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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (NATO: Fantan; ''a type of gambling in southern China'') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]].
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (NATO: Fantan) is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]].
  
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One of the latest revision of Q-5 series in PLAAF service and currently the "latest" manned fixed-wing jet in game; thanks to the revision on the avionics and the eventual installation of new sensors for ground attacks, as well as new precision bombs in service, the new Q-5L will prove deadly to ground targets with its lesser-to-counterparts yet suffice payload.  
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One of the latest revisions of the Q-5 series in PLAAF , the Q-5L will prove deadly to ground targets with its sufficient payload and updates to its avionics and new sensors for ground attacks, as well as new precision bombs.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
 
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
 
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For players who have flown Q-5 series, Q-5L still retains the same flight performance- although shared many parts of a J-6A, due to the lack of weight-reduction measures, Q-5s are in fact structurally overweight; while it has better sustained turn to heavier jets such as Phantoms thanks to its engines, do note that the overweight issue still haunts the jet. Beware of any targets who has higher maneuverability, although your higher speed might save you from subsonic jets by flying away from the battlefield, any supersonic jets will have no problem chasing off Q-5L; another note is that Q-5L still retains the same control surfaces lock at transonic speeds (> 850 km/h and before hitting Mach 1.0), use the airbrakes according to the situation for both regaining control or "snap-shots" on enemy aerial targets.  
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For players who have flown the Q-5 series, Q-5L still retains the same flight performance - although sharing many parts with the [[J-6A]], due to the lack of weight-reduction measures, Q-5s are in fact structurally overweight; while it has better sustained turn to heavier jets such as Phantoms thanks to its engines, do note that the weight issue still haunts the jet. Beware of any targets that have higher manoeuvrability, although your higher speed might save you from subsonic jets, any supersonic jets will have no problem chasing a Q-5L. Another note is that the Q-5L still retains the same control surface lock-up at transonic speeds (>850 km/h and before hitting Mach 1.0), use the airbrakes according to the situation for both regaining control or "snap-shots" on enemy targets.
  
 
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{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 
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* 10 mm steel plate behind nose cone
 
* 10 mm steel plate behind nose cone
 
* 60 mm bulletproof glass in cockpit front
 
* 60 mm bulletproof glass in cockpit front
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* Self-sealing fuel tanks behind cockpit and underneath engines in rear fuselage
 
* Self-sealing fuel tanks behind cockpit and underneath engines in rear fuselage
  
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Like all its predecessors in-game, Q-5L shares the very same protection. Due to the needs for ground attack and some protection for pilot, the cockpit is protected by steel plates around and comes with a bulletproof glass at the front of the canopy; while this might not be sufficient against any autocannons at its tier, it could at least make sure the pilot will not get knock-down right away by incoming shots or shrapnel. The engines are still unprotected though, but the installation of fire suppression system will make sure it will have greater odds to survive an fire onboard.
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The Q-5L shares the same protection as its predecessors. Due to the need for ground attack and some protection for the pilot, the cockpit is enclosed by steel plates and comes with bulletproof glass. While this might not be sufficient against any autocannons at the rank, it could at least make sure the pilot will not be knocked out right away by incoming shots or shrapnel. The engines are still unprotected, but the installation of fire suppression systems allows the Q-5L to have greater odds to survive a fire onboard.
  
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
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The default payload options are as follows:
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{{main|250-3 (250 kg)|TS250 (260 kg)|LS-500J (570 kg)|Type 90-1|Type 130-2}}
  
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* 8x 250-3 bomb
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
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* 2x LS-500J 500 kg LGB w/ K/PSZ-01 targeting pod
 
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* 2x TS-250 250 kg LGB w/ K/PSZ-01 targeting pod
 
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* 16x Type 130-2 rockets
 
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* 28x Type 90-1 HEAT rockets
 
  
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'''Custom loadout options'''
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* Without load
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* 28 x Type 90-1 rockets
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* 16 x Type 130-2 rockets
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* 2 x 260 kg TS250 bombs (520 kg total)
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* 2 x 570 kg LS-500J bombs (1,140 kg total)
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* 8 x 250 kg 250-3 bombs (2,000 kg total)
  
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==== Custom loadout options ====
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|'''LS-500J 500 kg LGB'''
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! 250 kg 250-3 bombs
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|'''TS-250 250 kg LGB'''
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! 260 kg TS250 bombs
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|'''Type 130-2 rockets'''
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! 570 kg LS-500J bombs
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! Type 130-2 rockets
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| colspan="7" |* K/PSZ-01 is mandatory for any LGB payload options; located on the front-right hardpoint of #3 pylon group
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
  
 
* New HUD with ballistic computer
 
* New HUD with ballistic computer
 
* Built-in TVD camera for target acquisition; alternatively equipped with an advanced targeting pod
 
* Built-in TVD camera for target acquisition; alternatively equipped with an advanced targeting pod
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* Access to 250/500 kg smart-bombs
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* Access to 250/500 kg guided bombs
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* Sufficient maneuverability at around 700 km/h
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* Sufficient manoeuvrability at around 700 km/h
 
* Great acceleration thanks to the WP-6-IIIA engines
 
* Great acceleration thanks to the WP-6-IIIA engines
 
* Access to RWR
 
* Access to RWR
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'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
 
* Same bulky airframe as all its predecessors and still locks up at transonic speeds
 
* Same bulky airframe as all its predecessors and still locks up at transonic speeds
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* The built-in camera only has 1.5x magnification  
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* The built-in camera only has 1.5x magnification
 
* Lacks any type of AAM and countermeasures, unlike its technological predecessor [[A-5C]]
 
* Lacks any type of AAM and countermeasures, unlike its technological predecessor [[A-5C]]
 
* Type 23-2K cannons needs extra practice against aerial targets
 
* Type 23-2K cannons needs extra practice against aerial targets
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* Subpar payload to its NATO/Warsaw-Pact counterparts
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* Subpar payload to its NATO/Warsaw Pact counterparts
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== History ==
 
== History ==

Revision as of 16:16, 28 October 2022

Q-5L
q_5l.png
GarageImage Q-5L.jpg
Q-5L
China flag.png China
VII Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
11.0 9.7 10.7
Class:
Research:260 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:710 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
Show in game

Description

The Q-5L (NATO: Fantan) is a rank VII Chinese strike aircraft with a battle rating of 11.0 (AB), 9.7 (RB), and 10.7 (SB). It was introduced in Update "Fire and Ice".

One of the latest revisions of the Q-5 series in PLAAF , the Q-5L will prove deadly to ground targets with its sufficient payload and updates to its avionics and new sensors for ground attacks, as well as new precision bombs.

General info

Flight performance

Air brakes
Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps
Drogue parachute
Reduces braking distance when landing on any runway
Max speed
at 7 000 m1 444 km/h
Turn time25 s
Max altitude16 500 m
Engine2 х Shenyang Liming WP-6A-III
Type
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight13 t

For players who have flown the Q-5 series, Q-5L still retains the same flight performance - although sharing many parts with the J-6A, due to the lack of weight-reduction measures, Q-5s are in fact structurally overweight; while it has better sustained turn to heavier jets such as Phantoms thanks to its engines, do note that the weight issue still haunts the jet. Beware of any targets that have higher manoeuvrability, although your higher speed might save you from subsonic jets, any supersonic jets will have no problem chasing a Q-5L. Another note is that the Q-5L still retains the same control surface lock-up at transonic speeds (>850 km/h and before hitting Mach 1.0), use the airbrakes according to the situation for both regaining control or "snap-shots" on enemy targets.

Characteristics Max speed
(km/h at _,___ m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock ___ ___ 16500 __._ __._ __._ __._ 850
Upgraded ___ ___ __._ __._ __._ __._

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear Drogue chute
_ _ _ _ _ _
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
0 577 ___ ___ ___ ~__ ~__
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< ___ < ___ < ___ N/A

Engine performance

Engine Aircraft mass
Engine name Number Basic mass Wing loading (full fuel)
_____ _ _,___ kg ___ kg/m2
Engine characteristics Mass with fuel (no weapons load) Max Gross
Weight
Weight (each) Type _m fuel __m fuel __m fuel
___ kg ___ _,___ kg _,___ kg _,___ kg _,___ kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB) Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (___%/WEP)
Condition 100% ___%/WEP _m fuel __m fuel __m fuel MGW
Stationary ___ kgf ___ kgf _.__ _.__ _.__ _.__
Optimal ___ kgf
(_ km/h) 		___ kgf
(_ km/h) 		_.__ _.__ _.__ _.__

Survivability and armour

Flares/Chaff
Aircraft countermeasures to distract IR and radar-guided missiles and also AA radar
Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear577 km/h
  • 10 mm steel plate behind nose cone
  • 60 mm bulletproof glass in cockpit front
  • 8 mm steel plate underneath cockpit
  • 25 mm steel armoured pilot's seat
  • 10 + 16 mm steel armoured pilot's headrest
  • Self-sealing fuel tanks behind cockpit and underneath engines in rear fuselage

The Q-5L shares the same protection as its predecessors. Due to the need for ground attack and some protection for the pilot, the cockpit is enclosed by steel plates and comes with bulletproof glass. While this might not be sufficient against any autocannons at the rank, it could at least make sure the pilot will not be knocked out right away by incoming shots or shrapnel. The engines are still unprotected, but the installation of fire suppression systems allows the Q-5L to have greater odds to survive a fire onboard.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB3 341 → 4 817 Sl icon.png
RB9 053 → 13 054 Sl icon.png
SB10 024 → 14 454 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications225 500 Rp icon.png
352 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost2 800 Ge icon.png
Crew training200 000 Sl icon.png
Experts710 000 Sl icon.png
Aces2 800 Ge icon.png
Research Aces1 080 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
80 / 320 / 600 % Sl icon.png
232 / 232 / 232 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
9 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
14 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mods jet compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
9 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
14 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mods booster.png
New boosters
Research:
13 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
20 000 Sl icon.png
490 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
14 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
22 000 Sl icon.png
530 Ge icon.png
Mods g suit.png
G-suit
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
19 000 Sl icon.png
450 Ge icon.png
Mods jet engine.png
Engine
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
19 000 Sl icon.png
450 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
13 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
20 000 Sl icon.png
490 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
19 000 Sl icon.png
450 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
ns23_belt_pack
Research:
9 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
14 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods heli false thermal targets.png
Flares/Chaff
Research:
9 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
14 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon block rocket.png
HF-6
Research:
9 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
14 000 Sl icon.png
340 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
Type 250
Research:
13 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
20 000 Sl icon.png
490 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods thermal sight.png
K/PZS-01
Research:
13 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
20 000 Sl icon.png
490 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
ns23_new_gun
Research:
14 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
22 000 Sl icon.png
530 Ge icon.png
Mods laser guided bomb.png
GB250
Research:
14 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
22 000 Sl icon.png
530 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon block rocket large.png
HF-14
Research:
14 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
22 000 Sl icon.png
530 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
Type 500
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
19 000 Sl icon.png
450 Ge icon.png
Mods laser guided bomb.png
GB500
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
19 000 Sl icon.png
450 Ge icon.png
Mods jet engine extinguisher.png
EFS
Research:
12 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
19 000 Sl icon.png
450 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: Type 23-2K (23 mm)

The Q-5L is armed with:

  • 2 x 23 mm Type 23-2K cannons, wing-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)

Suspended armament

Main articles: 250-3 (250 kg), TS250 (260 kg), LS-500J (570 kg), Type 90-1, Type 130-2

The Q-5L can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:

  • Without load
  • 28 x Type 90-1 rockets
  • 16 x Type 130-2 rockets
  • 2 x 260 kg TS250 bombs (520 kg total)
  • 2 x 570 kg LS-500J bombs (1,140 kg total)
  • 8 x 250 kg 250-3 bombs (2,000 kg total)

Custom loadout options

1 2 3 4 5
250 kg 250-3 bombs 1 1 4 1 1
260 kg TS250 bombs 1* 1*
570 kg LS-500J bombs 1* 1*
Type 90-1 rockets 7 7 7 7
Type 130-2 rockets 4 4 4 4
K/PSZ-01 1*
* The K/PSZ-01 targeting pod must be carried when equipping laser guided bombs

Usage in battles

Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • New HUD with ballistic computer
  • Built-in TVD camera for target acquisition; alternatively equipped with an advanced targeting pod
  • Access to 250/500 kg guided bombs
  • Sufficient manoeuvrability at around 700 km/h
  • Great acceleration thanks to the WP-6-IIIA engines
  • Access to RWR

Cons:

  • Same bulky airframe as all its predecessors and still locks up at transonic speeds
  • The built-in camera only has 1.5x magnification
  • Lacks any type of AAM and countermeasures, unlike its technological predecessor A-5C
  • Type 23-2K cannons needs extra practice against aerial targets
  • Subpar payload to its NATO/Warsaw Pact counterparts

History

Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref></ref>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under === In-game description ===, also if applicable).

Media

Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • other literature.


China jet aircraft
Fighters  J-2 · J-4 · J-6A · J-7II · J-7D · J-7E · J-8B · J-8F · J-10A · J-11 · J-11A
Strike aircraft  Q-5 early · Q-5A · Q-5L · JH-7A
Bombers  H-5
France  ␗Mirage 2000-5Ei
USA  ␗F-84G-21-RE · ␗F-84G-31-RE · ␗F-86F-30 · ␗F-86F-40 · ␗F-100A · ␗F-100F · ␗F-104A · ␗F-104G · ␗F-5A · ␗F-5E · ␗F-16A MLU
USSR  ␗MiG-9 · ␗MiG-9 (l)
North Korea  Shenyang F-5
Pakistan  A-5C · JF-17

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