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The {{PAGENAME}} has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-calibre rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 20 mm gun) is completely standing in the open. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour. | The {{PAGENAME}} has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-calibre rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 20 mm gun) is completely standing in the open. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour. | ||
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== Armaments == | == Armaments == | ||
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Revision as of 09:29, 28 December 2020
Contents
Description
The Lorraine automoteur de 155 mm modèle 1950 (shortened as Lorraine 155 Mle.50) is a premium gift rank III French tank destroyer
with a battle rating of 4.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm" as a reward during the 2018 WW2 Chronicles.
General info
Survivability and armour
Armourfront / side / back
Hull16 / 16 / 10
Turret16 / 16 / 10
Crew6 people
Visibility133 %
The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-calibre rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 20 mm gun) is completely standing in the open. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.
Armour type:
- Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, superstructure)
- Wheel (tires)
- Structural steel (gun mount, gun breech, mudguards)
| Armour | Front (Slope angle) | Sides | Rear | Roof |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hull | 16 mm (70°) Upper glacis - Top 16 mm (60°) Upper glacis - Bottom 16 mm (cylindrical) Transmission housing 16 mm (73°) Lower glacis - Centre 20 mm (31°) Lower glacis - Sides |
16 mm | 10 mm Upper plate 10 mm (42°) Lower glacis |
16 mm (20°) Front glacis 10 mm Centre & Rear 10+10 mm Radiator vent covers |
| Superstructure | 16 mm (21°) Front glacis 10 mm (cylindrical) Gun shield |
16 mm (30°) 16 mm (21-48°) Left ammo rack bulge |
10 mm Sides | 10 mm |
| Cupola | N/A | 10 mm (cylindrical) | N/A | |
Notes:
- Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
- Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
- Gun breech is 150 mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25mm.
- Gun carriage around the gun is 20 mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40 mm thick.
Mobility
Speedforward / back
AB60 / 8 km/h
RB and SB55 / 8 km/h
Number of gears5 forward
1 back
Weight30.0 t
Engine power
AB1 145 hp
RB and SB600 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB38.2 hp/t
RB and SB20.0 hp/t
| Game Mode | Max Speed (km/h) | Weight (tons) | Engine power (horsepower) | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Forward | Reverse | Stock | Upgraded | Stock | Upgraded | ||
| Arcade | 60 | 8 | 30 | 639 | 1,145 | 21.3 | 38.17 |
| Realistic | 55 | 8 | 398 | 600 | 13.27 | 20 | |
Modifications and economy
Repair cost
AB835 
RB1 033
SB1 309
Crew training10 000
Experts165 000
Aces470 
Research Aces710 000 
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
2 × 90 / 130 / 170 % 2 × 148 / 148 / 148 % | Mobility | Protection | Firepower | ||||||||||||||||||||
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Armaments
Main armament
Ammunition30 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
26.0 → 20.0 s
Vertical guidance-5° / 67°
Horizontal guidance-20° / 20°
Ammunition500 rounds
Belt capacity250 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
13.0 → 10.0 s
Fire rate701 shots/min
Vertical guidance-8° / 45°
| 155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 | Turret rotation speed (°/s) | Reloading rate (seconds) | |||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mode | Capacity | Vertical | Horizontal | Stabilizer | Stock | Upgraded | Full | Expert | Aced | Stock | Full | Expert | Aced |
| Arcade | 30 | -5°/+67° | ±20° | N/A | 5.3 | 7.3 | 8.9 | 9.8 | 10.5 | 26.00 | 23.00 | 21.20 | 20.00 |
| Realistic | 3.6 | 4.2 | 5.1 | 5.6 | 6.0 | ||||||||
Ammunition
| Penetration statistics | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
| M107 | HE | 54 | 54 | 54 | 54 | 54 | 54 |
| Shell details | |||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile Mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | |||||||
| M107 | HE | 563 | 43.1 | 0.0 | 0.1 | 6,860 | 79° | 80° | 81° |
| Smoke shell characteristics | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile Mass (kg) |
Screen radius (m) |
Screen deploy time (s) |
Screen hold time (s) |
Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
| M110 | 563 | 40.8 | 25 | 5 | 30 | 50 |
Ammo racks
Ammo racks of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50
| Full ammo |
1st rack empty |
2nd rack empty |
3rd rack empty |
4th rack empty |
5th rack empty |
6th rack empty |
7th rack empty |
8th rack empty |
Visual discrepancy |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 30 | 29 (+1) | 27 (+3) | 23 (+7) | 18 (+12) | 15 (+15) | 9 (+21) | 6 (+24) | 1 (+29) | Yes |
Notes:
- Projectiles and propellant charges are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
- The visual discrepancy concerns the total number of shells as well as the number of shells per rack:
- 28 shells are modeled but you can pack 30 shells.
- Rack 8 is modeled as 3 shells but contains 5 shells.
- Recommended loadout: 9 (+21) shells. It keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.
Machine guns
| 20 mm MG151/20 | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mount | Capacity (Belt) | Fire rate | Vertical | Horizontal |
| Roof cupola | 400 (250) | 701 | -8°/+45° | ±180° |
The roof-mounted MG 151/20 autocannon is very good at knocking out tracks, punching through lightly armoured vehicles and shooting down low-flying aircraft. Use it sparsely because of its low ammo count. When losing a crew member, the machine gunner is used to replace other crew members, meaning that you can't use the 20 mm cannon anymore.
Usage in battles
The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.
Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:
- Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
- Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.
Modules
| Tier | Mobility | Protection | Firepower | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| I | Tracks | Parts | Horizontal Drive | M110 | |
| II | Suspension | Brake System | FPE | Adjustment of Fire | |
| III | Filters | Crew Replenishment | Elevation Mechanism | ||
| IV | Transmission | Engine | |||
| This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase | |||||
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
- Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
- Decent mobility
- Good reverse speed
Cons:
- Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
- Despite thin armor, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
- Large profile
- Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
- If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
- No AP shells, only HE shells
- Bad gun depression of 5°
History
Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.
Media
- Skins
- Videos
High-explosive power discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 at 0:50 - War Thunder Official Channel
The Shooting Range #96 - Metal Beasts section at 00:39 discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.
Lorraine 155 Mle.50 - Absolute unit - Oxy
Lorraine 155 Mle.50 Tank Review - NUSensei
See also
- Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
- Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
External links
| France tank destroyers | |
|---|---|
| Lorraine 40t derivatives | CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50 |
| ATGM | MEPHISTO · AMX-10M |
| Other | AMR.35 ZT3 · Lorraine 37L · SAu 40 · ARL-44 · ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch · AuF1 |
| USA | ▄M10 GMC · ▄M36B2 |
| France premium ground vehicles | |
|---|---|
| Light tanks | AMD.35 (SA35) · H.39 "Cambronne" · LVT-4/40 · AMX-13 (SS.11) · AMX-13-M24 · E.B.R. (1954) · E.B.R. (1963) · VBCI-2 (MCT30) |
| Medium tanks | M4A1 (FL10) · Panther "Dauphiné" · AMX-30 · AMX-30 Super · AMX-50 (TO90/930) |
| Heavy tanks | B1 ter · 2C bis · Somua SM |
| Tank destroyers | Lorraine 155 Mle.50 |
