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CA Lorraine

CA Lorraine

AB	RB	SB
5.7	6.0	6.0

Class:

Tank destroyer

Research:54 000

Purchase:185 000

Description

The Canon d'Assaut Lorraine de 100 mm is a French prototype tank destroyer based on the AMX M4 medium tank project's chassis. Following World War II, the French Army launched several programs to replace their antiquated tanks. The Lorraine company was charged with developing a light tank destroyer. The Canon d'Assaut Lorraine used Veil-Picard pneumatic tires instead of regular road wheels, which reduced the vehicle's ground pressure. Another advantage of the tires is that even if the tracks are destroyed, the vehicle can continue to operate. The prototype was started in 1950 but did not finish until 1952. The project was cancelled in 1953. The expertise gained by developing the Canon d'Assaut Lorraine would eventually serve as the foundation for other Lorraine initiatives.

Introduced in Update 1.75 "La Résistance", the Canon d'Assaut Lorraine de 100 mm is a versatile tank destroyer that may be deployed in a variety of ways, although it will always rely on its speed. In terms of maximum speed, cross-country speed, turn time, neutral steering, and reverse speed, this tank destroyer is among the most agile in its class. It should not, however, be utilized as an assault tank leading the attack against the enemy. As there is no turret, players should avoid close-up combat with adversaries. Use it mostly to ambush foes by flanking them early in battles. Since the vehicle has incredibly weak armour overall, you should always reposition after firing.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back

Hull50 / 30 / 25

Turret50 / 30 / 25

Crew5 people

Visibility81 %

Armour type:

Rolled homogeneous armour (casemate, cupola)
Cast homogeneous armour (gun mantlet)
Wheel (tires)

Armour	Front	Sides	Rear	Roof
Hull	50 mm (54°) Front glacis 35 mm (61°) Lower glacis 60-150 (0-88°) + 35-60 mm (2-88°) Gun mantlet	30 mm (15°) Top 30 mm Bottom	25 mm (23°) Upper glacis 25 mm (54°) Lower glacis	20 mm Front 20 mm (7°) Rear 8 mm (7°) Radiator and engine vents
Cupola	50 mm (spherical)			20 mm

Notes:

Suspension wheels, tracks and torsion bars are 20 mm thick.

Its sloped, medium thickness frontal armour will not protect you from anything bigger than SPAA shots (some may even get through in close quarters) but it is certainly sufficient for what it is designed to do: protecting from stray bullets in long range engagements. Side and top armour are also quite weak, so don't expect to survive any kind of surprise coming from side or top. Still, this tank has 5 crew members, which can often save it from a quick destruction.

Mobility

Speedforward / back

AB68 / 18 km/h

RB and SB63 / 17 km/h

Number of gears6 forward

1 back

Weight25.0 t

Engine power

AB1 307 hp

RB and SB685 hp

Power-to-weight ratio

AB52.3 hp/t

RB and SB27.4 hp/t

Game Mode	Max Speed (km/h)		Weight (tons)	Engine power (horsepower)		Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Game Mode	Forward	Reverse	Weight (tons)	Stock	Upgraded	Stock	Upgraded
Arcade	68	18	25	973	1,307	38.92	52.28
Realistic	63	17	25	606	685	24.24	27.4

If anyone thought the Lorraine 40t was a sprinter, this is even better. The CA Lorraine is fast. Not only in forward motion is it fast, it can reverse at a decent, constant, -16 km/h and it has ability to neutral steer, these enable fast reaction to quickly changing battlefield odds such as flanking manoeuvres or enemy breakthrough. An experienced player can take clear advantage over its foes by achieving good placement and this tank is the perfect tool for this task.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB2 955 → 3 655

RB3 443 → 4 258

SB4 617 → 5 711

Total cost of modifications46 600

84 900

Talisman cost1 500

Crew training52 000

Experts185 000

Aces710

Research Aces480 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

110 / 180 / 230 %

166 / 166 / 166 %

Modifications

Mobility

Protection

Firepower

Tracks Research: 3 100 Cost: 5 600 140
Suspension Research: 2 600 Cost: 4 700 115	Brake System Research: 2 600 Cost: 4 700 115
Filters Research: 3 900 Cost: 7 100 175
Transmission Research: 7 600 Cost: 14 000 340	Engine Research: 7 600 Cost: 14 000 340

Improved Parts

Research:

3 100

Cost:

5 600

140

Improved FPE

Research:

2 600

Cost:

4 700

115

Crew Replenishment

Research:

3 900

Cost:

7 100

175

Horizontal Drive

Research:

3 100

Cost:

5 600

140

Adjustment of Fire

Research:

2 600

Cost:

4 700

115

Elevation Mechanism

Research:

3 900

Cost:

7 100

175

Armaments

Main armament

100 mm SA47 L/58 cannon

Ammunition40 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

11.1 → 8.6 s

Vertical guidance-6° / 16°

Horizontal guidance-9° / 9°

Main article: SA47 L/58 (100 mm)

This gun platform uses the usual French rank IV 100 mm SA47 L/58 cannon with a twist: it has no autoloader mechanism, hence making reload time twice as long. However, at its battle rating, the gun packs an awesome 300 mm of penetration that ensures it can punch well above its own rank. The large shell calibre also means it can create quite a lot of fragments inside a tank, making the lack of explosive filler not so bad, as long as you land a good hit.

Keep that in mind as your foes get closer and closer to you: these precious 11 seconds of reload time are the perfect time to intent a frontal attack, even more so since you don't have automatic firepower of any form. Always have a backup plan, in case your single shot doesn't fully disable your target.

100 mm SA47 L/58					Turret rotation speed (°/s)					Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode	Capacity	Vertical	Horizontal	Stabilizer	Stock	Upgraded	Full	Expert	Aced	Stock	Full	Expert	Aced
Arcade	40	-6°/+16°	±9°	N/A	5.3	7.3	8.9	9.8	10.4	11.18	9.89	9.12	8.60
Realistic	40	-6°/+16°	±9°	N/A	3.6	4.2	5.1	5.6	6.0	11.18	9.89	9.12	8.60

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
Ammunition	Type of warhead	10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
Obus de rupture	APCBC	273	270	257	242	228	215
Obus explosif	HE	30	30	28	26	24	22

Shell details
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (kg)	Ricochet
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (kg)	0%	50%	100%
Obus de rupture	APCBC	1,000	15	-	-	-	48°	63°	71°
Obus explosif	HE	1,000	14.8	0.2	0.1	1.4	79°	80°	81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the CA Lorraine

Full ammo	1st rack empty	2nd rack empty	3rd rack empty	4th rack empty	Visual discrepancy
40	31 (+9)	21 (+19)	11 (+29)	1 (+39)	No

Note:

Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.

Usage in battles

The CA Lorraine can be used in different ways, but in all cases it will be relying on its speed. The CA Lorraine is one of the most agile tanks at its battle rating in terms of max speed, cross country speed, turn time, neutral steering and reverse. The CA Lorraine should not be used as an assault tank (often confused with the AMX-50 Foch). Use your speed as your main advantage.

When in urban combat:

The Lorraine has a big disadvantage when it comes to urban combat, it is turretless, meaning the tank will have to turn in order to aim at a certain place. This also makes crossing corners harder as the lack of turret reduces where your gun will be aiming as well as making an side firing angle (angle between your gun and your hull) narrower, forcing you to push almost frontally instead of doing sidescrapping. The mobility of the CA Lorraine makes it formidable when it comes to flanking as it is able to "Hit N' Run" and destroy or incapacitate enemies with relative speed. Be aware of your reload rate as you do not have autoloader (compared to Lorraine 40t which uses the same gun, the CA Lorraine reloads in 11.1s stock without upgrades and Lorraine 40t in 4.0s regardless the crew or upgrades), this makes a huge disadvantage as you will be vulnerable after each shot, make each shot count. Aim for gunner, cannon breech or ammunition to disable and destroy tanks as an error will cost your life. Having only 50 mm of frontal armour makes the Lorraine only capable of withstanding some SPAA fire (Wirbelwind, M42, etc) but will be penetrated by all tank guns at its BR and even SPAA at point blank range.

When in rural combat:

The Lorraine is a pretty decent sniper at its BR but this is by far one of the best combat roles the Lorraine can have. The 6x sight and the high muzzle velocity will make sniping easier than with other tanks at its BR. It should be noted that the CA Lorraine will not be able to withstand many frontal attacks even at range (PzGr 39 fired from KwK36, 42, 43 and 48 will penetrate the upper frontal plate with ease). Always stay on the move when possible. Fire and move. This is to make each attack unpredictable as people are prompt of revenge killing you with a tank or with an aircraft, always stay aware of your surroundings and stay away from suspicious locations enemies can look forward to detect and engage you.

Pros and cons

Pros:

Good firepower, uses the same gun as AMX-50-100 and Lorraine 40t
Very good penetration, definitely usable in uptiered games
Exceptionally fast reverse speed
Fairly low profile
Capable of neutral steering
Strong gun mantlet may bounce shots
Fast with very good manoeuvrability

Cons:

Weak armour all around
Engines and fuel tanks only have 8mm armour, very vulnerable from above
Reload rate is not impressive
Poor gun depression (-6)
No HE filler in AP shots means precision is necessary
No coaxial MG
Low gun placement
Somewhat weak optic zoom
Large ammo racks on both sides of the hull

History

Design

In the late 1940s, the French Army was looking to replace the medium tanks Panther and ARL 44 that were becoming obsolete with a new 50t medium tank. Other concepts were explored in parallel to the 50t medium tank: a 25t light tank and a 25t light tank destroyer. The French company Lorraine was tasked with the tank destroyer bid and proposed the Canon d'Assaut Lorraine. Clearly inspired from the layout of the Jagdpanzer IV and the Jagdpanther, the CA Lorraine was to assume the same support role on the battlefield along light and medium tanks.

Development

A 100 mm SA 47 L/58 gun was chosen to equip on the tank and the armour was kept to a mimimum to save weight and increase mobility. The vehicle featured pneumatic tires in place of road wheels. The upsides of such tires were the possibility to still move the tank destroyer when detracked, a weight reduction and thus a reduced ground pressure and an increased top speed. A prototype was built between 1950 and 1952 but the project was terminated in 1953. The tank destroyer weighed 25 tons, carried 40 shells and could reach 60 km/h. With the experience from the Korean war, the concept of dedicated tank destroyers was gradually abandoned in NATO armies to focus on armoured divisions composed uniquely of main battle tanks.

Combat usage

The CA Lorraine never saw either service or combat action with the French Army. Its chassis and many other parts were later reused in the development of the Lorraine 40t as well as in other projects.

Media

Skins

Skins and camouflages for the CA Lorraine from live.warthunder.com.

Videos

The CA Lorraine, French, Tier-4, Tank Destroyer - Angry Nerd Gaming

CA Lorraine - Fun, Fast 'n Furious - Napalmratte

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Difference between revisions of "CA Lorraine"

Latest revision as of 10:33, 22 October 2023

Contents

Description

General info

Survivability and armour

Mobility

Modifications and economy

Armaments

Main armament

Ammunition

Ammo racks

Usage in battles

Pros and cons

History

Design

Development

Combat usage

Media

See also

External links

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 == Description ==
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+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
+The '''Canon d'Assaut Lorraine de 100 mm''' is a French prototype tank destroyer based on the [[AMX M4|AMX M4 medium tank]] project's chassis. Following World War II, the French Army launched several programs to replace their antiquated tanks. The Lorraine company was charged with developing a light tank destroyer. The Canon d'Assaut Lorraine used Veil-Picard pneumatic tires instead of regular road wheels, which reduced the vehicle's ground pressure. Another advantage of the tires is that even if the tracks are destroyed, the vehicle can continue to operate. The prototype was started in 1950 but did not finish until 1952. The project was cancelled in 1953. The expertise gained by developing the Canon d'Assaut Lorraine would eventually serve as the foundation for other Lorraine initiatives.
-{{break}}
-The '''{{specs|name}}''' (100 mm Lorraine assault gun), or abbreviated '''{{specs|pseudonym}}''', is a Rank {{specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. It presents a very classic TD design: Casemate gun platform and powerful armament. While lacking in terms of armour, it compensates with both excellent mobility and a very strong gun.
-The CA Lorraine is an intermediate between a [[SU-85]] and a lowered [[Jagdpanther|Jagdpanther]]. It is distinguishable for having rubber road wheels instead of metal ones, two huge fans atop the engine deck (much like the German Jagdpanther), a very pointy gun mantlet pointing outwards from the casemate and quite a large, rounded commander's cupola. In some ways, it is quite similar to the fearsome [[AMX-50 Foch|AMX 50 ''Foch'']], and this can scare away some cowardly foes.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the Canon d'Assaut Lorraine de 100 mm is a versatile tank destroyer that may be deployed in a variety of ways, although it will always rely on its speed. In terms of maximum speed, cross-country speed, turn time, neutral steering, and reverse speed, this tank destroyer is among the most agile in its class. It should not, however, be utilized as an assault tank leading the attack against the enemy. As there is no turret, players should avoid close-up combat with adversaries. Use it mostly to ambush foes by flanking them early in battles. Since the vehicle has incredibly weak armour overall, you should always reposition after firing.
 == General info ==
 === Survivability and armour ===
-<!--''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat?''
+{{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
+<!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
-''If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''-->
-Its sloped, medium thickness frontal armour will not protect you from anything bigger than SPAA shots (some may even get through in close quarters) ''but'' it is certainly sufficient for what it is designed to do: protecting from stray bullets in long range engagements. Side and top armour are also quite weak, so don't expect to survive any kind of surprise coming from side or top. Still, this tank has 5 crew members, which can often save it from a (too) quick destruction.
 '''Armour type:'''
-* Rolled homogeneous armour (Casemate hull)
+* Rolled homogeneous armour (casemate, cupola)
-* Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet, Driver's hatch)
+* Cast homogeneous armour (gun mantlet)
+* Wheel (tires)
 {| class="wikitable"
@@ Line 25: / Line 25: @@
 ! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
-| Hull || 50 mm (55°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 35 mm (60°) ''Lower glacis'' <br> 60-150 (0-88°) + 35-60 mm (2-88°) ''Gun mantlet''|| 30 mm (15°) ''Front'' <br> 30 mm ''Bottom'' || 25 mm (23°) ''Top'' <br> 25 mm (55°) ''Bottom'' || 20 mm <br> 8 mm ''Engine grille''
+| Hull || 50 mm (54°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 35 mm (61°) ''Lower glacis'' <br> 60-150 (0-88°) + 35-60 mm (2-88°) ''Gun mantlet''|| 30 mm (15°) ''Top'' <br> 30 mm ''Bottom'' || 25 mm (23°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 25 mm (54°) ''Lower glacis'' || 20 mm ''Front'' <br> 20 mm (7°) ''Rear'' <br> 8 mm (7°) ''Radiator and engine vents''
 |-
-! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
+| Cupola || colspan="3" style="text-align:center" | 50 mm (spherical) || 20 mm
-|-
-| Cupola || 50 mm || 20 mm
 |-
 |}
 '''Notes:'''
-* Suspension wheels and tracks are 20 mm thick.
+* Suspension wheels, tracks and torsion bars are 20 mm thick.
+Its sloped, medium thickness frontal armour will not protect you from anything bigger than SPAA shots (some may even get through in close quarters) but it is certainly sufficient for what it is designed to do: protecting from stray bullets in long range engagements. Side and top armour are also quite weak, so don't expect to survive any kind of surprise coming from side or top. Still, this tank has 5 crew members, which can often save it from a quick destruction.
 === Mobility ===
+{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
-{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 973|rbMinHp= 606}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=973|rbMinHp=606}}
+If anyone thought the [[Lorraine 40t]] was a sprinter, this is even better. The {{PAGENAME}} is ''fast''. Not only in forward motion is it fast, it can reverse at a decent, constant, -16 km/h and it has ability to neutral steer, these enable fast reaction to quickly changing battlefield odds such as flanking manoeuvres or enemy breakthrough. An experienced player can take clear advantage over its foes by achieving good placement and this tank is the perfect tool for this task.
-If anyone thought the [[Lorraine 40t]] was a sprinter, this is even better. The {{PAGENAME}} is ''fast''. Not only in forward motion is it fast, it can reverse at a decent, constant, -16 km/h and it has ability to neutral steer, these enable fast reaction to quickly changing battlefield odds such as flanking maneuvers or enemy breakthrough. An experienced player can take clear advantage over its foes by achieving good placement and this tank is the perfect tool for this task.
+=== Modifications and economy ===
+{{Specs-Economy}}
 == Armaments ==
+{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
 === Main armament ===
-<!--''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''-->
+{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}
+<!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
 {{main|SA47 L/58 (100 mm)}}
-This gun platform uses the usual French rank IV 100 mm SA47 L/58 cannon with a twist: it has no autoloader mechanism, hence making reload time ''twice'' as long. However, at battle rating 6.3, the gun packs an awesome 300 mm of penetration that ensures it can punch well above its own rank. The large shell caliber also means it can create quite a lot of fragments inside a tank, making the lack of explosive filler not so bad, as long as you land a good hit.
+This gun platform uses the usual French rank IV 100 mm SA47 L/58 cannon with a twist: it has no autoloader mechanism, hence making reload time twice as long. However, at its battle rating, the gun packs an awesome 300 mm of penetration that ensures it can punch well above its own rank. The large shell calibre also means it can create quite a lot of fragments inside a tank, making the lack of explosive filler not so bad, as long as you land a good hit.
-Keep that in mind as your foes get closer and closer to you: these precious 15 seconds of reload time are the perfect time to intent a frontal attack, even more so since you don't have automatic firepower of any form. Always have a backup plan, in case your single shot doesn't fully disable your target.
+Keep that in mind as your foes get closer and closer to you: these precious 11 seconds of reload time are the perfect time to intent a frontal attack, even more so since you don't have automatic firepower of any form. Always have a backup plan, in case your single shot doesn't fully disable your target.
-{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
+{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-|-
-! colspan="6" | [[SA47 L/58 (100 mm)|100 mm SA47 L/58]]
-|-
-! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
-! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
-! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
-! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
-|-
-| colspan="3" | 40 || -6°/+16° || ±9° || N/A
-|-
-! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
-|-
-! style="width:4em" |Mode
-! style="width:4em" |Stock
-! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
-! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
-! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
-! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
-|-
-| ''Arcade'' || 5.3 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
 |-
-| ''Realistic'' || 3.6 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
+! colspan="5" | [[SA47 L/58 (100 mm)|100 mm SA47 L/58]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 |-
-! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
+! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
 |-
-! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
+! ''Arcade''
-! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
+| rowspan="2" | 40 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+16° || rowspan="2" | ±9° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 5.3 || 7.3 || 8.9 || 9.8 || 10.4 || rowspan="2" | 11.18 || rowspan="2" | 9.89 || rowspan="2" | 9.12 || rowspan="2" | 8.60
-! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
-! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 |-
-| 15.6 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
+! ''Realistic''
+| 3.6 || 4.2 || 5.1 || 5.6 || 6.0
 |-
 |}
 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:SA47 L/58 (100 mm)/Ammunition|100 mm Obus de rupture, 100 mm Obus explosif}}
-! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
-|-
+==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
-! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
+[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
-! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
+<!-- '''Last updated: 2.3.0.27''' -->
-! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
+{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 |-
-! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
+! Full<br>ammo
+! 1st<br>rack empty
+! 2nd<br>rack empty
+! 3rd<br>rack empty
+! 4th<br>rack empty
+! Visual<br>discrepancy
 |-
-| 100 mm Obus de rupture || APCBC || 273 || 270 || 257 || 242 || 228 || 215
+| '''40''' || 31&nbsp;''(+9)'' || 21&nbsp;''(+19)'' || 11&nbsp;''(+29)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+39)'' || No
 |-
-| 100 mm Obus explosif || HE || 18 || 18 || 18 || 18 || 18 || 18
-|-
-|}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="10" | Shell details
-|-
-! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
-! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
-! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
-! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
-! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
-! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
-! colspan="3" | Ricochet
-|-
-! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
-|-
-| 100 mm Obus de rupture || APCBC || 1,000 || 15.0 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
-|-
-| 100 mm Obus explosif || HE || 1,000 || 15.0 || 0.1 || 0.5 || 1,400 || 79° || 80° || 81°
-|-
 |}
+'''Note''':
-===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
+* Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
-[[File:Ammoracks {{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumbnail|x250px|[[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}.]]
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
-|-
-! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full<br /> ammo
-! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st<br />  rack empty
-! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd<br />  rack empty
-! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd<br />  rack empty
-! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th<br />  rack empty
-! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual<br /> discrepancy
-|-
-|| '''40''' || 31&nbsp;''(+9)'' || 21&nbsp;''(+19)'' || 11&nbsp;''(+29)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+39)'' || style="text-align:left" | no
-|-
-|}
 == Usage in battles ==
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-This tank sits with confidence at BR 6.3 as a regular tank destroyer. There is nothing very special to it, but it performs good in most situations. Use your good mobility to take a competitive spot and ''reposition'' every now and then : once you get spotted, it is already too late. Hopefully, this tank's excellent mobility and ''neutral steering'' will make your day easier.
+The CA Lorraine can be used in different ways, but in all cases it will be relying on its speed. The CA Lorraine is one of the most agile tanks at its battle rating in terms of max speed, cross country speed, turn time, neutral steering and reverse. The CA Lorraine should not be used as an assault tank (often confused with the [[AMX-50 Foch]]). Use your speed as your main advantage.
+'''When in urban combat:'''
+The Lorraine has a big disadvantage when it comes to urban combat, it is turretless, meaning the tank will have to turn in order to aim at a certain place. This also makes crossing corners harder as the lack of turret reduces where your gun will be aiming as well as making an side firing angle (angle between your gun and your hull) narrower, forcing you to push almost frontally instead of doing sidescrapping. The mobility of the CA Lorraine makes it formidable when it comes to flanking as it is able to "Hit N' Run" and destroy or incapacitate enemies with relative speed. Be aware of your reload rate as you do not have autoloader (compared to [[Lorraine 40t]] which uses the same gun, the CA Lorraine reloads in 11.1s stock without upgrades and Lorraine 40t in 4.0s regardless the crew or upgrades), this makes a huge disadvantage as you will be vulnerable after each shot, make each shot count. Aim for gunner, cannon breech or ammunition to disable and destroy tanks as an error will cost your life. Having only 50 mm of frontal armour makes the Lorraine only capable of withstanding some SPAA fire ([[Wirbelwind]], [[M42]], etc) but will be penetrated by all tank guns at its BR and even SPAA at point blank range.
-Use this tank as a classic tank destroyer while enjoying its great mobility. Any good move with a casemate TD is a good move with this tank.
+'''When in rural combat:'''
-=== Modules ===
+The Lorraine is a pretty decent sniper at its BR but this is by far one of the best combat roles the Lorraine can have. The 6x sight and the high muzzle velocity will make sniping easier than with other tanks at its BR. It should be noted that the CA Lorraine will not be able to withstand many frontal attacks even at range (PzGr 39 fired from KwK36, 42, 43 and 48 will penetrate the upper frontal plate with ease). Always stay on the move when possible. Fire and move. This is to make each attack unpredictable as people are prompt of revenge killing you with a tank or with an aircraft, always stay aware of your surroundings and stay away from suspicious locations enemies can look forward to detect and engage you.
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-! Tier
-! colspan="2" | Mobility
-! Protection
-! Firepower
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-| Tracks
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-| Parts
-| Horizontal Drive
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-| II
-| Suspension
-| Brake System
-| FPE
-| Adjustment of Fire
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-| III
-| Filters
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-| Crew Replenishment
-| Elevation Mechanism
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-| IV
-| Transmission
-| Engine
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 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
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 * Capable of neutral steering
 * Strong gun mantlet may bounce shots
-* Fast with very good maneuverability
+* Fast with very good manoeuvrability
 '''Cons:'''
-* Weak armor all around
+* Weak armour all around
-* Engines and fuel tanks only have 8mm armor, very vulnerable from above
+* Engines and fuel tanks only have 8mm armour, very vulnerable from above
 * Reload rate is not impressive
 * Poor gun depression (-6)
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 == History ==
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-The CA Lorraine was developed and tested in the late 1940s, but never saw active service.
+===Design===
+In the late 1940s, the French Army was looking to replace the medium tanks Panther and ARL 44 that were becoming obsolete with a new 50t medium tank. Other concepts were explored in parallel to the 50t medium tank: a 25t light tank and a 25t light tank destroyer. The French company Lorraine was tasked with the tank destroyer bid and proposed the Canon d'Assaut Lorraine. Clearly inspired from the layout of the Jagdpanzer IV and the Jagdpanther, the CA Lorraine was to assume the same support role on the battlefield along light and medium tanks.
+===Development===
+A 100 mm SA 47 L/58 gun was chosen to equip on the tank and the armour was kept to a mimimum to save weight and increase mobility. The vehicle featured pneumatic tires in place of road wheels. The upsides of such tires were the possibility to still move the tank destroyer when detracked, a weight reduction and thus a reduced ground pressure and an increased top speed. A prototype was built between 1950 and 1952 but the project was terminated in 1953. The tank destroyer weighed 25 tons, carried 40 shells and could reach 60 km/h. With the experience from the Korean war, the concept of dedicated tank destroyers was gradually abandoned in NATO armies to focus on armoured divisions composed uniquely of main battle tanks.
+===Combat usage===
+The CA Lorraine never saw either service or combat action with the French Army. Its chassis and many other parts were later reused in the development of the Lorraine 40t as well as in other projects.
 == Media ==
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-Skin and Camouflages for the [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=fr_lorraine_100 CA Lorraine] in Warthunder Live.
+;Skins
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_lorraine_100 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+;Videos
+{{Youtube-gallery|wSIXMQ0Gln4|'''The CA Lorraine, French, Tier-4, Tank Destroyer''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''|Gv-Fm4s2iwM|'''CA Lorraine - Fun, Fast 'n Furious''' - ''Napalmratte''}}
 == See also ==
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-* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
+;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
+* [[Lorraine 155 Mle.50]]
+;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
+* [[Jagdpanther]] / [[Bfw. Jagdpanther]]
+* [[SU-100]]
 == External links ==
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-* [[Wikipedia:AMX-50#Char_Lorraine|[Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> AMX-50 - Char Lorraine]]
+* [[wikipedia:Canon_D%27Assaut_Lorraine|[Wikipedia] Canon D'Assaut Lorraine]]
+* [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/France/lorraine-40t <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> Lorraine 40t]
+{{TankManufacturer Lorraine}}
 {{France tank destroyers}}