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== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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The SMS Westfalen is a dreadnought with the All or Nothing armor scheme. This means she has thick armor all around the ship.
''Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.''
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Her armour is rolled cemented "krupp" armour, which contains higher carbon steel on the surface and a softer core. The intent was to try shattering the shells with the tougher layer, while the softer core would absorb the shell's impact. This is one of the latest evolution in armor designs used by dreadnoughts. Much better than "harvey" armor.
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When it comes to survivability, her citadel is protected by a turtle back armor scheme in addition to coal bunkers. This should stop most shells from penetrating the important parts such as the ammo racks and the engines, while her 90-170mm thick external armor will stop most destroyer's shells and high explosive rounds from all sources.
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Her lack of AA armament is a bad, and also a good thing. Sure, aircrafts will make short work of her. But only Japanese torpedo bombers carry a large enough torpedo to bypass her torpedo bulge. Reggia marina update made the torpedo bulge of heavy cruisers stop up to 250kg of TNT eq. explosives. This will stop most nation's WW2 plane carried torpedoes, except the Japanese type 91 mod 2 and mod 3 torpedoes.
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No AA means no crew to be lost easily. The only places she'll lose crew easily are the 88mm guns in the bow and stern, which is not recommended repairing your ship just for fixing those, as it will put new crew inside them to be lost again.
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Her engines use coal. This is a good thing because the coal is used as additional armor. Later ships switched to oil for more efficient engines and more operational range.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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Don't expect mobilty from a dreadnought. She was made to take damage while sending it back to her opponent. Speed was much less of a concern than armor.
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This gives her roughly 38kph top speed, which is quite slow. Not enough to evade easily any bomb attacks.{{NavalMobility}}
  
 
== Armament ==
 
== Armament ==
 
=== Primary armament ===
 
=== Primary armament ===
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{{main|283 mm/45 SK L/45 (283 mm)}}Her armament consists of 6 turrets, with double 283mm each. This is rather weak compared to most opponents who have 305mm or even larger guns. Those will still make short work of cruisers and destroyers.
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=== Secondary armament ===
 
=== Secondary armament ===
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{{main|150 mm/45 SK L/45 (150 mm)|88 mm/45 casemate SK L/45 (88 mm)}}This is where she shines. Twelve 150mm and sixteen 88mm guns. Patrol Torpedo boats will have a hard time sneaking through that firepower. Even destroyers will fear your 150mm cannons as they're likely bigger than their guns!
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=== Anti-aircraft armament ===
 
=== Anti-aircraft armament ===
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{{main|88 mm/45 AA SK L/45 (88 mm)|GM08 pattern 1908 (7.92 mm)}}
 
{{main|88 mm/45 AA SK L/45 (88 mm)|GM08 pattern 1908 (7.92 mm)}}
  
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She has only four GM08 7.62mm machine guns, Rumors say these were mounted to scare seagulls away.
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You would rather want to use the captain's pistol instead.
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Keep in mind you will not face planes of her era but late WW2 planes.
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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As a dreadnought, she excels at taking hits while giving them. Her playground is small maps, where her secondary can make short work of destroyers while her primary takes care of cruisers.
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Due to her "small" 283mm cannons, she will have more trouble facing other dreadnoughts who have larger guns. It's not impossible, just better to shoot at softer targets instead.
  
 
=== Modules ===
 
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* Lots of firepower available from guns
 
* Lots of firepower available from guns
* Can use torpedoes
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* Thick armor all around
* Very hard to defeat
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* Turtle back citadel armor scheme
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* Coal bunkers
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
 
* Somewhat weaker main guns in comparison to other battleships
 
* Somewhat weaker main guns in comparison to other battleships
* Mediocre anti-air defense, only totes rifle-caliber machine guns that are useless against any aircraft more armored than starting planes and two heavy cannons that cannot engage multiple targets due to their slow fire rate
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* Mediocre anti-air defense
 
* Huge profile and low mobility
 
* Huge profile and low mobility
  
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SMS Westfalen
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Description

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The Nassau-class, SMS Westfalen, 1916 is a rank V German battleship with a battle rating of 6.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "New Power".

General info

Survivability and armour

The SMS Westfalen is a dreadnought with the All or Nothing armor scheme. This means she has thick armor all around the ship.

Her armour is rolled cemented "krupp" armour, which contains higher carbon steel on the surface and a softer core. The intent was to try shattering the shells with the tougher layer, while the softer core would absorb the shell's impact. This is one of the latest evolution in armor designs used by dreadnoughts. Much better than "harvey" armor.

When it comes to survivability, her citadel is protected by a turtle back armor scheme in addition to coal bunkers. This should stop most shells from penetrating the important parts such as the ammo racks and the engines, while her 90-170mm thick external armor will stop most destroyer's shells and high explosive rounds from all sources.

Her lack of AA armament is a bad, and also a good thing. Sure, aircrafts will make short work of her. But only Japanese torpedo bombers carry a large enough torpedo to bypass her torpedo bulge. Reggia marina update made the torpedo bulge of heavy cruisers stop up to 250kg of TNT eq. explosives. This will stop most nation's WW2 plane carried torpedoes, except the Japanese type 91 mod 2 and mod 3 torpedoes.

No AA means no crew to be lost easily. The only places she'll lose crew easily are the 88mm guns in the bow and stern, which is not recommended repairing your ship just for fixing those, as it will put new crew inside them to be lost again.

Her engines use coal. This is a good thing because the coal is used as additional armor. Later ships switched to oil for more efficient engines and more operational range.

Mobility

Don't expect mobilty from a dreadnought. She was made to take damage while sending it back to her opponent. Speed was much less of a concern than armor.

This gives her roughly 38kph top speed, which is quite slow. Not enough to evade easily any bomb attacks. {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" ! colspan="4" | Mobility Characteristics |- ! rowspan="2" | Game Mode ! rowspan="2" | Upgrade Status ! colspan="2" | Maximum Speed (km/h) ! rowspan="2" style="display:none;"| Turn Time (s) ! rowspan="2" style="display:none;"| Turn Radius (m) |- ! Forward ! Reverse |- | rowspan="2" | AB | style="display:none;"| Stock | style="display:none;"| ___ | style="display:none;"| ___ | style="display:none;"| | style="display:none;"| |- | Upgraded || 44 || 25 | style="display:none;"| | style="display:none;"| |- | rowspan="2" | RB/SB | style="display:none;"| Stock | style="display:none;"| ___ | style="display:none;"| ___ | style="display:none;"| | style="display:none;"| |- | Upgraded || 37 || 22 | style="display:none;"| | style="display:none;"| |- |}

Armament

Primary armament

Her armament consists of 6 turrets, with double 283mm each. This is rather weak compared to most opponents who have 305mm or even larger guns. Those will still make short work of cruisers and destroyers.

Secondary armament

This is where she shines. Twelve 150mm and sixteen 88mm guns. Patrol Torpedo boats will have a hard time sneaking through that firepower. Even destroyers will fear your 150mm cannons as they're likely bigger than their guns!

Anti-aircraft armament

She has only four GM08 7.62mm machine guns, Rumors say these were mounted to scare seagulls away.

You would rather want to use the captain's pistol instead.

Keep in mind you will not face planes of her era but late WW2 planes.

Usage in battles

As a dreadnought, she excels at taking hits while giving them. Her playground is small maps, where her secondary can make short work of destroyers while her primary takes care of cruisers.

Due to her "small" 283mm cannons, she will have more trouble facing other dreadnoughts who have larger guns. It's not impossible, just better to shoot at softer targets instead.

Modules

Tier Seakeeping Unsinkability Firepower
I Dry-Docking Tool Set Anti-Air Armament Targeting 283 mm Psgr. L/3.2
II Rudder Replacement Fire Protection System Auxiliary Armament Targeting 150 mm Sprgr. L/3.2 Bdz
III Propeller Replacement Shrapnel Protection Ventilation Primary Armament Targeting Improved Rangefinder
IV Engine Maintenance New Pumps Ammo Wetting

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Lots of firepower available from guns
  • Thick armor all around
  • Turtle back citadel armor scheme
  • Coal bunkers

Cons:

  • Somewhat weaker main guns in comparison to other battleships
  • Mediocre anti-air defense
  • Huge profile and low mobility

History

SMS Westfalen was a member of the four-ship Nassau-class, the first class of dreadnoughts built by the Imperial German Navy. Commissioned in 1909, she saw extensive service during the First World War, where she participated in many naval engagements. She was also responsible for the destruction of three British destroyers at the Battle of Jutland. Westfalen was damaged in 1918, and thereafter used as a training ship; she was later handed to the United Kingdom as a war reparation, and scrapped in 1924.[1]

Design and construction

The Nassau class was built to counter the British HMS Dreadnought, who had revolutionized modern battleship design. As a result, the Nassaus were the first ships of the German Navy to carry an all-big-gun armament. The ships were also the first German vessels to be equipped with a torpedo bulkhead.[1] The ships were intended to carry new steam turbines, but the German steam-turbine manufacturing process had not been refined; as a result, the Nassaus were equipped with large, space-consuming piston engines.[1] This also contributed to the installation of Westfalen's unique hexagonal main armament arrangement.[1] Westfalen was launched on July 1st 1908, and commissioned in November of 1909.

Westfalen displaced just over 20 thousand tons, and was capable of making just over 20 knots. She carried a main armament of twelve 11-inch (281 mm) guns in a hexagonal formation, with four guns mounted on the beam.[1] She also carried a large amount of 5.9-inch (150 mm) and 88 mm guns to counter smaller vessels and torpedo boats.[1] Later on, Westfalen was refitted to carry a small number of anti-aircraft guns; she initially carried six underwater torpedo tubes, but these were later removed.1[1]

Service History

German Battleship SMS Westfalen seen from the side. Her two beam turrets are prominently visible.

After her commissioning, the SMS Westfalen served as the flagship of the First Battle Squadron, replacing the elderly pre-dreadnought SMS Kaiser Barbarossa.[1] She served in this role until 1914, when she was slated to be moved to the Second Battle Squadron; however, these plans were put on hold following the outbreak of the First World War.[1] She then served as part of the screening force protecting Admiral Hipper's battlecruisers, which were shelling the towns of Scarborough, Hartlepool and Whitby.[1] She also served a minor role in the Battle of the Gulf of Riga.[1]

Westfalen participated in the Battle of Jutland, where she was at the rear of the German Battleship Formation. However, in the late evening, she encountered a light force of several British destroyers, and an ensuing firefight erupted at close range.[1] Westfalen scored several hits on the British destroyer leader Tiperrary, causing critical damage;[1] the destroyer was later finished off by her sister ship Nassau. She then fired multiple salvoes at the destroyers Fortune and Turbulent, critically damaging the former and sinking the latter. During this time, her bridge was hit by a round fired from a destroyer, which killed two and injured several others; the ship received no other battle damage.[1]

Following this action, the Westfalen returned to port for repairs. Several months later, she was yet again part of the screening force for Hipper's battlecruisers, this time for a raid on the town of Sunderland. However, Westfalen was struck by a torpedo from the British submarine E23,[1] which flooded her torpedo bulkhead with 800 tons of water. Despite this, the torpedo bulkhead held, demonstrating its effectiveness.[1]

In February of 1918, the ship participated in the Finland intervention by transporting troops.[1] She also fired her main guns in support of German Forces. In April, Westfalen completed this operation and returned to the First Battle Squadron; however, in August, she suffered serious damage to her boilers.[1] Thus, she was decommissioned and used as a training ship.[1] Following the conclusion of the First World War, Westfalen was handed over to the United Kingdom as a war reparation. Thus, she was scrapped in 1924 at Birkenhead.[1]

Devblog

After the incredible HMS Dreadnought appeared, German shipbuilders began working on a new battleship design to succeed the British flagship.

Several new designs were created and considered as a result, but eventually the “G7b” design was approved by the Kaiser in March 1906, officially becoming the Nassau class. Shortly after, two of the new Nassau battleships were ordered with two further ships being added to the construction queue of German shipyards later.

SMS Westfalen was the last of the Nassau-class battleships to be laid down in August 1907, but the second to be commissioned into service with the Imperial Navy in November 1909. In the years leading up to WWI, Westfalen actively took part in routine fleet exercises and training courses with other elements of the Imperial Navy.

During the war, Westfalen, along with other ships of its type, actively participated in combat. The 2nd division (all ships of the Nassau type) of the 1st Hochseeflot squadron fought in the Baltic, and then in full force at Jutland, where they were especially active during the night phase of the battle. Initially, Westfalen, Nassau and Rheinland shot the destroyer Tipperary, and after that, a collision between Nassau and the destroyer Spitfire occurred where due to the extremely short distance between ships, the destroyer was below the sector of fire of the main battery guns, but was damaged by muzzle gases and barely escaped. Westfalen rammed and sank the destroyer Turbulent, and also participated in the sinking of the destroyers Ardent and Fortune. After Jutland, she took part in Operation Albion. Following the end of WWI, Westfalen was ceded to Great Britain as a replacement for some of the German ships lost to scuttling at Scapa Flow and shortly afterwards sold for scrap, being broken up between 1920 - 1924.

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See also

Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the ship;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

Citations

Bibliography

  • Militaer Wissen. (n.d.). Battleship SMS Westfalen. Retrieved November 30, 2020, from https://www.militaer-wissen.de/battleship-sms-westfalen/?lang=en


Germany battleships
Nassau-class  SMS Nassau · SMS Westfalen
Helgoland-class  SMS Helgoland · SMS Ostfriesland
Kaiser-class  SMS Kaiser
Bayern-class  SMS Bayern · SMS Baden · SMS Sachsen