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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{specs|rank}} French heavy tank {{Battle-rating|1}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. On the battlefield, the vehicle is very easy to recognize due to its shape which simply cannot be mistaken for another French tank.
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The AMX-50 Surbaisse differs from every heavy tank in its general playstyle, since it has rather thin armour which will not protect it against incoming enemy fire, you have to use its medium tank like mobility to perform deadly flank attacks which will often prove very deadly for the enemy team. Indeed, since you can keep up with most medium tanks and even outpace some, especially the British medium tanks, many enemies will find themselves completely caught off guard and at the mercy of your autoloading 120 mm gun which will allow you to kill one tank every 7.5 seconds. The tank is also a great long range sniper (1,500 meters and beyond) as it comes equipped with a rangefinder that will allow you to range very quickly distant targets and deliver deadly and accurate shots upon them, also at such distances your armour will start to be difficult to penetrate for most lower rank gun you'll encounter. Overall this tank, while being a heavy tank, is not meant to be played as such since it does not behave as such. You must use your mobility and your accurate fast firing armament to prove effective against the enemies you'll come across
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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'''Armour type:'''
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* Cast homogeneous armour
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* Rolled homogeneous armour (Hull sides, Hull rear, Hull roof)
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{| class="wikitable"
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|-
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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|-
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| Hull || 60 mm (30-85°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 100 mm (8-57°) ''Joint plate'' <br> 60 mm (21-74°) ''Bottom glacis''|| 30-60 mm (0-23°) ''Top'' <br> 30 mm ''Bottom'' || 30 mm (0-50°) || 20 mm
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|-
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| Turret || - || 60 mm ''Turret'' <br> 40-60 mm (0-12°) ''Turret base'' || 40 mm (0-30°) ''Turret bustle'' <br> 20 mm (21-31°) ''Pivot ball'' <br> 10 mm (69-76°) ''Turret underside''  || 20 mm
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|-
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! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
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|-
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| Cupola || 60 mm || 20 mm
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|}
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'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 30 mm thick.
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* Wheels are interleaved to offer stacked protection values.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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!colspan="3" | Mobility characteristic
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|-
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! Weight (tons)
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!colspan="1" | Add-on Armour<br>weight (tons)
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!colspan="1" | Max speed (km/h)
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|-
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|rowspan="2" | 57.8 || colspan="1" rowspan="2" | N/A || colspan="1" | 55 (AB)
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|-
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|51 (RB/SB)
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|-
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!colspan="3" | Engine power (horsepower)
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|-
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!colspan="1" | Mode
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
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|-
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|''Arcade''
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|1,097
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|_,___
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|-
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
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|752
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|_,___
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|-
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!colspan="3" | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
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|-
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!colspan="1" | Mode
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
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|-
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|''Arcade''
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|18.98
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|__.__
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|-
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
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|13.01
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|__.__
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|-
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|}
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{main|SA46 (120 mm)}}
  
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=== Additional armament ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="6" | [[SA46 (120 mm)|120 mm SA46]]
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|-
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! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
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|-
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| colspan="3" | 38 || -8°/+14° || ±180° || N/A
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|-
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
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|-
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! style="width:4em" |Mode
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! style="width:4em" |Stock
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! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
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|-
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| ''Arcade'' || 17.9 || 24.7 || 28.9 || 33.2 || 35.3
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|-
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| ''Realistic'' || 17.9 || 22.1 || 25.7 || 28.4 || 30.0
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|-
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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|-
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
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|-
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| 50.0 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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|-
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|}
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===== Ammunition =====
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 90°'''
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|-
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! 10m
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! 100m
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! 500m
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! 1000m
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! 1500m
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! 2000m
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|-
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| 100 mm Obus de rupture || AP || 303 || 302 || 286 || 267 || 251 || 235
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|-
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| 100 mm Obus explosif || HE || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39
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|-
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|}
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
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|-
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
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''in m:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
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''in mm:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
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! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
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|-
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! 0%
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! 50%
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! 100%
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|-
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| 120 mm Obus de rupture || AP || 1067 || 23 || N/A || N/A || N/A || ° || 48° || 63° || 71°
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|-
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| 120 mm Obus explosif || HE || 762 || 23 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 4,650 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
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|-
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|}
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===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
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[[File:Ammoracks {{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumbnail|x250px|[[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}.]]
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full<br /> ammo
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |5th<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |6th<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual<br /> discrepancy
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|-
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|| '''38''' || XX&nbsp;''(X+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || style="text-align:left" | no
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|-
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|}
  
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
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{{main|AAT-52 (7.5 mm)}}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="7" | [[AAT-52 (7.5 mm)|7.5 mm AAT-52]]
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|-
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! colspan="7" | ''Coaxial mount''
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|-
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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|-
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| colspan="4" | 3,000 (200) || 900 || N/A || N/A
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|-
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|}
  
 
== Usage in the battles ==
 
== Usage in the battles ==
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''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
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Playing the AMX 50 Surbaisse requires 2 things :
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* Good map knowledges
 +
* Gunnery discipline
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 +
As mentioned previously, the AMX 50 Surbaisse is not a heavy, that probably is something you'll learn the hard way while playing your first matches in this tank. You have to play it like a medium tank and you always should try to look for a good flanking route that will eventually get you to a spot where you'll be able to decimate several tanks of the enemy team form the side of from behind. As a result this tank requires a lot of forethinking before deciding which way to go and this decision must be taken in accordance to the map but also in accordance to what nation you face. The tank can also be used as a very effective long range snipers especially in downtiers. The combination of fast firing 120 mm gun and rangefinder can prove very effective especially at range over 1,500 meters where your armour will start to matter especially against lower tiered opponent such as Tiger II's. To turn this vehicle into a deadly sniping machine, it is very much advised to bind rangefinding keys and sight adjustment that are intuitive to you. In this way you will be able to range targets and adjust the gun very accurately in such a way that, with practice and discipline will grant you the ability to deliver shots in a "Point aimed, Point hit" fashion.
 +
 
 +
Every enemy you can encounter which do not result from deliberate uptiers from the enemy can and will easily get through your armour. The tank's armour cannot withstand guns that are more powerful than the German 7.5 cm KwK 42 or the US 90 mm M3 gun
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
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*
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* Autoloading '''120 mm gun'''
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* Downtime between shots is minimal
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* Large ammo count per magazine ('''19''' shots)
 +
* Same stock ammo as the [[120 mm Gun Tank M103|M103]]
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* Extremely fast turret rotation speed when upgraded, especially for a heavy tank (characteristic of oscillating turrets)
 +
* Decently fast
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
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*
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* Laughable armour for heavy tank standards at it's BR
 +
* Gun elevation & depression angles are poor (also characteristic of oscillating turrets)
 +
* Carrying 2 magazines leaves ammo '''everywhere''' in the tank
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* Only 2 ammo choices, AP & HE
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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== Read also ==
 
== Read also ==
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''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example,''
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* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/5274-vehicle-amx-50-surbaiss%C3%A9-en [Vehicles<nowiki>]</nowiki> AMX-50 Surbaissé]
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* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
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* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
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''ETC.''
 
  
 
== Sources ==
 
== Sources ==
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* ''topic on the official game forum;''
 
* ''topic on the official game forum;''
 
* ''other literature.''
 
* ''other literature.''
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{{French heavy tanks}}

Revision as of 05:10, 16 December 2018

AMX-50 Surbaissé
fr_amx_50_surbaisse.png
AMX-50 Surbaissé
France flag.png France
V Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
7.7 7.7 7.7
Class:
Research:120 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:340 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
Show in game

Description

GarageImage AMX-50 Surbaissé.jpg


The AMX-50 Surbaissé is a Rank V French heavy tank with a battle rating of 7.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.75 "La Résistance". On the battlefield, the vehicle is very easy to recognize due to its shape which simply cannot be mistaken for another French tank.

The AMX-50 Surbaisse differs from every heavy tank in its general playstyle, since it has rather thin armour which will not protect it against incoming enemy fire, you have to use its medium tank like mobility to perform deadly flank attacks which will often prove very deadly for the enemy team. Indeed, since you can keep up with most medium tanks and even outpace some, especially the British medium tanks, many enemies will find themselves completely caught off guard and at the mercy of your autoloading 120 mm gun which will allow you to kill one tank every 7.5 seconds. The tank is also a great long range sniper (1,500 meters and beyond) as it comes equipped with a rangefinder that will allow you to range very quickly distant targets and deliver deadly and accurate shots upon them, also at such distances your armour will start to be difficult to penetrate for most lower rank gun you'll encounter. Overall this tank, while being a heavy tank, is not meant to be played as such since it does not behave as such. You must use your mobility and your accurate fast firing armament to prove effective against the enemies you'll come across

General info

Survivability and armour

Armour type:

  • Cast homogeneous armour
  • Rolled homogeneous armour (Hull sides, Hull rear, Hull roof)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 60 mm (30-85°) Front glacis
100 mm (8-57°) Joint plate
60 mm (21-74°) Bottom glacis		 30-60 mm (0-23°) Top
30 mm Bottom 		30 mm (0-50°) 20 mm
Turret - 60 mm Turret
40-60 mm (0-12°) Turret base 		40 mm (0-30°) Turret bustle
20 mm (21-31°) Pivot ball
10 mm (69-76°) Turret underside 		20 mm
Armour Sides Roof
Cupola 60 mm 20 mm

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 30 mm thick.
  • Wheels are interleaved to offer stacked protection values.

Mobility

Mobility characteristic
Weight (tons) Add-on Armour
weight (tons) 		Max speed (km/h)
57.8 N/A 55 (AB)
51 (RB/SB)
Engine power (horsepower)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 1,097 _,___
Realistic/Simulator 752 _,___
Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 18.98 __.__
Realistic/Simulator 13.01 __.__

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: SA46 (120 mm)
120 mm SA46
Capacity Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance 		Stabilizer
38 -8°/+14° ±180° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade 17.9 24.7 28.9 33.2 35.3
Realistic 17.9 22.1 25.7 28.4 30.0
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
50.0 __.__ __.__ __.__
Ammunition
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration in mm @ 90°
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
100 mm Obus de rupture AP 303 302 286 267 251 235
100 mm Obus explosif HE 39 39 39 39 39 39
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent): 		Normalization At 30°
from horizontal: 		Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
120 mm Obus de rupture AP 1067 23 N/A N/A N/A ° 48° 63° 71°
120 mm Obus explosif HE 762 23 0.1 0.1 4,650 +0° 79° 80° 81°
Ammo racks
Ammo racks of the AMX-50 Surbaisse.
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
38 XX (X+)  (+)  (+)  (+)  (+)  (+) no

Machine guns

Main article: AAT-52 (7.5 mm)
7.5 mm AAT-52
Coaxial mount
Capacity (Belt capacity) Fire rate
(shots/minute) 		Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance
3,000 (200) 900 N/A N/A

Usage in the battles

Playing the AMX 50 Surbaisse requires 2 things :

  • Good map knowledges
  • Gunnery discipline

As mentioned previously, the AMX 50 Surbaisse is not a heavy, that probably is something you'll learn the hard way while playing your first matches in this tank. You have to play it like a medium tank and you always should try to look for a good flanking route that will eventually get you to a spot where you'll be able to decimate several tanks of the enemy team form the side of from behind. As a result this tank requires a lot of forethinking before deciding which way to go and this decision must be taken in accordance to the map but also in accordance to what nation you face. The tank can also be used as a very effective long range snipers especially in downtiers. The combination of fast firing 120 mm gun and rangefinder can prove very effective especially at range over 1,500 meters where your armour will start to matter especially against lower tiered opponent such as Tiger II's. To turn this vehicle into a deadly sniping machine, it is very much advised to bind rangefinding keys and sight adjustment that are intuitive to you. In this way you will be able to range targets and adjust the gun very accurately in such a way that, with practice and discipline will grant you the ability to deliver shots in a "Point aimed, Point hit" fashion.

Every enemy you can encounter which do not result from deliberate uptiers from the enemy can and will easily get through your armour. The tank's armour cannot withstand guns that are more powerful than the German 7.5 cm KwK 42 or the US 90 mm M3 gun

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Autoloading 120 mm gun
  • Downtime between shots is minimal
  • Large ammo count per magazine (19 shots)
  • Same stock ammo as the M103
  • Extremely fast turret rotation speed when upgraded, especially for a heavy tank (characteristic of oscillating turrets)
  • Decently fast

Cons:

  • Laughable armour for heavy tank standards at it's BR
  • Gun elevation & depression angles are poor (also characteristic of oscillating turrets)
  • Carrying 2 magazines leaves ammo everywhere in the tank
  • Only 2 ammo choices, AP & HE

History

Media

An excellent addition to the article will be video guides, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.

Read also

Sources

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • other literature.

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