Sherman Vc (Italy)

This page is about the medium tank Sherman Vc (Italy). For other versions, see M4 Sherman (Family).

▄Sherman Vc

Sherman Ic

M26A1

▄Sherman Vc

Sherman Ic

M26A1

Italy

IV Rank

Battle rating:

AB	RB	SB
5.0	5.0	5.0

Class:

Medium tank

Research:46 000

Purchase:155 000

Description

The M4A4 Sherman VC Firefly is an up-gunned modification of the M4A4, which is the fifth variant of the early-generation Medium Tank M4 (Sherman) family. Armed with the powerful 76 mm Ordnance QF 17-pounder tank gun, this stopgap combination (before the introduction of the new generation of Allied tanks) was one of the most lethal tanks of its day, adding weight to the Allied battle to gain victory. Following Italy's rebuilding in 1945, some M4A4 Sherman VC Firefly variants were transferred to the country. In 1946, a minor military command was established for territory defence, and the unit received numerous other M4 Sherman variants. They served as the foundation for the first post-war tanker training school in Italy. In 1952, all M4 Sherman variants were officially decommissioned.

Introduced in Update "Starfighters", the M4A4 Sherman VC Firefly in the Italian Army ground forces is similar to the British counterpart, as they were provided by the British Army after World War II to aid in the reconstruction of Italy and the establishment of a territory defence force. The M4A4 Sherman VC Firefly, armed with the renowned 76 mm Ordnance QF 17-pounder tank gun, will provide players with the first significant boost in firepower compared to the early variants of the M4 Sherman within the Italian Army ground forces, which were mounted with the 75 mm M3 tank gun. The M4A4 Sherman VC Firefly will be the main backbone of Italian Army ground forces for a long time, thanks to the availability of armour-piercing discarding sabot (APDS) ammunition that will bring its firepower up to level with more advanced adversaries.

General info

Survivability and armour

Smoke grenades

Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle

Armourfront / side / back

Hull51 / 38 / 38

Turret76 / 51 / 51

Crew4 people

Visibility108 %

Armour type:

• Rolled homogeneous armour (Hull)
• Cast homogeneous armour (Transmission area, Turret)

Armour	Front	Sides	Rear	Roof
Hull	50.8 mm (55°) Front glacis 50.8 mm (7°) Driver's port 50.8 mm (1-53°) Transmission area	38.1 mm	38.1 mm (22-23°) Top 38.1 mm (1°) Bottom	19.5 mm 12.7 mm Engine deck
Turret	76.2 mm (8-44°) Turret roof 50.8 + 88.9 mm (1-54°) Gun mantlet	50.8 mm (2-38°)	50.8 mm (2-67°) Turret rear 50.8 mm (1°) Radio box	25.4 mm
Cupola	50.8 mm	50.8 mm	50.8 mm	25.4 mm

Notes:

• Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick, bogies are 10 mm thick, and tracks are 20 mm thick.
• Belly armour is 12.7 mm thick.
• The bow machine gun area has been welded shut with armour, but is only 25.4 mm thick so may present a viable weakness to weaker enemies.
• Unlike the armour on the American Rank III Shermans which saw itself upped from 50.8 mm to 63.5 mm, the British Firefly in Rank III retains the old 50.8 mm base armour thickness on the front hull, as well as the protruding driver and co-driver hatches in front. This makes the Firefly a much more vulnerable Sherman tank than even the American versions, a trade-off for its more powerful armament.

Mobility

Speedforward / back

AB45 / 6 km/h

RB and SB41 / 5 km/h

Number of gears5 forward

1 back

Weight35.3 t

Engine power

AB811 hp

RB and SB425 hp

Power-to-weight ratio

AB23.0 hp/t

RB and SB12.0 hp/t

Game Mode	Max Speed (km/h)		Weight (tons)	Engine power (horsepower)		Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
	Forward	Reverse		Stock	Upgraded	Stock	Upgraded
Arcade	45	6	35.3	659	811	18.67	22.97
Realistic	41	5		376	425	10.65	12.04

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB2 047 → 2 769

RB2 398 → 3 244

SB3 014 → 4 077

Total cost of modifications40 000

77 300

Talisman cost1 400

Crew training45 000

Experts155 000

Aces630

Research Aces440 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

90 / 150 / 170 %

160 / 160 / 160 %

Modifications

Mobility	Protection	Firepower
Tracks Research: 2 000 Cost: 3 900 145 Suspension Research: 1 800 Cost: 3 500 130 Brake System Research: 1 800 Cost: 3 500 130 Filters Research: 2 500 Cost: 4 800 185 Transmission Research: 2 600 Cost: 5 000 190 Engine Research: 2 600 Cost: 5 000 190	Improved Parts Research: 2 000 Cost: 3 900 145 Improved FPE Research: 1 800 Cost: 3 500 130 Crew Replenishment Research: 2 500 Cost: 4 800 185	76mm_britain_17pdr_APC_ammo_pack Research: 2 000 Cost: 3 900 145 Horizontal Drive Research: 2 000 Cost: 3 900 145 76mm_britain_17pdr_APCBC_ammo_pack Research: 1 800 Cost: 3 500 130 Adjustment of Fire Research: 1 800 Cost: 3 500 130 76mm_britain_17pdr_APDS_ammo_pack Research: 2 500 Cost: 4 800 185 Elevation Mechanism Research: 2 500 Cost: 4 800 185 Artillery Support Research: 2 600 Cost: 5 000 190 76mm_britain_Smoke_ammo_pack Research: 2 600 Cost: 5 000 190 Smoke grenade Research: 2 600 Cost: 5 000 190

Armaments

Main armament

76 mm QF 17-pounder cannon

Ammunition80 rounds

First-order5 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

7.6 → 5.9 s

Vertical guidance-5° / 25°

76 mm QF 17-pounder					Turret rotation speed (°/s)					Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode	Capacity	Vertical	Horizontal	Stabilizer	Stock	Upgraded	Full	Expert	Aced	Stock	Full	Expert	Aced
Arcade	80	-5°/+25°	±180°	N/A	22.8	31.6	38.4	42.5	45.2	7.67	6.79	6.25	5.90
Realistic					14.3	16.8	20.4	22.6	24.0

Ammunition

• Shot Mk.6: AP - Standard penetrating round, use until better rounds are unlocked.
• Shell Mk.1: HE - It is ideal for destroying SPAA and lightly armoured tanks, but useless against anything else.
• Shot Mk.4: APC - Cap for better grip against sloped armour.
• Shot Mk.8: APCBC - Like Shot Mk.4 but with a ballistic cap for improved flight path, as well as better penetration.
• Shot SV Mk.1: APDS - Highest armour penetration of any shot, but has worse spalling effect, and can only penetrate vertical surfaces.

Penetration statistics
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
		10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
Shot Mk.6	AP	171	168	155	139	126	113
Shell Mk.1	HE	20	20	18	16	15	13
Shot Mk.4	APC	171	168	155	139	126	113
Shot Mk.8	APCBC	190	187	172	155	140	126
Shot SV Mk.1	APDS	269	264	246	226	207	189

Shell details
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	Ricochet
							0%	50%	100%
Shot Mk.6	AP	883	7.71	-	-	-	47°	60°	65°
Shell Mk.1	HE	883	6.98	0.2	0.1	580	79°	80°	81°
Shot Mk.4	APC	883	7.71	-	-	-	48°	63°	71°
Shot Mk.8	APCBC	883	7.71	-	-	-	48°	63°	71°
Shot SV Mk.1	APDS	1,204	2.48	-	-	-	75°	78°	80°

Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Screen radius (m)	Screen deploy time (s)	Screen hold time (s)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)
17pdr Shell SS Mk.1	229	8.44	13	5	20	50

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Sherman Firefly (identical)

Full ammo	1st rack empty	2nd rack empty	3rd rack empty	4th rack empty	5th rack empty	6th rack empty	Visual discrepancy
80	61 (+19)	41 (+39)	21 (+59)	6 (+74)	4 (+76)	1 (+79)	No

Machine guns

12.7 mm M2HB machine gun

Ammunition800 rounds

Belt capacity200 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

10.4 → 8.0 s

Fire rate575 shots/min

Vertical guidance-10° / 15°

7.62 mm L3A1 machine gun (coaxial)

Ammunition5 000 rounds

Belt capacity250 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

10.4 → 8.0 s

Fire rate500 shots/min

12.7 mm M2HB
Mount	Capacity (Belt)	Fire rate	Vertical	Horizontal
Pintle	800 (200)	577	-10°/+15°	±180°

7.62 mm L3A1
Mount	Capacity (Belt)	Fire rate	Vertical	Horizontal
Coaxial	5,000 (250)	500	N/A	N/A

Usage in battles

Shoot and scoot. Unless the enemy's tank gunner has been knocked out (black only), cannon breech has been disabled (red/black), or cannon barrel is disabled (red/black) that inhibits the enemy's ability to fire back, don't expose the tank after firing. Always try to retreat back into cover to reload. Once reloaded, preferably pop out of an area different from the last firing position and take another shot. Make sure to eliminate the enemy's ability to fire back by destroying their cannon breech and traverse gears, or incapacitate their driver and gunner again if they were replaced. During this whole process, watch out for other enemy tanks and avoid being swarmed. With situational awareness combined with the correct usage of the map, the Firefly becomes a decent tank capable of effectively fighting every medium and heavy tank it faces.

The Firefly can excel at vaporizing tanks that have clustered crew, like StuGs, SUs, T-34s, KVs, and even Panzer IIIs and IVs. The post-penetration affect of the Firefly's shells after the AP buffs allow it to decimate those tanks. However, it is recommended to still shoot from afar, as all of these tanks can destroy the Firefly easily.

Definitely do not play too aggressively. The huge weakness of the 3/4 crew in the turret is almost always pointed out immediately, because it's a huge issue. A good hit either means a quick trip back to the hangar, or a lengthy crew replenishment time in AB. But this ignores the fact that the tank is just a huge glass cannon, as any shot anywhere will likely cripple the tank.

The Sherman Firefly can dish out the punishment necessary for heavy tanks, but can't take it. Don't expose the tank towards enemy fire too long due to the thin armour on the Firefly in comparison to other tanks such as the Soviet T-34-85s and the German Panthers. Take a shot, preferably from a flanking location, then retreat into cover regardless of the shot's effect on target, because if the target could swing its gun towards the Firefly, or have friends that could hit it, consider writing off the Firefly very soon. This varies between different enemies, as going against something like the KV-2 would be different than going against a Tiger I.

Pros and cons

Pros:

• Uses the tried and tested Sherman chassis. Experienced players will find this tank easy to use.
• Very fast turret traverse speed.
• The 17-Pounder gun, which can penetrate every single tank it faces, although newer players may struggle against the Panther.
• APDS rounds with excellent penetrating capabilities
• Fast reload even with untrained crew.
• 77 rounds maximum.
• Fast and very mobile.
• Has .50 cal AA machine gun that's unique among other vehicles as it can rotate for 360°.
• Has no side bulges unlike the Premium version.
• Post penetration damage tends to be enough to knock out crews when clustered together, such as on the T-34 series or turrets.

Cons:

• Armour of a M4 Sherman, very thin for a Rank III vehicle
• Large profile
• 4 crew members, 3 of which are clustered in the turret, making it easier to knock out
• Bad gun depression of only -5 degrees
• Gun post-penetration damage is decent with the AP buffs, but still won't always knock out a tank in one hit
• Short ready rack (5 shells), resulting in a much longer reload time after depleting
• Smart enemies will shoot the spot where the radio operator gunner usually sat, as in the Firefly, that spot is replaced by ammo (unless carrying 54 rounds)
• Lacks additional armour, unlike its British counterpart
• Reverse speed is bad
• Like all vehicles armed with early version of the 17-pounder gun, it will struggle before it has the Shot Mk.8
• Stock AP round is painful to use. It fragments poorly, bounces often and does very little damage unless hitting ammo or modules
• Unlike other Shermans, it doesn't have access to a gun stabilizer and thus the gun sight will rock up and down on a sudden stop
• Traverse is mediocre, and bad when its stock
• Insufficient mobility when stock

History

In Italian Service

Impression of an Italian Sherman VC during military exercises

The Firefly first saw action in Italy in British, American, and Polish hands in the Italian Campaign in 1944, but were ceased since heavy German armour proved to be a challenging opponent for the Firefly. After WW2, Italy was supplied with tanks by the US and UK, such as the Sherman Firefly (designated as M4 Tipo IC or M4 Tipo VC depending on the variant) and M24 Chaffee, which were commissioned in 1947. At that time, Italy created the first nucleus for the formation of a tankers school, and on the 1st of October officially formed the Military School Organization.

The M4 Tipo VCs were decommissioned and scrapped in 1952.

Media

Skins

• Skins and camouflages for the Sherman Vc (Italy) from live.warthunder.com.

Videos

The Sherman Vc Medium Tank (Italy) - Orangefan

See also

Vehicles equipped with the same gun & turret

• Sherman Firefly
• Sherman IC "Trzyniec"
• M4 Tipo IC

Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

• M4A1 (76) W
• M4A4 (SA50)

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

• topic on the official game forum;
• other literature.

Department of Tank Design
Medium Tanks
Sherman Firefly	Sherman Firefly · Sherman IC "Trzyniec"
MBTs
Centurion	Centurion Mk 1 · Centurion Mk.2 · Centurion Mk 3 · Centurion Action X · Centurion Mk.5 AVRE · Centurion Mk 10
Challenger*	Challenger Mk.2 · Challenger Mk.3 · Challenger DS
Tank Destroyers
Achilles	Achilles · Achilles (65 Rg.)
Centurion-based	Conway · FV4005
Export
Sherman Firefly	Sherman Ic · ▄Sherman Vc
Centurion	Centurion Mk.5/1 · Strv 81 · Strv 81 (RB 52) · ▄Strv 81 (RB 52) · Strv 101 · Strv 104** · Strv 105** · Sho't
See also	US Ordnance Department · Israeli Ordnance Corps · Vickers-Armstrongs Limited
	*By successor, the Military Vehicles and Engineering Establishment
	**Swedish modernizations incorporating innovations from the Israeli Sho't Kals.