PTZ89

PTZ89

CM25

PTL02

PTZ89

CM25

PTL02

China

VI Rank

Battle rating:

AB	RB	SB
9.0	9.0	9.0

Class:

Tank destroyer

Research:94 000

Purchase:520 000

Description

The HuoPao Tanke ZiXing 89 is a rank VI Chinese tank destroyer with a battle rating of 9.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "New Power".

The PTZ89 is a purpose-built tank destroyer armed with a formidable 120 mm smoothbore gun, somewhat similar in layout and concept to the infamous Soviet Object 120. It is remarkable for having entered service in 1989; by then, the era of the main battle tank was well underway and gun-armed tank destroyers were out of fashion. This conundrum exists in War Thunder as well, where the PTZ89 faces agile and well-armed tanks like the Leopard A1A1 while not being speedy or well-protected itself. Still, if the PTZ89 does one thing well, it's firepower. The marvelous cannon easily penetrates almost anything it meets and the assisted loader allows several targets to be destroyed in quick succession. This vehicle is all about its gun and a skilled gunner can make good use of it for sniping and ambushes.

General info

Survivability and armour

Smoke grenades

Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle

Self-entrenching equipment

Creation of ramparts and trenches in soft ground

Armourfront / side / back

Hull35 / 15 / 10

Turret22 / 18 / 18

Crew4 people

Visibility84 %

The PTZ89 is built on the chassis of the Type 83 self-propelled howitzer and its overall protection is disappointing. The hull has enough armour to shrug off heavy machine guns from the front but the sides are only 15 mm thick. The large and bulbous turret is even more vulnerable, the sloped turret face only being 22 mm thick. Never trust the armour of the PTZ89, vehicles armed with autocannons will easily shred it and it can be gunned down by the ubiquitous M2 Browning from the sides. Any aircraft equipped with cannons or heavy machine guns can destroy it from above.

The thin armour ironically makes subcaliber rounds produce less spalling upon penetrating the tank, but the internal layout can still lead to fatal results. The three crew members are lined up on the left side of the tank (right side from an attacker's perspective) and well-aimed shots might knock all of them out, putting the vehicle out of commission. That said, the turret seating is rather high and there is a chance that a shot knocking out the driver might pass underneath the turret crew. The turret bustle also houses many rounds of ammunition without blowout racks and penetrating shots to the turret front or rear can set them off.

The PTZ89 is vulnerable to hull break from chemical rounds like HEAT-FS but not kinetic rounds like APFSDS. Be extra careful to avoid artillery, ATGMs, bombs, and rockets when possible.

Armour	Front (Slope angle)	Sides	Rear	Roof
Hull	10 + 10 mm (71°) Upper glacis 35 mm (1-66°) Transmission housing 15 mm (20°) Mine plow attachment plate	15 mm	10 (9°) mm	10 mm
Turret	22 mm (30°) Turret front 30 mm (32°) Gun mask 40 mm (9-36°) Gun mantlet	18 mm (14°)	18 mm	15 mm (79-89°)
Cupola	15 mm	15 mm	15 mm	15 mm

Notes:

• Suspension wheels are 20 mm of structural steel, tracks are 15 mm thick,
• Engine radiator grilles are 5 mm of RHA.
• Internal firewall around the engine/transmission compartment, 5 mm RHA thick.
• Slat armour on turret sides, 10 mm of structural steel.
• Skirts and storage boxes above tracks are 4 mm of structural steel.

Mobility

Speedforward / back

AB60 / 9 km/h

RB and SB56 / 8 km/h

Number of gears5 forward

1 back

Weight30.0 t

Engine power

AB992 hp

RB and SB520 hp

Power-to-weight ratio

AB33.1 hp/t

RB and SB17.3 hp/t

Game Mode	Max Speed (km/h)		Weight (tons)	Engine power (horsepower)		Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
	Forward	Reverse		Stock	Upgraded	Stock	Upgraded
Arcade	60	9	30	739	992	24.63	33.07
Realistic	56	8		460	520	15.33	17.33

The PTZ89 has a slightly better power-to-weight than the contemporary ZTZ59D1 and M60A3 TTS, but not by much, and it is still unlikely to win any races versus Leopards or OF-40s. The 8 km/h reverse speed is poor but pretty typical for a Chinese vehicle. It is more concerning than usual on the PTZ89 since the chassis is very long and reversing into cover is not easy. However, since the turret is located at the rear of the vehicle, it often makes sense to peek out of cover using the reverse gear and quickly reenter cover by driving forward.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB4 595 → 6 295

RB5 085 → 6 966

SB5 780 → 7 918

Total cost of modifications157 100

266 000

Talisman cost2 600

Crew training150 000

Experts520 000

Aces2 100

Research Aces950 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

160 / 210 / 250 %

220 / 220 / 220 %

Modifications

Mobility	Protection	Firepower
Tracks Research: 8 400 Cost: 13 000 280 Suspension Research: 9 500 Cost: 15 000 310 Brake System Research: 9 500 Cost: 15 000 310 Filters Research: 14 000 Cost: 22 000 460 Transmission Research: 14 000 Cost: 22 000 460 Engine Research: 14 000 Cost: 22 000 460	Improved Parts Research: 2 500 Cost: 13 000 280 Dozer Blade Research: 8 400 Cost: 13 000 280 Improved FPE Research: 2 900 Cost: 15 000 310 Crew Replenishment Research: 14 000 Cost: 22 000 460 Smoke grenade Research: 14 000 Cost: 22 000 460	Horizontal Drive Research: 8 400 Cost: 13 000 280 Adjustment of Fire Research: 9 500 Cost: 15 000 310 Elevation Mechanism Research: 14 000 Cost: 22 000 460 Laser rangefinder Research: 14 000 Cost: 22 000 460

Armaments

Laser rangefinder

Reduces the error and increases the maximum measurable distance of the rangefinder

Main armament

120 mm PTZ89 cannon

Two-plane stabilizer

Reduces the swing of the gun in two planes while moving

Autoloader

Automatically feeds projectiles into the breech. The speed does not depend on the skills of the loader

Ammunition30 rounds

First-order10 rounds

Reload5.0 s

Vertical guidance-5° / 18°

The PTZ89 uses a domestic 120 mm smoothbore cannon. The turret is equipped with an assisted loader in the bustle that can hold up to 10 rounds at once. When the assisted loader still has ammunition, the gun only takes 5 seconds to reload, which is highly impressive for its rank. Refilling the assisted loader is done one round at a time and takes a while, so it's best to take a break from heated combat once the supplies start to run low. The turret rotation speed is on par with the Type 69; below average, but not agonizing like the ZTZ59D1. Gun depression and elevation levels are rather poor, so be careful on hilly terrain.

120 mm PTZ89					Turret rotation speed (°/s)					Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode	Capacity	Vertical	Horizontal	Stabilizer	Stock	Upgraded	Full	Expert	Aced	Stock	Full	Expert	Aced
Arcade	30	-5°/+18°	±180°	Two-plane	13.2	18.3	22.2	24.6	26.1	5.00	5.00	5.00	5.00
Realistic					8.9	10.5	12.8	14.1	15.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
		10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
DYW1	APFSDS	443	442	436	429	422	416
DYS120	HE	30	30	30	30	30	30

Shell details
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile Mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	Ricochet
							0%	50%	100%
DYW1	APFSDS	1,740	4.45	N/A	N/A	N/A	78°	80°	81°
DYS120	HE	900	19.5	0	0.1	2,490	79°	80°	81°

The PTZ89 has two choices of ammunition. The stock DYW1 APFSDS should definitely be the round of choice: it has outstanding muzzle velocity and penetration, knocking all contemporary APFSDS rounds out of the park. The flat penetration of up to 443 mm is enough to penetrate the turret of the M1 Abrams and the angled penetration of up to 256 mm at 60 degrees is better than the top 3BM42 "Mango" APFSDS used by most top-tier Soviet tanks. It also has a good weight and produces more spalling than typical 105 mm APFSDS rounds, so one-shot kills are quite common when shooting at the center mass of enemy tanks. The only tanks the PTZ89 can meet that have some resistance to DYW1 are the British Chieftain Mk 10 and Challenger Mk.2/Mk.3. The Chieftain has a very well armored left turret cheek (right side from an attacker's perspective). The upper portion of the Challengers' turret cheeks and the sections immediately to the left and right of their gun barrels are impenetrable. These trolly turrets are only a complication if they are entirely hull-down since DYW1 will slice through their hull armor with ease.

The DYS120 HE shell is not very powerful and has limited utility. It might be able to cause hull breaks on lightly armored targets, but it is often more convenient to just mop up these targets with the APFSDS considering the fast reload and high velocity.

Ammo racks

Full ammo	1st rack empty	2nd rack empty	3rd rack empty	4th rack empty	5th rack empty	6th rack empty	Visual discrepancy
30	__ (+__)	__ (+__)	__ (+__)	__ (+__)	__ (+__)	__ (+__)	__

Machine guns

12.7 mm QJC88A machine gun

Ammunition600 rounds

Belt capacity150 rounds

Reload5.0 s

Fire rate600 shots/min

Vertical guidance-6° / 85°

12.7 mm QJC88A
Mount	Capacity (Belt)	Fire rate	Vertical	Horizontal
Pintle	500 (150)	700	-5°/+60°	±180°

Usage in battles

The selling point of the PTZ89 is its ability to sling very powerful APFSDS downrange at a very rapid pace. If a target is in the gunner's sight, cleaning them up is easy. The challenge is getting into a situation to use that firepower; the PTZ89 is easy to spot, not particularly fast, and horribly protected, so any enemy that sees the PTZ89 can easily send it back to the hangar. IFVs and SPAAs are perhaps the biggest threat to the PTZ89 since, unlike MBTs, they can afford to start sending dozens of rounds downrange at first sight instead of needing to carefully lay their gun on target, reducing the window of time available for a preemptive shot. The M3 Bradley's relatively small 25 mm autocannon, which can hardly scratch the paint off the ZTZ59D1's armor, will turn the PTZ89 into a colander.

Avoid charging directly into combat. Stick close to cover and always keep an eye out for enemy vehicles. Since the PTZ89 lacks thermal sights, all spotting must be done using the naked eye, looking for movement and muzzle flashes. If you can stay concealed and identify targets before they are aware of you, it should be safe to peek out of cover and knock out a tank or two. Change positions after every few kills to maintain the element of surprise.

Helicopters and planes are a massive threat. Even propeller fighters armed with heavy machine guns are capable of destroying the PTZ89, to say nothing of jets armed with rockets, bombs, or air-to-ground missiles. If enemy aircraft are around, stay close to buildings or trees and use the smoke grenades as a last resort. The pintle-mounted QJC88A heavy machine gun might be helpful against lightly armored helicopters in a pinch, especially since it has a decent 150 round belt capacity in contrast to the very stingy DShK seen on many previous Chinese vehicles.

The PTZ89 is very much a high risk and high reward vehicle. It relies heavily on the user's situational awareness and gunnery skills. A stroke of bad luck or a slight mistake can result in getting unceremoniously shredded by autocannons or getting ammo-racked from across the map, but with some good positioning and a careful trigger finger, the PTZ89 can wipe out targets with ruthless efficiency.

Pros and cons

Pros:

• Excellent APFSDS round with very high velocity, great penetration and flat trajectory; comes with the vehicle as stock ammo
• Five-second reload thanks to the assisted loader
• Two-plane stabilizer giving it advantage in shoot-n-scoot tactic or sudden close encounters
• Roof-mounted 12.7 mm heavy machine gun can effectively damage low flying helicopters, lightly armoured vehicles or even aircraft
• Two salvos of smoke grenades can provide protective cover (to some extent) twice for the player
• Nice top speed

Cons:

• Very poor all-round armour making it extremely vulnerable to rockets, bombs or even .50 calibre rounds, let alone APFSDS and missiles
• Mediocre mobility
• Slow reverse speed of only 7-8 kph can put the player in a fatal situation
• Below average turret rotation speed
• Bad gun depression of only -5 degrees, limiting its terrain adaptation for different maps
• Humongous tank, increasing the chance of being spotted and hit
• Can be hull broken by chemical munitions

History

During the 1970s, new tanks like the T-64 and T-72 were entering service in the Soviet Union, and with tensions between China and the Soviet Union still being tense, China needed a gun capable of defeating these tanks. The problem was, their primary tank was still the Type 59, a Chinese version of the T-54 tank, still armed with a 100 mm rifled gun. During this period, China tried to turn to Rheinmetall for their new 120 mm L/44 smoothbore gun, but this was rejected. The Chinese decided to develop their own gun, using technology and knowledge from the T-62 they had captured at Zhenbao Island.

In 1979, three versions of the gun were completed, with an estimated 1,000 APFSDS rounds fired. In February of that year, gun design 82-2 penetrated 204 mm on a 68 degree armour at a speed of 1,646 m/s. In 1981, the basic design was completed, with gun design 82-14 being chosen for the new 120 mm smoothbore gun. This could fire an APFSDS projectile at 1,700 m/s, penetrating 204 mm of armor at a 68 degree angle.

Following this, the gun was put in a turret on the Type 321 utility tracked chassis that would be used on other vehicles such as the PHZ-89 or PGZ-09. The vehicle would be demonstrated in 1985 in Nankou, Beijing, with more tests being conducted until late 1988, when it finally began initial production. It first entered service in 1989, and by the time it was retired, around 100 had been produced. Having served its purpose and with the rise of new Chinese MBTs such as the ZTZ99 (with more capable guns), it retired in November 2015, when the 39th Army Group held an official retirement ceremony for the vehicle.

Devblog

In the late 1970's, Chinese engineers began developing a new combat vehicle which would be capable of defeating some of the most commonly used second generation main battle tanks, such as the Soviet T-62 and T-72, among others. The basic design would be that of a turreted, lightly armoured yet mobile tank destroyer.

Development work was slow and dragged itself through the first half of the 1980's for various reasons, including lack of funding. However, by the late 1980's, the project picked up pace again and several prototypes and pre-production vehicles were built for testing and evaluation.

Following a successful testing phase, the PTZ-89, as it became known, was approved for production in early 1990, with small-scale production commencing and the first vehicles reaching units in 1991. With the end of the Cold War, however, the need for a vehicle such as the PTZ-89 diminished, leading to an early production stop in the late 1990s.

Media

Skins

• Skins and camouflages for the PTZ89 from live.warthunder.com.

Videos

PTZ89 - A Chinese Wild Ride - Napalmratte

Images

• PTZ-89 Devblog Images
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See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

• reference to the series of the vehicles;
• links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

• [Devblog] PTZ-89: Hungry Dragon

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