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The AMX ELC BIS's armour is only sufficient to protect against small arms fire, and the 2-man crew means there is little chance of survival if shot at. In particular, while the front hull armour and parts of the front turret armour are sufficient to protect against .50 cals, there are weak spots on the front turret with an effective thickness as low as 13 mm, notably around the driver, making any encounter with vehicles equipped with .50 cals potentially deadly, even at up to 1500 m. The ELC can survive low shots however, as both the engine and transmission sit in the front of tank, and thus can absorb most of the damage if directly hit.  
  
 
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
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| Hull || ___ mm || ___ mm ''Top'' <br> ___ mm ''Bottom'' || ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
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| Hull || 40 mm (79°) ''Top''
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40 mm (43°) ''Bottom''
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| ___ mm ''Top'' <br> ___ mm ''Bottom'' || ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
 
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| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
 
| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
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The AMX ELC BIS has a formidable top speed of 87 km/h (AB) and 80 km/h (RB/SB). However, it suffers from poor acceleration and speed retention through turns, which is particularly noticeable in RB/SB, where the ELC will in practice only reach 60 km/h at most even when fully upgraded. Thus, its mobility on the battlefield is comparable to the American [[M50]] and [[M56]], that both stand at the same BR, and is vastly inferior to the [[AML-90 (Family)|AML-90]]. The reverse speed is only of 10 km/h, too slow to escape dangerous encounters, which is something players must keep in mind when engaging enemies. In contrast, the ELC has a particularly good power-to-weight ratio, even when compared to other light vehicles of the same BR range.
  
 
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{{main|D915 (90 mm)}}
 
{{main|D915 (90 mm)}}
  
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The 90 mm D915 cannon is unremarkable, it is extremely similar to the 90 mm found on the [[AML-90 (Family)|AML-90]] or the [[Ratel 90]], and is unsuited for long range due to the poor ballistics of the HEAT-FS, and fails to make up for it in close quarters due to the average reload. In addition, stabilizing the gun after stopping takes a few seconds, making snapshots impossible.
  
 
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! ''Arcade''
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| rowspan="2" | 36 || rowspan="2" | -7°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±20° || rowspan="2" | N/A || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__
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| rowspan="2" | 36 || rowspan="2" | -7°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±20° || rowspan="2" | N/A || __._ || __._ || __._ || 49.1 || __._ || rowspan="2" | 8.7 || rowspan="2" | 7.7 || rowspan="2" | 7.1 || rowspan="2" | 6.7
 
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! ''Realistic''
 
! ''Realistic''
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| __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
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| __._ || __._ || __._ || 28.2 || __._
 
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! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 
! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 
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| OCC 60-62 || HEATFS || __ || __ || __ || __ || __ || __
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| OCC 60-62 || HEATFS || 320 || 320 || 320 || 320 || 320 || 320
 
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|-
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| OE 90 F1 || HE || __ || __ || __ || __ || __ || __
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| OE 90 F1 || HE || 13 || 13 || 13 || 13 || 13 || 13
 
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! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
 
! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
 
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| OCC 60-62 || HEATFS || ___ || _.__ || __ || _._ || ___ || __° || __° || __°
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| OCC 60-62 || HEATFS || 750 || 8.95 || 0.05 || 0.1 || 877.7 || 65° || 72° || 77°
 
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| OE 90 F1 || HE || ___ || _.__ || __ || _._ || ___ || __° || __° || __°
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| OE 90 F1 || HE || 640 || 10.45 || __ || 0.1 || 945 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 
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! Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
 
! Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
 
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| OFUM PH90-F2 || ___ || ____ || __ || __ || __ || ___
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| OFUM PH90-F2 || 640 || 10.2 || 13 || 5 || 20 || 50
 
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[[File:Ammo racks of the AMX ELC BIS.png|alt=Ammo racks of the AMX ELC BIS|thumb|Ammo racks of the AMX ELC BIS]]
  
 
==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 
==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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! Full<br>ammo
 
! Full<br>ammo
 
! 1st<br>rack empty
 
! 1st<br>rack empty
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! 2nd<br>rack empty
 
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! 3rd<br>rack empty
 
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! 4th<br>rack empty
 
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! 5th<br>rack empty
 
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! 6th<br>rack empty
 
 
! Visual<br>discrepancy
 
! Visual<br>discrepancy
 
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| '''36''' || 0&nbsp;''(+36)'' || No
 
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The AMX ELC BIS has only one ammo rack, located at the rear of the tank, just before the fuel tank. As such, there is no real survivability decrease by taking a full ammo load. Due to the low velocity of the HEAT-FS rounds, it is therefore optimal to take a full load when using the ELC at long range.
  
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
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{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}
 
{{main|MAC 31 (7.5 mm)}}
  
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The machine gun can only clear light obstacles, its primary use is to clear fences or other elements that would otherwise make your main gun shells detonate before reaching the target. Vehicles with exposed crew aren't particularly common at the ELC's battle rating, the main vehicles the ELC encounters where the machine gun can prove useful against are the American [[M56]] and [[M42 Duster (Family)|M42]].
  
 
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! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 
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| || 4800 (150) || 551 shots/min || (coaxial, same as gun) || (coaxial, same as gun)
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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Despite looking like one, it is important to remember that the AMX ELC BIS is ''not'' a light tank. It is strictly a tank destroyer, a fact highlighted by the absence of the scouting ability. The ELC is mobile but is generally slower than other light vehicles of the same BR, thus it is not really able to capture points early-on. The ELC excels in camouflage and in taking spots normally unattainable, and the gameplay generally revolves around this. The ELC is best not seen, .50 cals, which are common at the BR, can penetrate weak spots on the front turret and immediately kill the crew. In addition, the reload speed being simply average makes engaging multiple enemies not desirable; But in RB and SB, that is where the ELC's top-notch camouflaging ability comes into play, as the ELC can take the time to choose its targets carefully and patiently wait for the right time to strike. The slow reverse speed can be deadly if an engagement turns out dangerous, but this can be alleviated with a promptly-timed usage of the smoke grenades.  
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Very mobile
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* Mobile
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* Powerful gun
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* HEAT-FS rounds with 320 mm of penetration, making enemy armour not a concern
 
* Incredibly small profile, can hide in places that are simply impossible for other vehicles   
 
* Incredibly small profile, can hide in places that are simply impossible for other vehicles   
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* Top speed of 80 km/h
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* Formidable top speed of 80 km/h
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
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* Rarely reaches its top speed in RB and SB
 
* Rarely reaches its top speed in RB and SB
 
* Reverse speed is underwhelming for a light tank
 
* Reverse speed is underwhelming for a light tank
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* Weak top armour: 20mm cannons found on aircraft rip right through
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* Front turret weak spots make the ELC vulnerable to .50 cals even from the front
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* Weak top armour: 20 mm cannons found on aircraft rip right through, and .50 cals can easily kill the crew as well
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==

Revision as of 07:29, 31 March 2022

ELC bis
fr_amx_elc_bis.png
GarageImage ELC bis.jpg
ELC bis
France flag.png France
IV Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
6.0 6.0 6.0
Class:
Research:31 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:200 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
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Description

The AMX ELC bis (1961) is a rank IV French tank destroyer with a battle rating of 6.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "Wind of Change".

General info

Survivability and armour

Smoke grenades
Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle
Armourfront / side / back
Hull40 / 15 / 15
Turret30 / 8 / 8
Crew2 people
Visibility64 %

The AMX ELC BIS's armour is only sufficient to protect against small arms fire, and the 2-man crew means there is little chance of survival if shot at. In particular, while the front hull armour and parts of the front turret armour are sufficient to protect against .50 cals, there are weak spots on the front turret with an effective thickness as low as 13 mm, notably around the driver, making any encounter with vehicles equipped with .50 cals potentially deadly, even at up to 1500 m. The ELC can survive low shots however, as both the engine and transmission sit in the front of tank, and thus can absorb most of the damage if directly hit.

Armour type:

Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 40 mm (79°) Top

40 mm (43°) Bottom

___ mm Top
___ mm Bottom 		___ mm ___ - ___ mm
Turret ___ - ___ mm Turret front
___ mm Gun mantlet 		___ - ___ mm ___ - ___ mm ___ - ___ mm
Cupola ___ mm ___ mm ___ mm ___ mm

Notes:

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB87 / 38 km/h
RB and SB81 / 35 km/h
Number of gears6 forward
4 back
Weight8.9 t
Engine power
AB343 hp
RB and SB180 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB38.5 hp/t
RB and SB20.2 hp/t

The AMX ELC BIS has a formidable top speed of 87 km/h (AB) and 80 km/h (RB/SB). However, it suffers from poor acceleration and speed retention through turns, which is particularly noticeable in RB/SB, where the ELC will in practice only reach 60 km/h at most even when fully upgraded. Thus, its mobility on the battlefield is comparable to the American M50 and M56, that both stand at the same BR, and is vastly inferior to the AML-90. The reverse speed is only of 10 km/h, too slow to escape dangerous encounters, which is something players must keep in mind when engaging enemies. In contrast, the ELC has a particularly good power-to-weight ratio, even when compared to other light vehicles of the same BR range.

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 87 38 8.9 _,___ 343 __.__ 38.54
Realistic 81 35 _,___ 180 __.__ 20.22

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB3 297 → 4 279 Sl icon.png
RB3 832 → 4 973 Sl icon.png
SB5 020 → 6 515 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications52 800 Rp icon.png
91 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost1 700 Ge icon.png
Crew training57 000 Sl icon.png
Experts200 000 Sl icon.png
Aces800 Ge icon.png
Research Aces520 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
120 / 190 / 250 % Sl icon.png
172 / 172 / 172 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
Mods new tank traks.png
Tracks
Research:
3 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 000 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank suspension.png
Suspension
Research:
3 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
150 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank break.png
Brake System
Research:
3 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
150 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank filter.png
Filters
Research:
3 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 700 Sl icon.png
165 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank transmission.png
Transmission
Research:
5 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 800 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank engine.png
Engine
Research:
5 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 800 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png
Mods tank tool kit.png
Improved Parts
Research:
3 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 000 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mods extinguisher.png
Improved FPE
Research:
3 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
150 Ge icon.png
Mods tank reinforcement fr.png
Crew Replenishment
Research:
3 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 700 Sl icon.png
165 Ge icon.png
Mods smoke screen.png
Smoke grenade
Research:
5 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 800 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank horizontal aiming.png
Horizontal Drive
Research:
3 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 000 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mods tank cannon.png
Adjustment of Fire
Research:
3 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
150 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank vertical aiming.png
Elevation Mechanism
Research:
3 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 700 Sl icon.png
165 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
90mm_CN90_Smoke_ammo_pack
Research:
3 300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 700 Sl icon.png
165 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Main armament

90 mm D915 cannon
Ammunition53 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
8.7 → 6.7 s
Vertical guidance-8° / 13°
Horizontal guidance-20° / 20°
Main article: D915 (90 mm)

The 90 mm D915 cannon is unremarkable, it is extremely similar to the 90 mm found on the AML-90 or the Ratel 90, and is unsuited for long range due to the poor ballistics of the HEAT-FS, and fails to make up for it in close quarters due to the average reload. In addition, stabilizing the gun after stopping takes a few seconds, making snapshots impossible.

90 mm D915 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 36 -7°/+13° ±20° N/A __._ __._ __._ 49.1 __._ 8.7 7.7 7.1 6.7
Realistic __._ __._ __._ 28.2 __._

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
OCC 60-62 HEATFS 320 320 320 320 320 320
OE 90 F1 HE 13 13 13 13 13 13
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
Mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
OCC 60-62 HEATFS 750 8.95 0.05 0.1 877.7 65° 72° 77°
OE 90 F1 HE 640 10.45 __ 0.1 945 79° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
Mass (kg) 		Screen radius
(m) 		Screen deploy time
(s) 		Screen hold time
(s) 		Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
OFUM PH90-F2 640 10.2 13 5 20 50
File:Ammo racks of the AMX ELC BIS.png
Ammo racks of the AMX ELC BIS

Ammo racks

Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
36 0 (+36) No

The AMX ELC BIS has only one ammo rack, located at the rear of the tank, just before the fuel tank. As such, there is no real survivability decrease by taking a full ammo load. Due to the low velocity of the HEAT-FS rounds, it is therefore optimal to take a full load when using the ELC at long range.

Machine guns

7.5 mm AAT-52 machine gun (coaxial)
Ammunition4 800 rounds
Belt capacity200 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
6.5 → 5.0 s
Fire rate900 shots/min
Main article: MAC 31 (7.5 mm)

The machine gun can only clear light obstacles, its primary use is to clear fences or other elements that would otherwise make your main gun shells detonate before reaching the target. Vehicles with exposed crew aren't particularly common at the ELC's battle rating, the main vehicles the ELC encounters where the machine gun can prove useful against are the American M56 and M42.

7.5 mm MAC 31
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
4800 (150) 551 shots/min (coaxial, same as gun) (coaxial, same as gun)

Usage in battles

Despite looking like one, it is important to remember that the AMX ELC BIS is not a light tank. It is strictly a tank destroyer, a fact highlighted by the absence of the scouting ability. The ELC is mobile but is generally slower than other light vehicles of the same BR, thus it is not really able to capture points early-on. The ELC excels in camouflage and in taking spots normally unattainable, and the gameplay generally revolves around this. The ELC is best not seen, .50 cals, which are common at the BR, can penetrate weak spots on the front turret and immediately kill the crew. In addition, the reload speed being simply average makes engaging multiple enemies not desirable; But in RB and SB, that is where the ELC's top-notch camouflaging ability comes into play, as the ELC can take the time to choose its targets carefully and patiently wait for the right time to strike. The slow reverse speed can be deadly if an engagement turns out dangerous, but this can be alleviated with a promptly-timed usage of the smoke grenades.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Mobile
  • HEAT-FS rounds with 320 mm of penetration, making enemy armour not a concern
  • Incredibly small profile, can hide in places that are simply impossible for other vehicles
  • Formidable top speed of 80 km/h

Cons:

  • Cannot fully traverse the turret 360 degrees
  • Only 2 crew members, both sitting in a small turret: hits on the turret are nearly always fatal
  • Low muzzle velocity on the HEAT-FS shells - not suited as a sniper
  • Low gun elevation
  • Rarely reaches its top speed in RB and SB
  • Reverse speed is underwhelming for a light tank
  • Front turret weak spots make the ELC vulnerable to .50 cals even from the front
  • Weak top armour: 20 mm cannons found on aircraft rip right through, and .50 cals can easily kill the crew as well

History

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Media

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See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


France tank destroyers
Lorraine 40t derivatives  CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50
ATGM  MEPHISTO · AMX-10M
Other  AMR.35 ZT3 · Lorraine 37L · SAu 40 · ARL-44 · ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch · AuF1
USA  ▄M10 GMC · ▄M36B2

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