Difference between revisions of "Concept 3"

From War Thunder Wiki
Jump to: navigation, search
(See also: Added vehicles)
(Mentioned recoil of the 17 pdr leading to rocking of chassis.)
Line 16: Line 16:
  
 
'''Armour type:'''
 
'''Armour type:'''
 +
 
* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret, cupola)
 
* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret, cupola)
 
* Wheel (tires)
 
* Wheel (tires)
Line 32: Line 33:
  
 
'''Notes:'''
 
'''Notes:'''
 +
 
* Wheels and torsion bars are 10 mm thick.
 
* Wheels and torsion bars are 10 mm thick.
 
* Belly armour is 6.35 mm thick.
 
* Belly armour is 6.35 mm thick.
Line 128: Line 130:
 
|}
 
|}
 
'''Notes''':
 
'''Notes''':
 +
 
* Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
 
* Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
 
* If you pack 21 ''(+39)'' shells, it will keep the turret empty of ammo.
 
* If you pack 21 ''(+39)'' shells, it will keep the turret empty of ammo.
Line 164: Line 167:
 
* Solid shot ammunition only, accurate fire is needed to disable vehicles
 
* Solid shot ammunition only, accurate fire is needed to disable vehicles
 
* Suspension is quite bouncy, making quick reaction shots difficult
 
* Suspension is quite bouncy, making quick reaction shots difficult
 +
* The main gun's recoil is quite strong, coupled with the bouncy suspension, leads to significantly "rocking" after firing, especially off the sides.
 
* Turning is slow when stock
 
* Turning is slow when stock
 
* Suffers in soft terrain, sometimes speed will drop massively upon the slightest obstacle
 
* Suffers in soft terrain, sometimes speed will drop massively upon the slightest obstacle
Line 182: Line 186:
  
 
;Skins
 
;Skins
 +
 
* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_concept3_ngac Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 
* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_concept3_ngac Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
  
Line 193: Line 198:
  
 
;Related developement
 
;Related developement
 +
 
* [[Rooikat Mk.1D]]
 
* [[Rooikat Mk.1D]]
 
* [[Rooikat 105]]
 
* [[Rooikat 105]]

Revision as of 10:33, 11 August 2021

This version of the wiki is no longer supported
Use Wiki 3.0
Concept 3
uk_concept3_ngac.png
GarageImage Concept 3.jpg
Concept 3

Description

The Concept 3, New Generation Armoured Car is a rank British light tank with a battle rating of (AB), (RB), and (SB). It was introduced in Update "Red Skies".

General info

Survivability and armour

Like the American M18 Hellcat, the Concept 3 only has 12.7 mm (0.5 in) of armour in most areas, with some areas being only 6.5 mm. As a result, anything at this BR can penetrate this vehicle's armour. Compounding issues, the Concept 3 has ammunition storage scattered all throughout its body. In other words: while incoming fire from the sides is somewhat prone to overpenetration, this cannot be depended upon. Try to avoid being shot at in the first place.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret, cupola)
  • Wheel (tires)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 12.7 mm (70°) Upper glacis
25.4 mm (31°) Lower glacis
12.7 mm (25°) Top
12.7 mm Bottom
12.7 mm Rear armour
5 mm Engine grille
12.7 mm
Turret 12.7 mm (19°) Turret front
25.4 mm (7-69°) Gun mantlet
12.7 mm (18-19°) 12.7 mm (21°) 12.7 mm (10°) Front
6.35 mm Rear
Cupola 25.4 mm 25.4 mm 25.4 mm 12.7 mm

Notes:

  • Wheels and torsion bars are 10 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 6.35 mm thick.

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade Expression error: Unexpected * operator. 324 Expression error: Unexpected round operator. __.__
Realistic 185 Expression error: Unexpected round operator. __.__

Modifications and economy

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: OQF Mk.II (77 mm)
77 mm OQF Mk.II Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 60 -10°/+20° ±180° N/A 14.3 19.8 24.0 26.5 28.2 7.67 6.78 6.25 5.90
Realistic 8.9 10.5 12.8 14.1 15.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Shot Mk.6 AP 137 134 123 111 100 91
Shell Mk.1 HE 9 9 9 9 9 9
Shot Mk.4 APC 137 134 123 111 100 91
Shot Mk.8 APCBC 152 149 137 124 112 101
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Shot Mk.6 AP 754 7.71 N/A N/A N/A 47° 60° 65°
Shell Mk.1 HE 754 6.98 0 0.1 580 79° 80° 81°
Shot Mk.4 APC 754 7.71 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°
Shot Mk.8 APCBC 754 7.71 N/A N/A N/A 48° 63° 71°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Concept 3
Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
6th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
60 41 (+19) 37 (+23) 33 (+27) 28 (+32) 21 (+39) (+59) No

Notes:

  • Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
  • If you pack 21 (+39) shells, it will keep the turret empty of ammo.

Machine guns

7.62 mm Browning MG4
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Coaxial 2,500 (250) 500 N/A N/A

Usage in battles

Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Excellent gun for its tier, good penetration and decent reload
  • Fast with good acceleration when spaded
  • Reverse speed is as good as forward speed, allowing for quick getaways
  • Above average muzzle velocity

Cons:

  • Solid shot ammunition only, accurate fire is needed to disable vehicles
  • Suspension is quite bouncy, making quick reaction shots difficult
  • The main gun's recoil is quite strong, coupled with the bouncy suspension, leads to significantly "rocking" after firing, especially off the sides.
  • Turning is slow when stock
  • Suffers in soft terrain, sometimes speed will drop massively upon the slightest obstacle
  • Negligible armour, vulnerable to artillery overpressure
  • Sub-par accuracy at range when stock

History

The Concept 3 was based on the British FV603 Alvis Saracen Armoured Personnel Carrier. It was designed to fulfil a new South African requirement for a "New Generation Armoured Car". The project started in 1976 and ended in 1979. 3 testbed vehicles were made, Concept 3 being one of them. The Concept 3 differed from the Alvis Saracen APCs - it had an 8-wheel configuration, giving it superior off-road characteristics and superior performance. The Concept 3 was fitted with a 77mm OQF Mk.II, identical to the one found on the A34 Comet I which, wile underwhelming for the time was merely a placeholder and was later swapped for a 105 mm Royal Ordnance L7 which was a licence built version of the same gun found on the British Centurion Mk 10. The L7 variant was known as the "Bismarck". The vehicle was built by South African company Sandock-Austral (later merged into BAE Systems), the same company credited with creating and producing the Ratel family (Ratel 20 / 90) and the Eland 90 Mk.7. Several tests were conducted over the years at Potchefstroom, South Africa. The Concept 3 series was nicknamed the "Cheetah" and the vehicle was officially designated "Concept 3, Class 2B" and was built to slightly different medium specifications, raising the original weight of the vehicle from a modest 17 tonnes to a rather considerable weight of up to 23 tonnes.

When all is said and done, the Concept series deviated from the original vision of the Armoured Personnel Carrier, morphing into a light Armoured Fighting Vehicle or reconnaissance car. The original intended role of Armoured Personnel Carrier was ultimately fulfilled by the excellent Ratel family which doubled as an effective Infantry Fighting Vehicle. Therefore the South African National Defence Force ultimately cancelled the order for the Concepts, and immediate further development of the Concept programme was promptly terminated.

However, the legacy of the Concept cannot be asserted enough: the basic design of the Concept and in particular its chassis would later become that of the Rooikat family (Rooikat 105 / MTTD / Mk.1D / ZA-35) which are still used to this day. The Concept, while often forgotten, disregarded and dishonoured is perhaps one of the most - if not the most - influential military vehicle design in South African history.

Media

Skins
Videos

See also

Related developement

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • other literature.


Britain light tanks
A13  A13 Mk I · A13 Mk I (3rd R.T.R.) · A13 Mk II · A13 Mk II 1939
A15  Crusader II · Crusader "The Saint" · Crusader III
A17  Tetrarch I
IFV  Warrior · Desert Warrior (Kuwait)
Wheeled  Daimler Mk II · AEC Mk II · Fox · Vickers Mk.11
Other  VFM5
South Africa 
SARC  SARC MkIVa · SARC MkVI (2pdr) · SARC MkVI (6pdr)
Ratel  Ratel 90 · Ratel 20
Rooikat  Rooikat Mk.1D · Rooikat 105 · Rooikat MTTD
Other  Concept 3 · Eland 90 Mk.7
USA  Stuart I · Stuart III