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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German attack helicopter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Sons of Attila"]].
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The '''Mi-8TB''' was an export modification of the Soviet [[Mi-8TV]], developed in 1968. Its main difference from helicopters in service with the Soviet army was the replacement of the 9M17M "Falanga" ATGM complex with the 9M14M "Malyutka". The helicopter was exported to many countries, in particular, to East Germany, where over 100 Mi-8s of various modifications were supplied. By reunification of Germany in the 1990s, a small number of outdated Mi-8TBs remained in East Germany, as the replacement process with Mi-8MT and Mi-8MTV-2 had not been completed due to the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Germany. The last Mi-8TBs disappeared from German skies in 1992, but some still exist in museums around the country.
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Introduced in [[Update "Sons of Attila"]], the German Mi-8TB differs from the [[Mi-8TV]] only in having six "Malyutka" ATGMs instead of four "Falanga" missiles. In all other respects, the machines are identical - they can carry a large number of rocket pods and bombs, but their enormous size and weight prevent them from actively manoeuvring between trees and terrain, making it quite difficult for them to evade enemy fire.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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The Mi-8TB shares its speed with the Soviet [[Mi-8TV]] having a decent top speed of 260 km/h. This lets the Mi-8TB fly faster than most other helicopters seen at its BR. So getting into the battlefield (and away from it) fast shouldn't be a problem!
  
 
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The Mi-8TB has almost no armour to speak of, except some 8 mm steel and a small 50 mm bulletproof glass protecting the crew, making it very vulnerable to even small-calibre machine guns.
  
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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''This helicopter can carry a variety of weapons such as its main gun, rockets, AGMs and bombs to deal with every kind of ground vehicles you can possibly face; Choose the loadout according to the situation of the battle, if there are no enemy SPAA on the battlefield you can feel free to take rockets or bombs and get close to enemy tanks to unleash your bombs or rockets on them but if there are enemy SPAA or aircrafts present on the battlefield take caution and try to use AGMs to launch them at the enemy SPAA from a distance so it is harder for them to spot you but be aware that most of the SPAA vehicles at this battle rating have access to radars and can know of your presence so always try to keep your profile low and use objects on the map to hide yourself behind them like trees and mountains, it is also a good practice to fly down after launching each AGM because being afloat on the sky and not moving at all will make you easy to hit for enemy tanks, try to have a pick-a-boo style of play always fly down only come up to launch a missile and immediately go down behind a mountain or tree to avoid getting hit after the missile has reached the target and come back up only after making sure that it is safe.''
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This helicopter can carry a variety of weapons such as its main gun, rockets, AGMs and bombs to deal with every kind of ground vehicles you can possibly face; Choose the loadout according to the situation of the battle, if there are no enemy SPAA on the battlefield you can feel free to take rockets or bombs and get close to enemy tanks to unleash your bombs or rockets on them but if there are enemy SPAA or aircraft present on the battlefield take caution and try to use AGMs to launch them at the enemy SPAA from a distance so it is harder for them to spot you but be aware that most of the SPAA vehicles at this battle rating have access to radars and can know of your presence so always try to keep your profile low and use objects on the map to hide yourself behind them like trees and mountains, it is also a good practice to fly down after launching each AGM because being afloat on the sky and not moving at all will make you easy to hit for enemy tanks, try to have a pick-a-boo style of play always fly down only come up to launch a missile and immediately go down behind a mountain or tree to avoid getting hit after the missile has reached the target and come back up only after making sure that it is safe.
  
 
Try to avoid enemy aircraft as it requires a lot of luck or skill to hit the enemy aircraft manually with only your main gun because you do not have any kind of anti-aircraft missiles to protect yourself but thanks to your powerful main gun you can easily hunt enemy helicopters since they fly slow and it is easy to get a lead on them.
 
Try to avoid enemy aircraft as it requires a lot of luck or skill to hit the enemy aircraft manually with only your main gun because you do not have any kind of anti-aircraft missiles to protect yourself but thanks to your powerful main gun you can easily hunt enemy helicopters since they fly slow and it is easy to get a lead on them.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
  
 
* Can carry a relatively large amount of different kinds of weapons at its rank
 
* Can carry a relatively large amount of different kinds of weapons at its rank
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* The main gun has a large amount of ammo and is powerful enough to easily knock out most of the light vehicles at this battle rating
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* The main gun has a large amount of ammo and is powerful enough to easily knock out most light vehicles at this battle rating
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
 
* Does not have any weapons to deal with aircraft except its main gun which must be manually aimed and cannot lock on and follow enemy aircraft's lead
 
* Does not have any weapons to deal with aircraft except its main gun which must be manually aimed and cannot lock on and follow enemy aircraft's lead
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* Does not have [[Ballistic Computer]] so the gun and rocket reticles are not 100% accurate
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* Does not have a [[Ballistic Computer]] so the gun and rocket reticles are not 100% accurate
 
* A relatively large profile makes it easy to hit this helicopter even for non-SPAA vehicles
 
* A relatively large profile makes it easy to hit this helicopter even for non-SPAA vehicles
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
 
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This combat-ready version of the Mi-8 was developed based on the Mi-8T model in 1974. The "TV" designation stands for "Transportno-Vooruzhenny," literally meaning "Transport-Armed." The helicopter was equipped with a movable 12.7mm machine gun in the nose, along with six pylons designed to carry a wide variety of suspended weaponry, including the Falanga anti-tank guided missile. This armament package brought the helicopter’s combat ability roughly in line with early versions of the Mi-24. Despite being modified for combat, the helicopter retained its full troop transport functionality, being able to carry up to 23 soldiers, who could also fire their weapons through loopholes installed in the windows. The Mi-8TV helicopters were produced in limited numbers in Kazan. They were used for various roles in tandem with the Mi-24 and were also supplied to border patrol and naval aviation units.
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This combat-ready version of the Mi-8 was developed based on the Mi-8T model in 1974. The "TV" designation stands for "Transportno-Vooruzhenny," literally meaning "Transport-Armed." The helicopter was equipped with a movable 12.7mm machine gun in the nose, along with six pylons designed to carry a wide variety of suspended weaponry, including the Falanga anti-tank guided missile. This armament package brought the helicopter's combat ability roughly in line with early versions of the Mi-24. Despite being modified for combat, the helicopter retained its full troop transport functionality, being able to carry up to 23 soldiers, who could also fire their weapons through loopholes installed in the windows. The Mi-8TV helicopters were produced in limited numbers in Kazan. They were used for various roles in tandem with the Mi-24 and were also supplied to border patrol and naval aviation units.
  
 
The German Mi-8TB is an export version capable of carrying up to 6 "Malyutka" ATGMs.
 
The German Mi-8TB is an export version capable of carrying up to 6 "Malyutka" ATGMs.
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== Media ==
 
== Media ==
 
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mi_8tb Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
  
 
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{{Youtube-gallery|98kIbV_vNMI|'''Ultimate MI-8 (TV/TB) Guide''' -By Bob Dickinson }}
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{{Youtube-gallery|98kIbV_vNMI|'''Mi-8 (TV/TB) Ultimate Review''' - ''Bob Dickinson''}}
  
 
== See also ==
 
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* ''reference to the series of the helicopter;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the helicopter;''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 
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''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 
  
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* [[Mi-8 (Family)]]
  
 
== External links ==
 
== External links ==

Latest revision as of 16:44, 4 August 2024

This page is about the attack helicopter Mi-8TB (Germany). For other versions, see Mi-8 (Family).
◊Mi-8TB
mi_8tb.png
GarageImage Mi-8TB (Germany).jpg
◊Mi-8TB
Germany flag.png Germany
V Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
9.0 8.3 8.7
Class:
Research:150 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:490 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png

Description

The Mi-8TB was an export modification of the Soviet Mi-8TV, developed in 1968. Its main difference from helicopters in service with the Soviet army was the replacement of the 9M17M "Falanga" ATGM complex with the 9M14M "Malyutka". The helicopter was exported to many countries, in particular, to East Germany, where over 100 Mi-8s of various modifications were supplied. By reunification of Germany in the 1990s, a small number of outdated Mi-8TBs remained in East Germany, as the replacement process with Mi-8MT and Mi-8MTV-2 had not been completed due to the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Germany. The last Mi-8TBs disappeared from German skies in 1992, but some still exist in museums around the country.

Introduced in Update "Sons of Attila", the German Mi-8TB differs from the Mi-8TV only in having six "Malyutka" ATGMs instead of four "Falanga" missiles. In all other respects, the machines are identical - they can carry a large number of rocket pods and bombs, but their enormous size and weight prevent them from actively manoeuvring between trees and terrain, making it quite difficult for them to evade enemy fire.

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 1 000 m260 km/h
Max altitude4 950 m
Engine2 х Klimov TV2-117A
Take-off weight12 t

The Mi-8TB shares its speed with the Soviet Mi-8TV having a decent top speed of 260 km/h. This lets the Mi-8TB fly faster than most other helicopters seen at its BR. So getting into the battlefield (and away from it) fast shouldn't be a problem!

Characteristics Max speed
(km/h at 1,000 m) 		Max altitude
(metres)
AB RB
Stock 251 243 4950
Upgraded ___ ___

Survivability and armour

Crew3 people
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear420 km/h

The Mi-8TB has almost no armour to speak of, except some 8 mm steel and a small 50 mm bulletproof glass protecting the crew, making it very vulnerable to even small-calibre machine guns.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB9 741 → 12 936 Sl icon.png
RB2 793 → 3 709 Sl icon.png
SB4 708 → 6 252 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications265 000 Rp icon.png
419 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost2 200 Ge icon.png
Crew training140 000 Sl icon.png
Experts490 000 Sl icon.png
Aces1 800 Ge icon.png
Research Aces780 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
100 / 300 / 430 % Sl icon.png
202 / 202 / 202 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods jet compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
13 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
20 000 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
Mods cd 98 main rotor.png
Replacing helicopter blades
Research:
15 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
24 000 Sl icon.png
270 Ge icon.png
Mods jet engine.png
Engine
Research:
22 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
35 000 Sl icon.png
400 Ge icon.png
Mods heli flak jacket.png
Flak jacket
Research:
13 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
20 000 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
Mods heli structure.png
Helicopter frame
Research:
15 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
24 000 Sl icon.png
270 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
29 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
46 000 Sl icon.png
530 Ge icon.png
Mods jet engine extinguisher.png
EFS(a)
Research:
29 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
46 000 Sl icon.png
530 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
YaK-B_belt_pack
Research:
13 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
20 000 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods napalm fire bomb.png
ZB-500
Research:
13 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
20 000 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
FAB-100
Research:
15 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
24 000 Sl icon.png
270 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods atgm heli preset.png
9М14
Research:
15 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
24 000 Sl icon.png
270 Ge icon.png
Mods weapon.png
YaK-B_new_gun
Research:
22 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
35 000 Sl icon.png
400 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
FAB-250
Research:
22 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
35 000 Sl icon.png
400 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
FAB-500
Research:
29 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
46 000 Sl icon.png
530 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: A-12.7 (12.7 mm)

The Mi-8TB (Germany) is armed with:

  • 1 x 12.7 mm A-12.7 machine gun, nose turret (700 rpg)

Suspended armament

Main articles: S-5K, 9M14M Malyutka
Main articles: OFAB-100 (100 kg), OFAB-250sv (250 kg), FAB-250M-62 (250 kg), FAB-500M-54 (500 kg), FAB-500M-62 (500 kg)
Main article: ZB-500 incendiary

The Mi-8TB (Germany) can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

Default weapon presets
  • Without load
  • 96 x S-5K rockets
  • 192 x S-5K rockets
  • 192 x S-5K rockets + 2 x 9M14M Malyutka missiles
  • 6 x 9M14M Malyutka missiles
  • 6 x 100 kg OFAB-100 bombs (600 kg total)
  • 6 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (1,500 kg total)
  • 6 x 250 kg FAB-250M-62 bombs (1,500 kg total)
  • 2 x 500 kg FAB-500M-54 bombs (1,000 kg total)
  • 2 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (1,000 kg total)
  • 2 x 500 kg ZB-500 incendiary bombs (1,000 kg total)

Usage in battles

This helicopter can carry a variety of weapons such as its main gun, rockets, AGMs and bombs to deal with every kind of ground vehicles you can possibly face; Choose the loadout according to the situation of the battle, if there are no enemy SPAA on the battlefield you can feel free to take rockets or bombs and get close to enemy tanks to unleash your bombs or rockets on them but if there are enemy SPAA or aircraft present on the battlefield take caution and try to use AGMs to launch them at the enemy SPAA from a distance so it is harder for them to spot you but be aware that most of the SPAA vehicles at this battle rating have access to radars and can know of your presence so always try to keep your profile low and use objects on the map to hide yourself behind them like trees and mountains, it is also a good practice to fly down after launching each AGM because being afloat on the sky and not moving at all will make you easy to hit for enemy tanks, try to have a pick-a-boo style of play always fly down only come up to launch a missile and immediately go down behind a mountain or tree to avoid getting hit after the missile has reached the target and come back up only after making sure that it is safe.

Try to avoid enemy aircraft as it requires a lot of luck or skill to hit the enemy aircraft manually with only your main gun because you do not have any kind of anti-aircraft missiles to protect yourself but thanks to your powerful main gun you can easily hunt enemy helicopters since they fly slow and it is easy to get a lead on them.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Can carry a relatively large amount of different kinds of weapons at its rank
  • The main gun has a large amount of ammo and is powerful enough to easily knock out most light vehicles at this battle rating

Cons:

  • Does not have any weapons to deal with aircraft except its main gun which must be manually aimed and cannot lock on and follow enemy aircraft's lead
  • Does not have a Ballistic Computer so the gun and rocket reticles are not 100% accurate
  • A relatively large profile makes it easy to hit this helicopter even for non-SPAA vehicles

History

This combat-ready version of the Mi-8 was developed based on the Mi-8T model in 1974. The "TV" designation stands for "Transportno-Vooruzhenny," literally meaning "Transport-Armed." The helicopter was equipped with a movable 12.7mm machine gun in the nose, along with six pylons designed to carry a wide variety of suspended weaponry, including the Falanga anti-tank guided missile. This armament package brought the helicopter's combat ability roughly in line with early versions of the Mi-24. Despite being modified for combat, the helicopter retained its full troop transport functionality, being able to carry up to 23 soldiers, who could also fire their weapons through loopholes installed in the windows. The Mi-8TV helicopters were produced in limited numbers in Kazan. They were used for various roles in tandem with the Mi-24 and were also supplied to border patrol and naval aviation units.

The German Mi-8TB is an export version capable of carrying up to 6 "Malyutka" ATGMs.

- From Devblog

Media

Skins
Videos
Mi-8 (TV/TB) Ultimate Review - Bob Dickinson

See also

Related development

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • other literature.


Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant
Attack  Mi-4AV
  Mi-8AMTSh · Mi-8AMTSh-VN · Mi-8TV
  Mi-24A · Mi-24P · Mi-24V
  Mi-28N · Mi-28NM
  Mi-35M
Export  ◊Mi-8TB
  ▂Mi-24D · ◔Mi-24D · ◔Mi-24V · ◔Mi-24P · ◊Mi-24P · ◄Mi-24P HFS 80 · Superhind
  Mi-28A
  ▄Mi-35M

Germany helicopters
Attack 
Hip  ◊Mi-8TB
Hind  ◊Mi-24P · ◄Mi-24P HFS 80
Tiger  EC-665 Tiger UHT
Utility 
BO 105  BO 105 CB-2 · BO 105 PAH-1 · BO 105 PAH-1A1
Alouette  ◄SA 313B Alouette II
Huey  ◄UH-1D

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