, though it required the Turán's turret to be enlarged slightly. The first prototype of this modification, which became known as the 41.M Turán II, was built in January 1942 and entered service in May. In total, around 195 Turán IIs were constructed until 1944. Today, only a single example of the Turán II survives and is on display in the Kubinka Tank Museum in the vicinity of Moscow.

Media

Skins
Videos
Battle Pass: Firepower discusses the Turan II at 00:38 - War Thunder Official Channel

See also

Related development

Other Hungarian vehicles

Similar vehicles

External links


Italy medium tanks
  Italy
M13/40  M13/40 (I) · M13/40 (II) · M13/40 (III)
M14/41  M14/41 · M14/41 (47/40)
M15/42  M15/42
M16/43  Celere Sahariano
P26/40  P40 · P40 "G.C. Leoncello"
OF-40  OF-40 · OF-40 Mk.2A · OF-40 (MTCA)
Ariete  Ariete (P) · Ariete · Ariete PSO · Ariete AMV
Germany  ▄Pz.III N · ▄Pz.IV G · ▄Leopard 1A5
Allied powers  ▄Sherman I Composito · Sherman Ic · ▄Sherman Vc · ▄Sherman V · M26 "D.C.Ariete" · M26A1 · M47 (105/55) · M60A1 "D.C.Ariete"
  Hungary
Turán  Turan I · Turan II · Turan III
Germany  ◔Leopard 2A4 · Leopard 2A7HU
USSR  ◔T-72M1

Italy premium ground vehicles
Light tanks  L6/40 (31 Rgt.) · Toldi IIA · AUBL/74 HVG · VRCC · Centauro RGO
Medium tanks  M13/40 (II) · Turan II · M14/41 (47/40) · Celere Sahariano · P40 "G.C. Leoncello" · ▄Sherman I Composito · ▄Pz.IV G
  M26 "D.C.Ariete" · M60A1 "D.C.Ariete" · OF-40 (MTCA)
Heavy tanks  Tigris
Tank destroyers  Breda 90/53 · M43 "G.C.Leoncello" · Zrinyi I

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