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[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left|The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' in the garage]]
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} German fighter {{Battle-rating}}.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} German fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.29.
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The 190 who thought it's a Stuka. The F-8 version is a peculiar one, designed to replace the the aging Ju 87 series, it could never fully replace it this late into the war (1944). As an attacker this Focke Wulf gains mid-air start on most maps which can either be used to get to ground targets quickly, or get the jump on climbing fighters. Keep in mind though that the very heavy F-8 is not designed for dogfights and will suffer in any fighter engagement.
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Flight Performance ===
 
=== Flight Performance ===
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! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
 
! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
 
|-
 
|-
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at ?,000 m)
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,400 m)
 
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
 
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! RB
 
! RB
 
|-
 
|-
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| ? || ? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ???
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|603||583|| {{Specs|ceiling}} ||24.8||25.3||9.3||11.6||453
 
|-
 
|-
 
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
 
! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
 
|-
 
|-
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at ?,000 m)
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,400 m)
 
! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
 
! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
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! RB
 
! RB
 
|-
 
|-
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| ? || ? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ???
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| ? || ? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? ||453
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
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! Arrestor gear
 
! Arrestor gear
 
|-
 
|-
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| X || X || X || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
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| X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
 
|-
 
|-
 
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! -
 
! -
 
|-
 
|-
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| {{Specs|разрушение|конструкции}} || {{Specs|разрушение|шасси}} || ??? || ~?? || ~?
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| {{Specs|разрушение|конструкции}} || {{Specs|разрушение|шасси}} ||N/A|| ~19 || ~19
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
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! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
|-
 
|-
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| < ??? || < ??? || < ??? || > ???
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| < 420 || < 510 || < 510 || > 280
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
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! WEP Engine power
 
! WEP Engine power
 
|-
 
|-
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| ?,??? m || ??? hp || ?,??? hp  
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| 1,500 m || 1,602 hp || 1,954 hp  
 
|-
 
|-
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<!--! colspan="3" | Setting 2
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! colspan="3" | Setting 2
 
|-
 
|-
 
! Optimal altitude
 
! Optimal altitude
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! WEP Engine power
 
! WEP Engine power
 
|-
 
|-
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| ?,??? m || ?,??? hp || ?,??? hp  
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| 5,900 m || 1,478 hp || 1,804 hp  
 
|-
 
|-
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! colspan="3" | Setting 3
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<!--! colspan="3" | Setting 3
 
|-
 
|-
 
! Optimal altitude
 
! Optimal altitude
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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
<!--''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured. Describe the armour, if there is any, also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''-->
 
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* No armour plating
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* 6 mm Steel - Fore cowl ring
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* No armour glazing
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* 10 mm Steel - Cowl ring
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* Critical components located in front of aircraft (fuel, pilot, engine, controls)
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* 6 mm Steel - Under engine armour
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* More fuel tanks located in wings near the fuselage
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* 8 mm Steel - Under cockpit/fuel tank armour plate
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* 5 mm Steel - Rear fuel tank armour
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* 8 mm Steel - Pilot's chair armour
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* 6 mm Steel - Pilot's chair armour
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* 12 mm Steel - Headrest armour
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* 57 mm Bulletproof glass - armoured windscreen
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
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<!--Describe the offensive armament of the aircraft, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in a battle, and also what belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.-->
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{{main|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}
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{{main|MG 151/20 (20 mm)|MG 131 (13 mm)}}
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with the following:
  
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
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* 4 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
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* 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine gun, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
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=== Suspended armament ===
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<!--Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.-->
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{{main|SC50JA (50 kg)|SC250JA (250 kg)|SC500K (500 kg)|SC1000L2 (1,000 kg)|Pb2}}
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{{main|MK 103 (30 mm)}}
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Payload options for the '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' include:
 +
 
 +
* Without load
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* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
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* 8 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
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* 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
 +
* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
 +
* 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
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* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
 +
* 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
 +
* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
 +
* 2 x 30 mm MK 103 cannon, wing-mounted (35 rpg = 70 total)
 +
* 14 x Pb2 rockets
  
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* 4 x 7.5 mm [[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)|MAC 1934]] machine guns (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
 
−
-->
 
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<!--=== Suspended armament ===
 
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''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.''-->
 
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;''Main article:&nbsp;'''[[:Category:Suspended armaments|Bombs]]'''''-->
 
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=== Defensive armament ===
 
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''Defensive armament with turret machine guns or cannons, crewed by gunners. Examine the number of gunners and what belts or drums are better to use. If defensive weaponry is not available remove this subsection.''
 
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== Usage in the battles ==
 
== Usage in the battles ==
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<!--''Describe the tactics of playing in an aircraft, the features of using vehicles in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''-->
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<!--''Describe the tactics of playing in an aircraft, the features of using vehicles in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''-->The Fw-190F-8 possesses far below average speed, acceleration and climb ability for it's tier. If you spot a bandit at the same altitude, a recommended tactic is to head-on attack, followed by an evasive maneuver and then extending away to repeat the processes. If a bandit has superior energy/altitude and is trying to attack you, try to drag them to friendlies, but don't sacrifice too much altitude to do so. If you are skilled enough, another tactic would be to initiate a scissors; either rolling or flat, and then break away when he goes to yo-yo to control his overshoot. The scissors is a highly effective maneuver in the 190s. Many good pilots have dismembered many superior aircraft simply because of the roll rate and firepower this plane possesses. If you are ballsy enough to press for a gun solution when scissoring an enemy, you could be greatly rewarded. In summary for the unintended fighter-role, climb to the side or continue climbing when starting mid-air, BnZ like a champion, never get in a sustained turn fight, and use the rate of roll to free yourself when cornered.
  
 
===Manual Engine Control===
 
===Manual Engine Control===
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! Type  
 
! Type  
 
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|-
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| Controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Separate || rowspan="2" | Not ontrollable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable
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| Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable || rowspan="2" |Combined|| rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
|}
  
 
===Modules===
 
===Modules===
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This attacker "Würger" has such awful responseness from the elevator, that anything which improves turnrate should have the highest priority. Otherwise it will kiss the ground more a lot more than cows do! Don't forget, it needs to dive-bomb to hit anything. And grinding the bombs cannot be forgotten!! This is an attacker, so it needs the payload unlocks, but without performance upgrades it is just pain to fly. A detour to the new belts could be considered, but two 20mm cannons are enough to handle any ground units even with stock ammo. Especially as the other performance upgrades are necessary as well due the F-8's great weight.
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
{| class="wikitable"
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!colspan = "1"| Tier
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! colspan="1" | Tier
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!colspan = "2"| Flight performance
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! colspan="2" | Flight performance
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!colspan = "1"| Survivability
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! colspan="1" | Survivability
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!colspan = "2"| Weaponry
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! colspan="3" | Weaponry
 
|-
 
|-
 
| I
 
| I
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| Radiator
 
| Radiator
 
|  
 
|  
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|  
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|Offensive 13 mm
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|ETC 501 I
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|
 
|-
 
|-
 
| II
 
| II
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| Compressor
 
| Compressor
 
| Airframe
 
| Airframe
−
|  
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|New 13 mm MGs
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|ETC 501 + ER 4 I
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|R4/M HL modification
 
|-
 
|-
 
| III
 
| III
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| Engine
 
| Engine
 
|  
 
|  
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|  
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|Offensive 20 mm
 +
|ETC 501 II
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|ETC 502 + ER 4 II
 
|-
 
|-
 
| IV
 
| IV
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| Engine Injection
 
| Engine Injection
 
| Cover
 
| Cover
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|  
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|New 20 mm cannons
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|R3 Modification
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|Offensive 30 mm
 
|-
 
|-
 
|}
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
−
*
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 +
* Great roll rate
 +
* Great energy retention
 +
* Ability to carry up to 1200 kgs of payload
 +
* Plenty of ammo
 +
* Access to 30mm Mk103 gunpods
 +
* Carrying the 30mm cannon pods do not have a significant reduction on flight performance when compared to the bombs
 +
* Well armoured from the front
 +
* Excellent tank busting capability
 +
* Can potentially win a game single-handedly if left unchecked
 +
* 30mm HVAP rounds can deal with any surface target except Pillboxes
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
−
*
+
 
 +
* Poor turn rate that many Medium Bombers can beat
 +
* Elevator has low responsibility & effect on low-medium speeds
 +
* 30mm cannons are mounted on the wings therefore is innacurate
 +
* Firing the 30mm cannons creates recoil within the plane
 +
* Maneuverability at low speeds is bad
 +
* Generally outclassed by other 190 models when it comes to air to air combat
 +
* Bad climb rate for a 190 especially with payloads
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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== Read also ==
 
== Read also ==
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,''
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,''
 +
 
* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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== Sources ==
 
== Sources ==
 
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
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* ''topic on the official game forum;''
 
* ''topic on the official game forum;''
 
* ''page on aircraft encyclopedia;''
 
* ''page on aircraft encyclopedia;''

Revision as of 11:32, 14 April 2019

Introducing Wiki 3.0
Fw 190 F-8
fw-190f-8.png
Fw 190 F-8
Germany flag.png Germany
IV Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
5.3 5.0 4.3
Class:
Research:46 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:155 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
Msg-info.png This page is about the aircraft Fw 190 F-8. For other uses, see Fw 190 (Disambiguation)

Description

The Fw 190 F-8 in the garage


The Fw 190 F-8 is a Rank IV German fighter with a battle rating of 5.3 (AB), 5.0 (RB), and 4.3 (SB). It was in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.29.

The 190 who thought it's a Stuka. The F-8 version is a peculiar one, designed to replace the the aging Ju 87 series, it could never fully replace it this late into the war (1944). As an attacker this Focke Wulf gains mid-air start on most maps which can either be used to get to ground targets quickly, or get the jump on climbing fighters. Keep in mind though that the very heavy F-8 is not designed for dogfights and will suffer in any fighter engagement.

General info

Flight Performance

Characteristics
Stock
Max Speed
(km/h at 5,400 m) 		Max altitude
(meters) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(meters/second) 		Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
603 583 11100 24.8 25.3 9.3 11.6 453
Upgraded
Max Speed
(km/h at 5,400 m) 		Max altitude (meters) Turn time (seconds) Rate of climb
(meters/second) 		Take-off run (meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
 ?  ? 11100  ??.?  ??.?  ??.?  ??.? 453

Details

Features
Combat flap Take-off flap Landing flap Air brakes Arrestor gear
X ✓ ✓ X X
Limits
Wing-break speed
(km/h) 		Gear limit
(km/h) 		Combat flap
(km/h) 		Max Static G
+ -
912 310 N/A ~19 ~19
Optimal velocities
Ailerons
(km/h) 		Rudder
(km/h) 		Elevators
(km/h) 		Radiator
(km/h)
< 420 < 510 < 510 > 280
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
1,500 m 1,602 hp 1,954 hp
Setting 2
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
5,900 m 1,478 hp 1,804 hp

Survivability and armour

  • 6 mm Steel - Fore cowl ring
  • 10 mm Steel - Cowl ring
  • 6 mm Steel - Under engine armour
  • 8 mm Steel - Under cockpit/fuel tank armour plate
  • 5 mm Steel - Rear fuel tank armour
  • 8 mm Steel - Pilot's chair armour
  • 6 mm Steel - Pilot's chair armour
  • 12 mm Steel - Headrest armour
  • 57 mm Bulletproof glass - armoured windscreen

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main articles: MG 151/20 (20 mm), MG 131 (13 mm)

The Fw 190 F-8 is armed with the following:

  • 4 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
  • 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine gun, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)

Suspended armament

Main articles: SC50JA (50 kg), SC250JA (250 kg), SC500K (500 kg), SC1000L2 (1,000 kg), Pb2
Main article: MK 103 (30 mm)

Payload options for the Fw 190 F-8 include:

  • Without load
  • 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
  • 8 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
  • 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
  • 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
  • 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
  • 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
  • 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
  • 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
  • 2 x 30 mm MK 103 cannon, wing-mounted (35 rpg = 70 total)
  • 14 x Pb2 rockets

Usage in the battles

The Fw-190F-8 possesses far below average speed, acceleration and climb ability for it's tier. If you spot a bandit at the same altitude, a recommended tactic is to head-on attack, followed by an evasive maneuver and then extending away to repeat the processes. If a bandit has superior energy/altitude and is trying to attack you, try to drag them to friendlies, but don't sacrifice too much altitude to do so. If you are skilled enough, another tactic would be to initiate a scissors; either rolling or flat, and then break away when he goes to yo-yo to control his overshoot. The scissors is a highly effective maneuver in the 190s. Many good pilots have dismembered many superior aircraft simply because of the roll rate and firepower this plane possesses. If you are ballsy enough to press for a gun solution when scissoring an enemy, you could be greatly rewarded. In summary for the unintended fighter-role, climb to the side or continue climbing when starting mid-air, BnZ like a champion, never get in a sustained turn fight, and use the rate of roll to free yourself when cornered.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Not controllable Controllable Not controllable Controllable Combined Not controllable Controllable

Modules

This attacker "Würger" has such awful responseness from the elevator, that anything which improves turnrate should have the highest priority. Otherwise it will kiss the ground more a lot more than cows do! Don't forget, it needs to dive-bomb to hit anything. And grinding the bombs cannot be forgotten!! This is an attacker, so it needs the payload unlocks, but without performance upgrades it is just pain to fly. A detour to the new belts could be considered, but two 20mm cannons are enough to handle any ground units even with stock ammo. Especially as the other performance upgrades are necessary as well due the F-8's great weight.

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage Repair Radiator Offensive 13 mm ETC 501 I
II Compressor Airframe New 13 mm MGs ETC 501 + ER 4 I R4/M HL modification
III Wings Repair Engine Offensive 20 mm ETC 501 II ETC 502 + ER 4 II
IV Engine Injection Cover New 20 mm cannons R3 Modification Offensive 30 mm

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Great roll rate
  • Great energy retention
  • Ability to carry up to 1200 kgs of payload
  • Plenty of ammo
  • Access to 30mm Mk103 gunpods
  • Carrying the 30mm cannon pods do not have a significant reduction on flight performance when compared to the bombs
  • Well armoured from the front
  • Excellent tank busting capability
  • Can potentially win a game single-handedly if left unchecked
  • 30mm HVAP rounds can deal with any surface target except Pillboxes

Cons:

  • Poor turn rate that many Medium Bombers can beat
  • Elevator has low responsibility & effect on low-medium speeds
  • 30mm cannons are mounted on the wings therefore is innacurate
  • Firing the 30mm cannons creates recoil within the plane
  • Maneuverability at low speeds is bad
  • Generally outclassed by other 190 models when it comes to air to air combat
  • Bad climb rate for a 190 especially with payloads

History

Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too big, take it to a separate article, taking a link to an article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ historical reference" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/Name-vehicles/historical reference) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to include links to sources at the end of the article.

Media

An excellent addition to the article will be video guides, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.

Read also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

Sources

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • page on aircraft encyclopedia;
  • other literature.


Germany fighters
Heinkel 
He 51  He 51 A-1 · He 51 B-1 · He 51 B-2/H · He 51 C-1 · He 51 C-1/L
He 100  He 100 D-1
He 112  He 112 A-0 · He 112 B-0 · He 112 B-1/U2 · He 112 B-2/U2 · He 112 V-5
Messerschmitt 
Bf 109 (Jumo)  Flegel's Bf 109 A · Bf 109 B-1 · Bf 109 C-1 · Bf 109 C-1
Bf 109 (DB-601)  Bf 109 E-1 · Bf 109 E-3 · Bf 109 E-4 · Bf 109 E-7/U2 · Bf 109 F-1 · Bf 109 F-2 · Bf 109 F-4 · Bf 109 F-4/trop
Bf 109 (DB-605)  Bf 109 G-2/trop · Bf 109 G-2 · Bf 109 G-6 · Bf 109 G-10 · Bf 109 G-14 · Bf 109 K-4
Focke-Wulf 
Fw 190 (early)  Fw 190 A-1 · Fw 190 A-4 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5/U2 · Fw 190 A-5/U14 · Fw 190 A-8 · Fw 190 C
Fw 190 (late)  Fw 190 D-9 · Fw 190 D-12 · Fw 190 D-13
Ta 152  Ta 152 C-3 · Ta 152 H-1
Blohm & Voss 
BV 155  BV 155 B-1
  Captured:
USA  ▀P-47D-16-RE · ▀P-47D
USSR  ▀La-5FN · ▀Yak-1B
Britain  ▀Tempest Mk V
Italy 
CR.42  ▀CR.42 · ▀Marcolin's C.R.42 CN
G.50  ▀G.50 serie 2 · ▀G.50 AS serie 7
C.200  ▀C. 200 serie 3 · ▀C. 200 serie 7
C.202  ▀C. 202
Finland  ▀Hawk H-75A-2

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