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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "La Royale"]].
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The '''{{Specs|name}}'''(Chinese: 歼-8F型歼击机; unified NATO codename: Finback 长须鲸) was the final combat variant of J-8 series interceptor built by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC, 沈飞) from the remaining airframes of J-8II or upgraded from previous J-8D by mid-2000s . The project needs to be trace back to the J-8C (or J-8III) project for domestic avionic upgrades for J-8II; although the unreliable WP-14 engine ruin the whole project, the radar systems was tested rather successfully and marked the completion of domestic PD radar. By the end of 20th Century, the plans for Project 12 (PL-12) was also on schedule for domestic ARH AAM; thus the placeholder aircraft: J-8H with a new radar joined PLAAF with PL-11 SARH, while the J-8F with a modified radar based on the former radar and new NATO-equivalent FCS main bus finalized by 2005 and became one of the cornerstone of PLAAF until new interceptors replaced them by June 2022.
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Introduced in [[Update "La Royale"]] as the first Chinese domestic jet with PD radar, J-8F featured new IR AAMs and finally supports full missile configuration for all available wing pylons; the jet is also upgraded with new engines with higher thrust and J-8II's signature differential elevators for better roll rate. Although the star of the show: its capability to launch ARH AAM has yet to make it into the game*, the new PL-8 missile and avionics will not disappoint players.
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<small>'''*Note: as stated in [[wt:en/news/8271-development-j-8f-jet-fighter-and-future-plans-on-the-bvraams-en|J-8F's devblog]]; due to the removal of a certain radar electronic, J-8F could not guide PL-11.'''</small>
  
 
== General info ==
 
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Like most jets of its era, J-8F still retained certain degree of extra protection due to its late introduction at early 2000s on a rather obsolete airframe; meanwhile some standard equipment like self-sealing tanks are still present.
  
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
 
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==== Custom loadout options ====
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| rowspan="6" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_J-8B.png]]</div>
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! Type 90-1 rockets
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! 250 kg Type 250-3 bombs
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! 250 kg Type 250-4 bombs
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! 500 kg Type 500-4 bombs
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| colspan="8" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 1,000 kg
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For players who are very familiar with the loadouts on J-8B,85% (6 out of 7) of its available weaponries are identical on both jets with PL-8 (licensed Rafael Python-3) being the exception. Due to the lack of radar-guided missiles, some players might find this a huge drawback that they will have to get close enough to enemy jets to even launch IR AAMs at the first place; but PL-8 become the game-changer to J-8F, not only it has the best all-aspect locking range among NATO equivalents, J-8F is also equipped with HMD for off-bore launches; a full-loadout with 6 PL-8 can be a nightmare for enemy team if utilized carefully. The old friend PL-5B still serves as its default missiles; although it might be obsolete at its BR ranges, but careful launches on careless targets would still earn a victory on even NATO/Warsaw-Pact jets.
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The ground-attack loadout is totally identical to J-8B though, with varieties of bombs and rocket at disposal; although neither the caliber nor explosive content of the Type 90-1 HEAT rocket is good for hunting down enemy MBTs even with a precise hit, they could still served as an extra card on hand alongside with its -3 series low drag GP bombs or -4 series drag chute retard bombs where the bombs would certainly be more effective against more valuable targets such as MBTs while leaving vulnerable SPAA systems for rockets, sometimes bases in case having the need for extra income.
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* Rather high overall engine thrusts
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* First domestic jet to equip PD radar with sufficient detection capabilities
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* Equipped with HMD for off-bore launches
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* 6 powerful PL-8 with very long lock-on range and high overload
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* Sufficient payload for occasional ground-attack operations
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* Retained the same, if not better maneuverability from J-8B
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* High top speed
  
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* Lacks any form of radar-guided weaponries
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* Rather large target due to its long airframe
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* Relatively small ammo pool
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* Delta wing design and its size bleeds speed serenely in maneuvers
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{{China jet aircraft}}
 
{{China jet aircraft}}

Revision as of 18:06, 15 June 2023

J-8F
j_8f.png
GarageImage J-8F.jpg
J-8F
China flag.png China
VIII Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
13.0 13.0 13.0
Class:
Research:400 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:1 080 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
Show in game

Description

The J-8F(Chinese: 歼-8F型歼击机; unified NATO codename: Finback 长须鲸) was the final combat variant of J-8 series interceptor built by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC, 沈飞) from the remaining airframes of J-8II or upgraded from previous J-8D by mid-2000s . The project needs to be trace back to the J-8C (or J-8III) project for domestic avionic upgrades for J-8II; although the unreliable WP-14 engine ruin the whole project, the radar systems was tested rather successfully and marked the completion of domestic PD radar. By the end of 20th Century, the plans for Project 12 (PL-12) was also on schedule for domestic ARH AAM; thus the placeholder aircraft: J-8H with a new radar joined PLAAF with PL-11 SARH, while the J-8F with a modified radar based on the former radar and new NATO-equivalent FCS main bus finalized by 2005 and became one of the cornerstone of PLAAF until new interceptors replaced them by June 2022.

Introduced in Update "La Royale" as the first Chinese domestic jet with PD radar, J-8F featured new IR AAMs and finally supports full missile configuration for all available wing pylons; the jet is also upgraded with new engines with higher thrust and J-8II's signature differential elevators for better roll rate. Although the star of the show: its capability to launch ARH AAM has yet to make it into the game*, the new PL-8 missile and avionics will not disappoint players.

*Note: as stated in J-8F's devblog; due to the removal of a certain radar electronic, J-8F could not guide PL-11.

General info

Flight performance

Air brakes
Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps
Drogue parachute
Reduces braking distance when landing on any runway
Max speed
at 12 000 m2 300 km/h
Turn time27 s
Max altitude16 000 m
Engine2 х Shenyang Liming WP-13B-II
TypeJet
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight17 t

Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.

Characteristics Max speed
(km/h at _,___ m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock ___ ___ 16000 __._ __._ __._ __._ ___
Upgraded ___ ___ __._ __._ __._ __._

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear Drogue chute
_ _ _ _ _ _
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
0 500 ___ ___ ___ ~__ ~__
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< ___ < ___ < ___ -

Engine performance

Engine Aircraft mass
Engine name Number Basic mass Wing loading (full fuel)
_____ _ _,___ kg ___ kg/m2
Engine characteristics Mass with fuel (no weapons load) Max Gross
Weight
Weight (each) Type _m fuel __m fuel __m fuel
___ kg ___ _,___ kg _,___ kg _,___ kg _,___ kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB) Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (___%/WEP)
Condition 100% ___%/WEP _m fuel __m fuel __m fuel MGW
Stationary ___ kgf ___ kgf _.__ _.__ _.__ _.__
Optimal ___ kgf
(_ km/h) 		___ kgf
(_ km/h) 		_.__ _.__ _.__ _.__

Survivability and armour

Flares/Chaff
Aircraft countermeasures to distract IR and radar-guided missiles and also AA radar
Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear500 km/h

Like most jets of its era, J-8F still retained certain degree of extra protection due to its late introduction at early 2000s on a rather obsolete airframe; meanwhile some standard equipment like self-sealing tanks are still present.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB2 804 → 4 225 Sl icon.png
RB8 208 → 12 369 Sl icon.png
SB9 351 → 14 091 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications304 000 Rp icon.png
462 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost3 100 Ge icon.png
Crew training310 000 Sl icon.png
Experts1 080 000 Sl icon.png
Aces3 400 Ge icon.png
Research Aces1 280 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
100 / 320 / 540 % Sl icon.png
250 / 250 / 250 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods jet compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
18 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mods booster.png
New boosters
Research:
17 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
26 000 Sl icon.png
480 Ge icon.png
Mods jet engine.png
Engine
Research:
25 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
38 000 Sl icon.png
710 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
18 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
17 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
26 000 Sl icon.png
480 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
19 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
29 000 Sl icon.png
540 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
25 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
38 000 Sl icon.png
710 Ge icon.png
Mods heli false thermal targets.png
Flares/Chaff
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
18 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
ns23_belt_pack
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
18 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods air to air missile.png
PL-5B
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
18 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods g suit.png
G-suit
Research:
17 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
26 000 Sl icon.png
480 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon block rocket.png
HF-6
Research:
17 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
26 000 Sl icon.png
480 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
ns23_new_gun
Research:
19 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
29 000 Sl icon.png
540 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
Type 250
Research:
19 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
29 000 Sl icon.png
540 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods air to air missile.png
PL-8
Research:
19 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
29 000 Sl icon.png
540 Ge icon.png
Mods jet engine extinguisher.png
EFS
Research:
25 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
38 000 Sl icon.png
710 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
Type 500
Research:
25 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
38 000 Sl icon.png
710 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: Type 23-3 (23 mm)

The J-8F is armed with:

  • A choice between two presets:
    • 1 x 23 mm Type 23-3 cannon, belly-mounted (200 rpg)
    • 1 x 23 mm Type 23-3 cannon + 64 x large calibre countermeasures

Suspended armament

Custom loadout options

1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Hardpoints J-8B.png
Type 90-1 rockets 7 7 7 7
250 kg Type 250-3 bombs 1 6 1
250 kg Type 250-4 bombs 1 6 1
500 kg Type 500-3 bombs 1 1
500 kg Type 500-4 bombs 1 1
PL-5B missiles 1 1 1 1
PL-8 missiles 1 1 1 1
Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 1,000 kg

For players who are very familiar with the loadouts on J-8B,85% (6 out of 7) of its available weaponries are identical on both jets with PL-8 (licensed Rafael Python-3) being the exception. Due to the lack of radar-guided missiles, some players might find this a huge drawback that they will have to get close enough to enemy jets to even launch IR AAMs at the first place; but PL-8 become the game-changer to J-8F, not only it has the best all-aspect locking range among NATO equivalents, J-8F is also equipped with HMD for off-bore launches; a full-loadout with 6 PL-8 can be a nightmare for enemy team if utilized carefully. The old friend PL-5B still serves as its default missiles; although it might be obsolete at its BR ranges, but careful launches on careless targets would still earn a victory on even NATO/Warsaw-Pact jets.

The ground-attack loadout is totally identical to J-8B though, with varieties of bombs and rocket at disposal; although neither the caliber nor explosive content of the Type 90-1 HEAT rocket is good for hunting down enemy MBTs even with a precise hit, they could still served as an extra card on hand alongside with its -3 series low drag GP bombs or -4 series drag chute retard bombs where the bombs would certainly be more effective against more valuable targets such as MBTs while leaving vulnerable SPAA systems for rockets, sometimes bases in case having the need for extra income.


Usage in battles

Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Rather high overall engine thrusts
  • First domestic jet to equip PD radar with sufficient detection capabilities
  • Equipped with HMD for off-bore launches
  • 6 powerful PL-8 with very long lock-on range and high overload
  • Sufficient payload for occasional ground-attack operations
  • Retained the same, if not better maneuverability from J-8B
  • High top speed

Cons:

  • Lacks any form of radar-guided weaponries
  • Rather large target due to its long airframe
  • Relatively small ammo pool
  • Delta wing design and its size bleeds speed serenely in maneuvers

History

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Media

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See also

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  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

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  • topic on the official game forum;
  • other literature.


China jet aircraft
Fighters  J-2 · J-4 · J-6A · J-7II · J-7D · J-7E · J-8B · J-8F · J-10A · J-11 · J-11A
Strike aircraft  Q-5 early · Q-5A · Q-5L · JH-7A
Bombers  H-5
France  ␗Mirage 2000-5Ei
USA  ␗F-84G-21-RE · ␗F-84G-31-RE · ␗F-86F-30 · ␗F-86F-40 · ␗F-100A · ␗F-100F · ␗F-104A · ␗F-104G · ␗F-5A · ␗F-5E · ␗F-16A MLU
USSR  ␗MiG-9 · ␗MiG-9 (l)
North Korea  Shenyang F-5
Pakistan  A-5C · JF-17

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