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The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The commander (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.
 
The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The commander (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.
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'''Armour type:'''
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* Rolled homogeneous armour
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* Structural steel
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{| class="wikitable"
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|-
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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|-
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| Hull || 16 mm (70°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 16 mm (2-73°) ''Transmission housing'' || 16 mm  || 10 mm (0-42°) || 10 mm
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|-
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| Superstructure || 16 mm (21°) ''Front'' <br> 10 mm ''Gun shield'' || 16 mm (30°) ''Right side'' <br> 16 mm (21-48°) ''Left side''  || 10 mm || 10 mm
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|-
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! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
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|-
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| Cupola || 10 mm || N/A
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|}
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'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
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* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Mobility characteristic
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|-
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! Weight (tons)
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! colspan="1" | Add-on Armour<br>weight (tons)
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! colspan="1" | Max speed (km/h)
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|-
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| rowspan="2" | 28.0 || colspan="1" rowspan="2" | N/A || colspan="1" | 59 (AB)
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|-
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|55 (RB/SB)
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Engine power (horsepower)
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|-
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! colspan="1" | Mode
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
 +
|-
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|''Arcade''
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|639
 +
|787
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|-
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
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|398
 +
|450
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
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|-
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! colspan="1" | Mode
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
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|-
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|''Arcade''
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|22.82
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|28.11
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|-
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
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|14.21
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|16.07
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|-
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|}
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{main|L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|l1=L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)}}
  
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=== Additional armament ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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''Some tanks are armed with several guns in one or more turrets. Evaluate the additional weaponry and give advice on its use. Describe the ammunition available for additional weaponry. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage. If there is no additional weaponry remove this subsection.''
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|-
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! colspan="6" | [[L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950]]
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|-
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! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
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|-
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| colspan="3" | 30 || -5°/+67° || ±20° || N/A
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|-
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
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|-
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! style="width:4em" |Mode
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! style="width:4em" |Stock
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! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
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|-
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| ''Arcade'' || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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|-
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| ''Realistic'' || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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|-
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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|-
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
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|-
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| 26.0 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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|-
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|}
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===== Ammunition =====
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 0° Angle of Attack'''
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|-
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! 10m
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! 100m
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! 500m
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! 1000m
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! 1500m
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! 2000m
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|-
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| M107 || HE || 53 || 53 || 53 || 53 || 53 || 53
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
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''in m:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
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''in mm:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
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! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
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|-
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! 0%
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! 50%
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! 100%
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|-
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| M107 || HE || 563 || 41 || 0.1 || 0.5 || 6,620 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
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! colspan="7" | Smoke characteristic
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|-
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! Ammunition
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! Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! ''Screen radius <br /> in m''
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! ''Screen time <br /> in s''
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! ''Screen hold time <br /> in s:''
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! ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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|-
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| M110 || 563 || 41 || 25 || 5 || 30 || 50
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|-
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|}
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===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full<br /> ammo
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |5th<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |6th<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual<br /> discrepancy
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|-
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|| '''30''' || XX&nbsp;''(X+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || style="text-align:left" | Turret empty: &nbsp;() || style="text-align:left" | no
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|-
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|}
  
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
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{{main|MG 151/20 (20 mm)}}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="7" | [[MG 151/20 (20 mm)|20 mm MG151/20]]
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|-
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! colspan="7" | ''Commander's mount''
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|-
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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|-
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| colspan="4" | 400 (250) || 700 || -8°/+45° || ±180°
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|-
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|}
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.
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Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:
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* Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
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* Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Powerful 155mm gun.
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* Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
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* Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon.
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* Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
 
* Decent mobility
 
* Decent mobility
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* HE shell is very powerful, given that it hits in the right spot(s)
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* Thin armour can allow APHE rounds to penetrate through harmlessly without detonating
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
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* Thin armor.
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* Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
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* Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out.
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* Large profile
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* If the commander is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon.
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* Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
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* No AP shells, only HE shells.
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* If the commander is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
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* Bad gun depression
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* No AP shells, only HE shells
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* Bad gun depression of 5°
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==

Revision as of 17:10, 31 March 2019

Introducing Wiki 3.0
Lorraine 155 Mle.50
fr_lorraine_155.png
Lorraine 155 Mle.50
France flag.png France
III Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
4.3 4.3 4.3
Class:
PREMIUM
Purchase:Bundle or Gift

Description

GarageImage Lorraine 155 Mle.50.jpg


The Lorraine automoteur de 155 mm modèle 1950 (shortened as Lorraine 155 Mle.50) is a gift rank III French tank destroyer with a battle rating of 4.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm" during the 2018 World War Two Chronicles.

General info

Survivability and armour

The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The commander (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
  • Structural steel
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 16 mm (70°) Front glacis
16 mm (2-73°) Transmission housing 		16 mm 10 mm (0-42°) 10 mm
Superstructure 16 mm (21°) Front
10 mm Gun shield 		16 mm (30°) Right side
16 mm (21-48°) Left side 		10 mm 10 mm
Armour Sides Roof
Cupola 10 mm N/A

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 10 mm thick.

Mobility

Mobility characteristic
Weight (tons) Add-on Armour
weight (tons) 		Max speed (km/h)
28.0 N/A 59 (AB)
55 (RB/SB)
Engine power (horsepower)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 639 787
Realistic/Simulator 398 450
Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 22.82 28.11
Realistic/Simulator 14.21 16.07

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)
155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950
Capacity Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance 		Stabilizer
30 -5°/+67° ±20° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__
Realistic __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
26.0 __.__ __.__ __.__
Ammunition
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration in mm @ 0° Angle of Attack
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
M107 HE 53 53 53 53 53 53
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent): 		Normalization At 30°
from horizontal: 		Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
M107 HE 563 41 0.1 0.5 6,620 +0° 79° 80° 81°
Smoke characteristic
Ammunition Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Screen radius
in m 		Screen time
in s 		Screen hold time
in s: 		Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
M110 563 41 25 5 30 50
Ammo racks
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
30 XX (X+)  (+)  (+)  (+)  (+)  (+) Turret empty:  () no

Machine guns

Main article: MG 151/20 (20 mm)
20 mm MG151/20
Commander's mount
Capacity (Belt capacity) Fire rate
(shots/minute) 		Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance
400 (250) 700 -8°/+45° ±180°

Usage in battles

The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.

Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:

  • Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
  • Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
  • Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
  • Decent mobility
  • Thin armour can allow APHE rounds to penetrate through harmlessly without detonating

Cons:

  • Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
  • Large profile
  • Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
  • If the commander is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
  • No AP shells, only HE shells
  • Bad gun depression of 5°

History

Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.

Media

An excellent addition to the article will be video guides, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

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  • topic on the official game forum;
  • encyclopedia page on tank;
  • other literature.


France tank destroyers
Lorraine 40t derivatives  CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50
ATGM  MEPHISTO · AMX-10M
Other  AMR.35 ZT3 · Lorraine 37L · SAu 40 · ARL-44 · ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch · AuF1
USA  ▄M10 GMC · ▄M36B2

France premium ground vehicles
Light tanks  AMD.35 (SA35) · H.39 "Cambronne" · LVT-4/40 · AMX-13 (SS.11) · AMX-13-M24 · E.B.R. (1954) · E.B.R. (1963) · VBCI-2 (MCT30)
Medium tanks  M4A1 (FL10) · Panther "Dauphiné" · AMX-30 · AMX-30 Super · AMX-50 (TO90/930)
Heavy tanks  B1 ter · 2C bis · Somua SM
Tank destroyers  Lorraine 155 Mle.50

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