Staghound AA

Staghound AA

Light AA Mk I

Staghound AA

Light AA Mk I

Britain

I Rank

Battle rating:

AB	RB	SB
2.3	2.0	2.0

Class:

SPAA

Research:5 900

Purchase:6 300

Description

The Armoured Car, Staghound AA (T17E2) is a rank I British Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft (SPAA) Gun with a battle rating of 2.3 (AB) and 2.0 (RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.55 "Royal Armour" along with the initial British ground tree. A very mobile self-propelled anti-tank gun with a dual-mounted .50 cal machine gun, it also has armour rivaling some of the Rank I vehicle and can withstand a majority of the small shells, warranting its high battle rating.

The T17E2 has two obvious characteristics. It has wheels, giving it excellent speed and mobility, especially on hard surfaces like rock or roads. The wheels also mean that it struggles in mud, sand or snow. Then, there are the guns, the T17E2 is armed with a seemingly light armament of two 12.7 mm (.50 cal) machine guns. Compared to other SPAA of the rank, the armament are light. German and Japanese SPAA are armed with highly potent 20mm auto cannons, which inflict far more damage to aircraft and vehicles alike. Instead, the T17E2 relies on its longevity and high rate of fire.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back

Hull22 / 19 / 9

Turret32 / 32 / 32

Crew3 people

Visibility84 %

Armour type:

• Rolled homogeneous armour

Armour	Front	Sides	Rear	Roof
Hull	22 mm (47°) Front glacis 22 mm (43°) Lower glacis 15 mm (32°) Driver's port	19 mm (8-12°)	9 mm (2-53°)	12.7 mm
Turret	31.7 mm (2-42°)	31.7 mm (0-1°)	31.7 mm (2°)	N/A

• Wheels are 10 mm thick.
• Belly armour is 12.7 mm thick.

Mobility

Speedforward / back

AB96 / 16 km/h

RB and SB88 / 15 km/h

Number of gears10 forward

2 back

Weight12.0 t

Engine power

AB370 hp

RB and SB194 hp

Power-to-weight ratio

AB30.8 hp/t

RB and SB16.2 hp/t

Game Mode	Max Speed (km/h)		Weight (tons)	Engine power (horsepower)		Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
	Forward	Reverse		Stock	Upgraded	Stock	Upgraded
Arcade	96	16	12	276	370	23	30.83
Realistic	88	15		172	194	14.33	16.17

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB334 → 433

RB292 → 378

SB416 → 539

Total cost of modifications5 950

4 480

Talisman cost410

Crew training1 800

Experts6 300

Aces75

Research Aces135 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

20 / 30 / 30 %

106 / 106 / 106 %

Modifications

Mobility	Protection	Firepower
Tires Research: 300 Cost: 230 60 Suspension Research: 270 Cost: 200 55 Brake System Research: 270 Cost: 200 55 Filters Research: 370 Cost: 280 75 Transmission Research: 640 Cost: 480 130 Engine Research: 640 Cost: 480 130	Improved Parts Research: 300 Cost: 230 60 Improved FPE Research: 270 Cost: 200 55 Crew Replenishment Research: 370 Cost: 280 75	12mm_usa_M2HB_API_ammo_pack Research: 300 Cost: 230 60 Horizontal Drive Research: 300 Cost: 230 60 12mm_usa_M2HB_AP_ammo_pack Research: 270 Cost: 200 55 Adjustment of Fire Research: 270 Cost: 200 55 12mm_usa_M2HB_APIT_ammo_pack Research: 370 Cost: 280 75 Elevation Mechanism Research: 370 Cost: 280 75 Artillery Support Research: 640 Cost: 480 130

Armaments

Main armament

2 x 12.7 mm M2HB machine gun

Ammunition2 800 rounds

Belt capacity200 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

10.4 → 8.0 s

Fire rate575 shots/min

Vertical guidance-10° / 75°

With two 12.7 mm machine guns, the T17E2 shares the same anti-aircraft armament as the early USA's SPAAs (M13 MGMC and M16 MGMC). While the 12.7 mm is not strong enough to down planes with a single hit, the rapid-fire will ensure a screen of rounds will hit the target at the same time. With tracers, one can use the turret's fast traverse rate to "trace" the rounds towards the target and stay on them to cause enough damage to destroy planes.

12.7 mm M2HB (x2)						Turret rotation speed (°/s)					Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode	Capacity (Belt)	Fire rate	Vertical	Horizontal	Stabilizer	Stock	Upgraded	Full	Expert	Aced	Stock	Full	Expert	Aced
Arcade	2,800 (200)	577	-10°/+75°	±180°	N/A	37.87	52.41	63.64	70.38	74.87	10.40	9.20	8.48	8.00
Realistic						25.59	30.10	36.55	40.42	43.00

Ammunition

• Common: API-T · I · AP · API-T - These rounds work well until the others are researched.
• API: API-T · AP-I · API-T - These are absolutely devastating in the AA role with slightly less performance against enemy tanks than AP.
• AP: AP · AP · API-T - These are best against enemy tanks at close range and do good damage to planes.
• APIT: API-T - Better than API in all regards but not as good against tanks as AP, this is the belt of choice in almost all situations. Since every bullet is a tracer, it makes destroying aircraft much easier and detectability is not greatly increased over AP-I, however is increased a bit over AP.

Penetration statistics
Belt	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
	10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
Common	31	30	26	22	18	15
API	30	29	24	20	16	13
AP	31	30	26	22	18	15
APIT	30	29	24	20	16	13

Belt details
Belt	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile Mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	Ricochet
							0%	50%	100%
Default	API-T	929	0.04	N/A	N/A	N/A	47°	56°	65°
	I	944	0.02	0.02	0.3	N/A	47	56	65
	AP	929	0.04	N/A	N/A	N/A	47°	56°	65°
API	API-T	929	0.04	N/A	N/A	N/A	47°	56°	65°
	AP-I	929	0.04	N/A	N/A	N/A	47°	56°	65°
AP	AP	894	0.05	N/A	N/A	N/A	47°	56°	65°
	API-T	929	0.04	N/A	N/A	N/A	47°	56°	65°
APIT	API-T	929	0.04	N/A	N/A	N/A	47°	56°	65°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Staghound AA

Full ammo	1st rack empty	Visual discrepancy
14	2 (+10)	No

Optics

Staghound AA Optics
Which ones	Default magnification	Maximum magnification
Main Gun optics	x2.1	x3.7
Comparable optics	M13 MGMC

Usage in battles

The T17E2 main role is anti aircraft. It is recommended to use tracer belts in order to be accurate yet deadly when engaging an enemy plane. It should be noted the T17E2 lacks capabilities to destroy enemy armour as most of them will be able to withstand your 12.7mm machine guns. Do not engage with enemy armour unless they are lightly armoured (with armour less than 20 mm of thickness) or open vehicles (other anti aircraft, russian SPGs, etc). Due to being a wheeled vehicle, the T17E2 has enough speed to capture enemy points and retreat. Use this tactic when there are no air engagements, go capture enemy points and avoid enemy contact unless you are in immediate danger or see an open vehicle, use your speed and low profile to your advantage. Bushes (both map prop and tank decoration) are your friends in combat as they will camouflage you and reduce your tank silhouette. Be aware of your turret as, since it is open top, enemy planes will be able to kill your gunner in a strafe. Be aware that enemy tanks machine guns will be able to fire between the turret shield and kill your gunner (where the optics are at).

Pros and cons

Pros:

• Twin .50 calibre machine guns are good against both aircraft and lightly-armoured ground targets
• High rate of fire
• Good mobility
• Fast turret rotation, good for hitting fast moving targets
• Fast on roads
• More efficient than tracked vehicles when turning, due to it having all wheel drive
• Very effective against aircraft

Cons:

• Wheeled vehicles are slower than tracked vehicles in the water
• Cannot pivot turn like a tank, drives like a truck
• Has difficulty against heavily-armoured tanks
• Armour is only effective protecting against low calibre machine gun rounds

History

Development

The T17E2 started as an armoured car requested by US Army Ordnance in July 1941. The request asked for a medium armoured car for combat services. Two companies, Ford Motor Company and Chevrolet, submitted designs to this request, Ford's was an all driven 6x6 wheeled vehicle and Chevrolet's was an all driven 4x4 wheeled vehicle. These two were called T17 and T17E1 respectively, both were powered by two Hercules JXD engines in order to standardize on parts. These two vehicles were to use a turret developed by Rock Island Arsenal with a 37 mm cannon and machine guns, this would house a crew of five. Despite their development, the United States interest on the design waned and were never adopted fully by their armed forces, instead taking in the lighter M8 Greyhound car and using the T17 until the M8 production could be started. Had it been adopted, it would've been designated the M6.

British Adoption

During the T17's development, the British Purchasing Commission was also looking for a medium armoured car that could be used in the current campaign in North Africa. British requirements were a bit different than the American's and asked for the turret of the car to house at least two people and with a radio in the turret rather than in the hull. The British soon adopted the car and named it the "Deerhound", with production starting in October 1942. The T17E1 was also adopted as the "Staghound" and the British requested a production of 300 for testing, after which they then ordered another 1,500 for use. Production for the T17E1 also started on October 1942. When the US Army standardized their armoured cars to the M8 Greyhounds, the British vouched for the T17E1 production to continue for their use, to which the T17 was cancelled in early 1943 and only T17E1 were brought in by Lend-Lease. About 4,000 T17E1 "Staghounds" were produced in total for British use.

T17E2

While the armoured car variants of the T17 served as a light reconnaissance force and armoured car regiments, some were converted into self-propelled anti-aircraft guns. The T17E1 was modified with a new turret developed by Frazer-Nash that equipped two .50 caliber M2 Browning machine guns, this modified vehicle was given the name T17E2. The turret was open-topped, had an electric-hydraulic traverse system, and reduced the number of crew on the T17E2 to three: the commander, gunner, and driver. About 789 Staghounds were converted into the T17E2, also named the "Staghound AA", in the period of October 1943 and April 1944.

Media

Skins

• Skins and camouflages for the Staghound AA from live.warthunder.com.

Images

• 

  T17E2 - Front view

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  T17E2 - Right view

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  T17E2 - Left view

• 

  T17E2 - Rear view

Videos

Staghound AA Tank Review - NUSensei

The Staghound AA, British Tier-1, SPAA - Angry Nerd Gaming

Absolute massacre - Staghound AA armoured car - PhlyDaily

See also

• AC Mk II AA: The succeeding vehicle in the British SPAA branch, featuring 20 mm autocannons.
• BTR-152A: A Soviet SPAA which also features dual-mounted machine guns atop an armoured car.

External links

• [Devblog] T17E2 and Armoured Car Mk II SPAA

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