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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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After an 11-year hiatus, the West German Air Force was revived after Germany was brought into NATO to counter the Soviet threat. As part of the initiative to further arm countries in NATO, multiple countries like West Germany and Italy received hundreds of F-84F Thunderstreaks. The Luftwaffe received over 400 F-84Fs in the late 1950s and early 1960s. JagdBomberGeschwader 31 (JBG31) would be the first air wing with the F-84Fs. As more air wings received the Thunderstreaks, the accident rate went up as well. Germany had a 25+% loss rate with the new Thunderstreaks and the public complained about it. This trend would continue with the F-104, the next plane the Luftwaffe ordered to replace the F-84F in 1966.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].
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Introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]], the '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a decent strike aircraft that can carry 250 lb bombs up to 2,000 lb bombs along with rockets. The six centre-mounted M3 Browning machine guns are incredibly effective in taking out light pillboxes and other soft ground targets like anti-air or howitzers. However, the F-84F struggles with fighting other aircraft. The speed of the earlier F-84Gs is largely insignificant when it comes to the F-84F as many other planes in its BR bracket are much better in terms of performance. Ultimately, it's a good strike aircraft that suffers when it comes to defending itself or attacking other enemy players.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Flight performance ===
 
=== Flight performance ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
 
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''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''
 
  
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
 
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
 
! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at _,___ m)
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! colspan="2" | Max speed<br>(km/h at 0 m - sea level)
 
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! Stock
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| 1,090 || 1,067 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.7 || 30.9 || 30.7 || 28.8 || rowspan="2" | 2,000
 
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| 1,111 || 1,102 || 26.5 || 28.0 || 45.9 || 38.0
 
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
 
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
 
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| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || ✓     <!-- ✓ -->
 
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 533 || 515 || 417 || ~11 || ~3
 
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 
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| < 630 || < 600 || < 650 || N/A
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==== Engine performance ====
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! colspan="3" | Engine
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! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
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! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
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| colspan="2" | Wright J65-W-7 || 1
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| colspan="2" | 6,667 kg || colspan="2" | 279 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
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! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
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! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff<br>Weight
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! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
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! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 29m fuel
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| 1,260 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
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| 7,177 kg || 7,838 kg || 8,368 kg || 8,935 kg
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! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
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! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
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| ''Stationary'' || 3,470 kgf || N/A
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| 0.48 || 0.44 || 0.41 || 0.39
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| ''Optimal'' || 3,470 kgf<br>(0 km/h) || N/A
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| 0.48 || 0.44 || 0.41 || 0.39
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 
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The F-84F has three armoured pieces protecting the pilot. There is a 38 mm pane of bulletproof glass angled at 61° directly in front of the pilot. An 8 mm steel plate angled at 15° sits directly behind the pilot's seat and almost entirely covers the pilot directly from the rear. Lastly, there is a 12.7 mm steel plate angled at 56° right above and behind the pilot's head. The F-84F has six self-sealing fuel tanks. Two of the tanks sit near the wingtips, and another two are placed at the wing roots. Lastly, one fuel tank sits directly beneath the pilot and the final tank is behind the pilot. Although the F-84F does have armour and self-sealing fuel tanks, it's ultimately futile when many of its opponents have high-powered cannons like DEFAs or NR-23s.
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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For modifications, as with almost all jets in the German tree, performance and survivability mods should be priority, except for the booster which really is not all that necessary and lends itself to more wing rips. G-Suit is a must. The six .50 calibre guns are accurate enough baselines as is the ammo, so go for the bombs and/or rockets next.
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
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| {{Tick}} || {{Cross}} || {{Cross}} || {{Tick}}
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=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
 
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{{main|M3 Browning (12.7 mm)}}
 
{{main|M3 Browning (12.7 mm)}}
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=== Suspended armament ===
 
=== Suspended armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 
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{{main|LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)}}
 
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{{main|FFAR Mighty Mouse|HVAR}}
 
  
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 
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| rowspan="9" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_F-84F.png]]</div>
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! [[LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|250 lb LDGP Mk 81]] bombs
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! [[LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|500 lb LDGP Mk 82]] bombs
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! [[LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83]] bombs
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! [[LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)|2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84]] bombs
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| colspan="9" | Maximum permissible loadout weight: 2,700 kg<br>Maximum permissible wing load: 1,350 kg<br>Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 700 kg
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{{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
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{{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
  
 
* Without load
 
* Without load
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* 12 x HVAR rockets (inner pylons)
 
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* 12 x HVAR rockets (outer pylons)
 
 
* 24 x HVAR rockets
 
* 24 x HVAR rockets
 
* 42 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
 
* 42 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
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* 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
 
* 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
 
* 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (4,000 lb total)
 
* 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (4,000 lb total)
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* 4 x BLU-1 incendiary bombs
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{{Navigation-End}}
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The F-84F gets a bad rap, but it is a surprisingly fun aircraft to fly, more so once spaded. Unfortunately, unlike its American counterpart, the German F84F '''does not''' get an airspawn. Until the bombs are unlocked, use the advantage of the air spawn to climb and look for bombers. If no bombers are present, look for fighters engaging friendlies.
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Keep the F-84F's speed around 700 km/h when climbing. The aircraft has relatively good dive acceleration and top end for its BR. This makes it a natural for Boom and Run tactics. Make sure the plane is set up so the run is either toward the airfield or friendlies so that any chasers will be picked off by allies and or the airfield's anti-air defenses. Try to engage at as close to 1,000 km/h as possible and do not try to turn if the target goes evasive. This aircraft has terrible acceleration, so it is important to keep the F-84F's speed up. Quite often the F-84F will get chasers with AIM-9Bs. Keep a look out for them and use occasional hard manoeuvres to break lock. Fortunately, it does not take much to break lock of the AIM-9Bs.
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For the payload usage, the rockets, though inaccurate, are still fun to use en masse against targets, especially the Mighty Mouse rockets with a total of 42 rockets. However, the drag from the Mighty Mouse launchers is a problem. For bombs, the F-84F can effectively base bomb at the BR with the four 1,000 lb Mk 83s and be able to engage unsuspecting targets during the return to the airfield. Just remember, no turn fighting. When attempting to dive-bomb targets, use the air brakes to be able to adjust the planes better during its descent onto the target. When all bombs are expended and the F-84F begins their landing approach, use the air brake to help decelerate the plane to a manageable landing speed for the gears and flaps, then rely on the drogue chute to stop the plane on the airfield.
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The F-84F is equipped with an AN/APG-30 rangefinding radar, located in the nose of the aircraft.
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It will automatically detect other planes within the scanning area and display the range to the closest target. It is linked with a gyro gunsight and can help with aiming at close range.
  
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* 4 nose-mounted .50 cals plus 2 near the side of the airframe making accurate shots possible
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* A lot of variety of choices for ground ordnance
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* Good acceleration in a steep dive
  
 
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* Turning is below average so don't expect to last long in a dogfight with any aircraft
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* While turning, speed is bled a lot so maintain your speed
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* Will commonly face air-to-air missiles, any of which it has difficulty evading
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* Most jets will catch up to you due to the poor acceleration
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* The .50 cals are underpowered for its rank
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* The FFAR rockets are placed at the wing tips, this will result in poor accuracy
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
 
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=== '''[[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|Devblog]]''' ===
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In the late 1940’s, the manufacturer ‘Republic’ sought to improve the performance of the F-84 in order to bring it closer in line with the F-86 Sabre. As a result, it developed a new variant of the Thunderjet, designated F-84F. The new aircraft featured, among other changes, a new swept wing and a more powerful engine than its predecessor. Although Republic initially intended the new aircraft to be an extensive modernization of the base F-84, possessing a high degree of part compatibility with preceding variants, in the end, only less than 20% of the parts were interchangeable, resulting in the F-84F Thunderstreak becoming its own independent design.
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=== [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|Devblog]] ===
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In the late 1940's, the manufacturer 'Republic' sought to improve the performance of the F-84 in order to bring it closer in line with the F-86 Sabre. As a result, it developed a new variant of the Thunderjet, designated F-84F. The new aircraft featured, among other changes, a new swept wing and a more powerful engine than its predecessor. Although Republic initially intended the new aircraft to be an extensive modernization of the base F-84, possessing a high degree of part compatibility with preceding variants, in the end, only less than 20% of the parts were interchangeable, resulting in the F-84F Thunderstreak becoming its own independent design.
  
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Following its maiden flight in the early 1950’s, the F-84F was ordered into production. However, the USAF focus on strategic bombers at the time resulted in some critical component manufacturing processes being prioritized for bomber production, ultimately leading to a staggered production start of the new F-84F. 
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Following its maiden flight in the early 1950's, the F-84F was ordered into production. However, the USAF focus on strategic bombers at the time resulted in some critical component manufacturing processes being prioritized for bomber production, ultimately leading to a staggered production start of the new F-84F.
  
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The Thunderstreak officially entered service with the USAF in 1954, but was quickly phased out of active service due to engine issues before being reactivated in the early 1960’s as tensions between the two superpowers began to rise again. Ultimately, the F-84F kept flying under American colors well into the early 1970’s before finally being retired as newer aircraft replaced the Thunderstreak in active service.
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The Thunderstreak officially entered service with the USAF in 1954, but was quickly phased out of active service due to engine issues before being reactivated in the early 1960's as tensions between the two superpowers began to rise again. Ultimately, the F-84F kept flying under American colors well into the early 1970's before finally being retired as newer aircraft replaced the Thunderstreak in active service.
  
 
The F-84F was also widely exported to NATO members. Chiefly among them were Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Greece, China, the Netherlands as well as others. In total, well over 2,100 F-84F Thunderstreaks were built, with the Greek Air Force being the last to retire their F-84Fs in 1991.
 
The F-84F was also widely exported to NATO members. Chiefly among them were Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Greece, China, the Netherlands as well as others. In total, well over 2,100 F-84F Thunderstreaks were built, with the Greek Air Force being the last to retire their F-84Fs in 1991.
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== Media ==
 
== Media ==
 
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=f-84f_germany Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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<gallery mode="packed" caption="F-84F (Germany) Devblog Images" heights="200">
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File:F-84F (Germany) WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
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== See also ==
 
== See also ==
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* [[wt:en/news/6990-development-f-84f-thunderstreak-en|[Devblog] F-84F Thunderstreak]]
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* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/510660-f-84f-thunderstreak/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
  
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{{AirManufacturer Republic}}
 
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{{Germany jet aircraft}}

Latest revision as of 03:49, 25 November 2024

This page is about the German strike aircraft F-84F (Germany). For other versions, see F-84 (Family).
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◄F-84F
Germany flag.png Germany
VI Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
8.7 8.3 8.7
Class:
Research:135 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:380 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
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Description

After an 11-year hiatus, the West German Air Force was revived after Germany was brought into NATO to counter the Soviet threat. As part of the initiative to further arm countries in NATO, multiple countries like West Germany and Italy received hundreds of F-84F Thunderstreaks. The Luftwaffe received over 400 F-84Fs in the late 1950s and early 1960s. JagdBomberGeschwader 31 (JBG31) would be the first air wing with the F-84Fs. As more air wings received the Thunderstreaks, the accident rate went up as well. Germany had a 25+% loss rate with the new Thunderstreaks and the public complained about it. This trend would continue with the F-104, the next plane the Luftwaffe ordered to replace the F-84F in 1966.

Introduced in Update "Hot Tracks", the ◄F-84F Thunderstreak is a decent strike aircraft that can carry 250 lb bombs up to 2,000 lb bombs along with rockets. The six centre-mounted M3 Browning machine guns are incredibly effective in taking out light pillboxes and other soft ground targets like anti-air or howitzers. However, the F-84F struggles with fighting other aircraft. The speed of the earlier F-84Gs is largely insignificant when it comes to the F-84F as many other planes in its BR bracket are much better in terms of performance. Ultimately, it's a good strike aircraft that suffers when it comes to defending itself or attacking other enemy players.

General info

Flight performance

Air brakes
Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps
Drogue parachute
Reduces braking distance when landing on any runway
Max speed
at 0 m1 102 km/h
Turn time28 s
Max altitude12 500 m
EngineWright J65-W-7
TypeJet
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight9 t
Characteristics Max speed
(km/h at 0 m - sea level) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 1,090 1,067 12500 29.7 30.9 30.7 28.8 2,000
Upgraded 1,111 1,102 26.5 28.0 45.9 38.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear Drogue chute
✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ X ✓
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
1187 417 533 515 417 ~11 ~3
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 630 < 600 < 650 N/A

Engine performance

Engine Aircraft mass
Engine name Number Basic mass Wing loading (full fuel)
Wright J65-W-7 1 6,667 kg 279 kg/m2
Engine characteristics Mass with fuel (no weapons load) Max Takeoff
Weight
Weight (each) Type 8m fuel 20m fuel 29m fuel
1,260 kg Axial-flow turbojet 7,177 kg 7,838 kg 8,368 kg 8,935 kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB) Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
Condition 100% WEP 8m fuel 20m fuel 29m fuel MTOW
Stationary 3,470 kgf N/A 0.48 0.44 0.41 0.39
Optimal 3,470 kgf
(0 km/h) 		N/A 0.48 0.44 0.41 0.39

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural1 187 km/h
Gear417 km/h

The F-84F has three armoured pieces protecting the pilot. There is a 38 mm pane of bulletproof glass angled at 61° directly in front of the pilot. An 8 mm steel plate angled at 15° sits directly behind the pilot's seat and almost entirely covers the pilot directly from the rear. Lastly, there is a 12.7 mm steel plate angled at 56° right above and behind the pilot's head. The F-84F has six self-sealing fuel tanks. Two of the tanks sit near the wingtips, and another two are placed at the wing roots. Lastly, one fuel tank sits directly beneath the pilot and the final tank is behind the pilot. Although the F-84F does have armour and self-sealing fuel tanks, it's ultimately futile when many of its opponents have high-powered cannons like DEFAs or NR-23s.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB3 024 → 4 085 Sl icon.png
RB8 501 → 11 484 Sl icon.png
SB10 207 → 13 789 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications120 400 Rp icon.png
194 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost2 300 Ge icon.png
Crew training110 000 Sl icon.png
Experts380 000 Sl icon.png
Aces2 000 Ge icon.png
Research Aces830 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
110 / 310 / 600 % Sl icon.png
208 / 208 / 208 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
4 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
7 600 Sl icon.png
250 Ge icon.png
Mods jet compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
4 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
7 600 Sl icon.png
250 Ge icon.png
Mods booster.png
New boosters
Research:
6 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
350 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
7 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
390 Ge icon.png
Mods jet engine.png
Engine
Research:
7 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
390 Ge icon.png
Mods g suit.png
G-suit
Research:
9 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
16 000 Sl icon.png
510 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
6 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
350 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
9 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
16 000 Sl icon.png
510 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
bmg50_belt_pack
Research:
4 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
7 600 Sl icon.png
250 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods napalm fire bomb.png
BLU-1
Research:
4 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
7 600 Sl icon.png
250 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
Mk81
Research:
4 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
7 600 Sl icon.png
250 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon rocket.png
FRC mk.2
Research:
6 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
350 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
Mk82
Research:
6 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
350 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
bmg50_new_gun
Research:
7 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
390 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
Mk83
Research:
7 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
390 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon block rocket.png
Aero X-6A
Research:
9 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
16 000 Sl icon.png
510 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
Mk84
Research:
9 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
16 000 Sl icon.png
510 Ge icon.png

For modifications, as with almost all jets in the German tree, performance and survivability mods should be priority, except for the booster which really is not all that necessary and lends itself to more wing rips. G-Suit is a must. The six .50 calibre guns are accurate enough baselines as is the ammo, so go for the bombs and/or rockets next.

Armaments

Ballistic Computer
CCIP (Guns) CCIP (Rockets) CCIP (Bombs) CCRP (Bombs)
Icon GreenCheckmark.png Icon RedXCross.png Icon RedXCross.png Icon GreenCheckmark.png

Offensive armament

Main article: M3 Browning (12.7 mm)

The F-84F (Germany) is armed with:

  • 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
  • 2 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)

Suspended armament

The F-84F (Germany) can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Hardpoints F-84F.png
250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs 1 1 1 1
500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs 1 1 1 1
1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs 1 1 1 1
2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs 1 1 1 1
BLU-1 incendiary bombs 1 1 1 1
FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets 7 7 7 7 7 7
HVAR rockets 2 2 2 6 6 2 2 2
Maximum permissible loadout weight: 2,700 kg
Maximum permissible wing load: 1,350 kg
Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 700 kg
Default weapon presets
  • Without load
  • 24 x HVAR rockets
  • 42 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
  • 4 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (1,000 lb total)
  • 4 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (2,000 lb total)
  • 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
  • 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (4,000 lb total)
  • 4 x BLU-1 incendiary bombs

Usage in battles

The F-84F gets a bad rap, but it is a surprisingly fun aircraft to fly, more so once spaded. Unfortunately, unlike its American counterpart, the German F84F does not get an airspawn. Until the bombs are unlocked, use the advantage of the air spawn to climb and look for bombers. If no bombers are present, look for fighters engaging friendlies.

Keep the F-84F's speed around 700 km/h when climbing. The aircraft has relatively good dive acceleration and top end for its BR. This makes it a natural for Boom and Run tactics. Make sure the plane is set up so the run is either toward the airfield or friendlies so that any chasers will be picked off by allies and or the airfield's anti-air defenses. Try to engage at as close to 1,000 km/h as possible and do not try to turn if the target goes evasive. This aircraft has terrible acceleration, so it is important to keep the F-84F's speed up. Quite often the F-84F will get chasers with AIM-9Bs. Keep a look out for them and use occasional hard manoeuvres to break lock. Fortunately, it does not take much to break lock of the AIM-9Bs.

For the payload usage, the rockets, though inaccurate, are still fun to use en masse against targets, especially the Mighty Mouse rockets with a total of 42 rockets. However, the drag from the Mighty Mouse launchers is a problem. For bombs, the F-84F can effectively base bomb at the BR with the four 1,000 lb Mk 83s and be able to engage unsuspecting targets during the return to the airfield. Just remember, no turn fighting. When attempting to dive-bomb targets, use the air brakes to be able to adjust the planes better during its descent onto the target. When all bombs are expended and the F-84F begins their landing approach, use the air brake to help decelerate the plane to a manageable landing speed for the gears and flaps, then rely on the drogue chute to stop the plane on the airfield.

Radars

The F-84F is equipped with an AN/APG-30 rangefinding radar, located in the nose of the aircraft. It will automatically detect other planes within the scanning area and display the range to the closest target. It is linked with a gyro gunsight and can help with aiming at close range.

AN/APG-30 - Rangefinding radar
Maximum
Tracking
Range 		Minimum
Tracking
Range 		Azimuth Tracking
Angle 		Elevation Tracking
Angle
2,750 m 300 m ±9° ±9°

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • 4 nose-mounted .50 cals plus 2 near the side of the airframe making accurate shots possible
  • A lot of variety of choices for ground ordnance
  • Good acceleration in a steep dive

Cons:

  • Turning is below average so don't expect to last long in a dogfight with any aircraft
  • While turning, speed is bled a lot so maintain your speed
  • Will commonly face air-to-air missiles, any of which it has difficulty evading
  • Most jets will catch up to you due to the poor acceleration
  • The .50 cals are underpowered for its rank
  • The FFAR rockets are placed at the wing tips, this will result in poor accuracy

History

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Devblog

In the late 1940's, the manufacturer 'Republic' sought to improve the performance of the F-84 in order to bring it closer in line with the F-86 Sabre. As a result, it developed a new variant of the Thunderjet, designated F-84F. The new aircraft featured, among other changes, a new swept wing and a more powerful engine than its predecessor. Although Republic initially intended the new aircraft to be an extensive modernization of the base F-84, possessing a high degree of part compatibility with preceding variants, in the end, only less than 20% of the parts were interchangeable, resulting in the F-84F Thunderstreak becoming its own independent design.

Following its maiden flight in the early 1950's, the F-84F was ordered into production. However, the USAF focus on strategic bombers at the time resulted in some critical component manufacturing processes being prioritized for bomber production, ultimately leading to a staggered production start of the new F-84F.

The Thunderstreak officially entered service with the USAF in 1954, but was quickly phased out of active service due to engine issues before being reactivated in the early 1960's as tensions between the two superpowers began to rise again. Ultimately, the F-84F kept flying under American colors well into the early 1970's before finally being retired as newer aircraft replaced the Thunderstreak in active service.

The F-84F was also widely exported to NATO members. Chiefly among them were Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Greece, China, the Netherlands as well as others. In total, well over 2,100 F-84F Thunderstreaks were built, with the Greek Air Force being the last to retire their F-84Fs in 1991.

Media

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Images
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See also

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  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
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External links


Republic Aviation Corporation
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  P-47D-22-RE · P-47D-25 · P-47D-28 · P-47M-1-RE · ⋠P-47M-1-RE · P-47N-15
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  ◄F-84F · ▄F-84F (Italy) · ▄F-84F (France) · F-84F IAF · F-84F
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  *The company was named "Seversky Aircraft Company" before being renamed in 1939

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