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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French SPAA {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Kings of Battle"]].
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is considered one of the first French IFVs. Developed after a request to replace its predecessor, the ageing AMX-VCI, the AMX-10P's first prototype was completed eleven years after the production of the AMX-VCI in 1968. The AMX-10P features a Hispano-Suiza HS-115 engine, which gives the platform 275 horsepower and allows the AMX-10P to reach speeds of up to 65 km/h. Its main armament, the [[GIAT M693/mod F2 (20 mm)|20 mm GIAT M693]] autocannon shares the same rounds as the commonly seen [[Rh202 (20 mm)|Rh202]] but features a slightly lower fire rate of 740 rounds per minute. However, this main armament was increased several times throughout its lifespan, being augmented with MILAN launchers, or in some instances being replaced with higher calibre autocannons and even high calibre cannons to create variants such as the [[AMX-10RC]] and the [[AMX-10M]]. In total, approximately 1,800 units of the AMX-10P were produced, with production ending in 1994, being replaced by the VBCI.
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Introduced in [[Update "Kings of Battle"]], the AMX-10P  provides an excellent, if not exceptional fire rate with the possibility of an APDS belt in an amphibious yet squishy APC hull only offering up to 20 mm of armour. While it should be mostly used for taking down planes, the maximum gun elevation of 50 degrees can sometimes hinder anti-air capability, and smart players can directly fly above the vehicle where it cannot retaliate. However, while not very effective at destroying tanks, the AMX-10P can be used in an ambushing role, able to tear weak opponents apart thanks to its decent APDS belt and dual feed allowing it to switch quickly between belts. Alternatively, the AMX-10P can also flank and scout for its team as an IFV, proving a valuable asset in the hands of a good player.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
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| Casemate ||4 + 25 mm (74°) ''Upper glacis''
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30 mm (46°) ''Lower glacis''
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| 20 mm || 20 mm (22°) || 20 mm
 
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| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
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| Cupola || 30 mm || 30 mm || 30 mm || 30 mm
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| Cupola || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm
 
 
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'''Notes:''' <!-- Any additional notes which the user needs to be aware of -->
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'''Notes:'''
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* Tracks are 15 mm thick
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* Belly armour is 10 mm thick<!-- Any additional notes which the user needs to be aware of -->
 
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=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
 
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=== Modifications and economy ===
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
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! ''Arcade''
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| rowspan="2" | 800 (200) || rowspan="2" | 740 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+50° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__
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| rowspan="2" | 800 (200) || rowspan="2" | 740 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+50° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || 44.0 || 60.9 || 74.0 || 81.8 || 87.1 || rowspan="2" | 10.40 || rowspan="2" | 9.20 || rowspan="2" | 8.48 || rowspan="2" | 8.00
 
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| 29.8 || 35.0 || 42.5 || 47.0 || 50.0
 
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! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 
! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
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* Similar velocity compared to it's counterparts
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* 2 salvoes of smoke grenades ready to be deployed for giving cover to itself or teammates
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* Has amphibious capability
  
 
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'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
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* Thin armour providing almost no protection
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* Has less penetration compared to other SPAA in it's rank
  
 
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'''Development and Design'''
 
'''Development and Design'''
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Following a request from the French Army, the ''Atelier de Construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux'' (AMX) finished the first prototypes around 1968. They were showcased to potential domestic and international customers at Satory in 1969. After a short delay, production finally commenced when the French Army placed its first order in late 1972. The first AMX-10Ps were delivered in mid to late 1973 to the 7th Mechanised Brigade stationed at Reims.
 
Following a request from the French Army, the ''Atelier de Construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux'' (AMX) finished the first prototypes around 1968. They were showcased to potential domestic and international customers at Satory in 1969. After a short delay, production finally commenced when the French Army placed its first order in late 1972. The first AMX-10Ps were delivered in mid to late 1973 to the 7th Mechanised Brigade stationed at Reims.
  
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'''Service'''
 
'''Service'''
  
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The AMX-10P was quite popular in the export market, being primarily used by poorer nations. Greece was the first foreign power to purchase the AMX-10P, who between 1974 and 1977 ordered over 100 vehicles in three separate variants. Qatar ordered 30 AMX-10Ps in 1975, while Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia accounted for large export orders during the early 1980s. The last order was taken from Singapore for AMX-10P PAC-90s in 1994, following which the production lines were closed. All in all, about 1,750 AMX-10Ps were produced.
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The AMX-10P was quite popular in the export market, being primarily used by poorer nations. Greece was the first foreign power to purchase the AMX-10P, who between 1974 and 1977 ordered over 100 vehicles in three separate variants. Qatar ordered 30 AMX-10Ps in 1975, while Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia accounted for large export orders during the early 1980s. The last order was taken from Singapore for AMX-10P PAC-90s in 1994, following which the production lines were closed. All in all, approximately 1800 AMX-10Ps were produced.
  
 
108 AMX-10Ps underwent extensive overhauls to improve their armour and mobility between 2006 and 2008, including new gearboxes and suspension systems. By 2015, however, the AMX-10P had been entirely withdrawn from French service, being replaced by the VBCI.
 
108 AMX-10Ps underwent extensive overhauls to improve their armour and mobility between 2006 and 2008, including new gearboxes and suspension systems. By 2015, however, the AMX-10P had been entirely withdrawn from French service, being replaced by the VBCI.
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== Media ==
 
== Media ==
 
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_10p Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
  
 
== See also ==
 
== See also ==

Latest revision as of 10:52, 22 November 2024

Introducing Wiki 3.0
This page is about the French SPAA AMX-10P. For other versions, see AMX-10M and AMX-10RC.
AMX-10P
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GarageImage AMX-10P.jpg
AMX-10P
France flag.png France
IV Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
6.0 6.3 6.3
Class:
Research:46 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:155 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png

Description

The AMX-10P is considered one of the first French IFVs. Developed after a request to replace its predecessor, the ageing AMX-VCI, the AMX-10P's first prototype was completed eleven years after the production of the AMX-VCI in 1968. The AMX-10P features a Hispano-Suiza HS-115 engine, which gives the platform 275 horsepower and allows the AMX-10P to reach speeds of up to 65 km/h. Its main armament, the 20 mm GIAT M693 autocannon shares the same rounds as the commonly seen Rh202 but features a slightly lower fire rate of 740 rounds per minute. However, this main armament was increased several times throughout its lifespan, being augmented with MILAN launchers, or in some instances being replaced with higher calibre autocannons and even high calibre cannons to create variants such as the AMX-10RC and the AMX-10M. In total, approximately 1,800 units of the AMX-10P were produced, with production ending in 1994, being replaced by the VBCI.

Introduced in Update "Kings of Battle", the AMX-10P provides an excellent, if not exceptional fire rate with the possibility of an APDS belt in an amphibious yet squishy APC hull only offering up to 20 mm of armour. While it should be mostly used for taking down planes, the maximum gun elevation of 50 degrees can sometimes hinder anti-air capability, and smart players can directly fly above the vehicle where it cannot retaliate. However, while not very effective at destroying tanks, the AMX-10P can be used in an ambushing role, able to tear weak opponents apart thanks to its decent APDS belt and dual feed allowing it to switch quickly between belts. Alternatively, the AMX-10P can also flank and scout for its team as an IFV, proving a valuable asset in the hands of a good player.

General info

Survivability and armour

Smoke grenades
Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle
Armourfront / side / back
Hull30 / 20 / 20
Turret30 / 30 / 30
Crew3 people
Visibility92 %

Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.

Armour type:

Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Casemate 4 + 25 mm (74°) Upper glacis

30 mm (46°) Lower glacis

20 mm 20 mm (22°) 20 mm
Cupola 30 mm 30 mm 30 mm 30 mm

Notes:

  • Tracks are 15 mm thick
  • Belly armour is 10 mm thick

Mobility

Amphibious
The design allows you to swim and control movement in the water
Speedforward / back
AB71 / 13 km/h
RB and SB65 / 12 km/h
Number of gears8 forward
2 back
Weight13.8 t
Engine power
AB572 hp
RB and SB300 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB41.4 hp/t
RB and SB21.7 hp/t

Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 71 13 13.8 426 572 30.87 41.45
Realistic 65 12 265 300 19.2 21.74

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB2 628 → 3 776 Sl icon.png
RB2 085 → 2 996 Sl icon.png
SB3 225 → 4 634 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications40 200 Rp icon.png
77 900 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost1 400 Ge icon.png
Crew training45 000 Sl icon.png
Experts155 000 Sl icon.png
Aces630 Ge icon.png
Research Aces440 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
110 / 140 / 200 % Sl icon.png
160 / 160 / 160 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
Mods new tank traks.png
Tracks
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
140 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank suspension.png
Suspension
Research:
1 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
125 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank break.png
Brake System
Research:
1 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
125 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank filter.png
Filters
Research:
3 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 600 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank transmission.png
Transmission
Research:
2 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 000 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank engine.png
Engine
Research:
2 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 000 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mods tank tool kit.png
Improved Parts
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
140 Ge icon.png
Mods extinguisher.png
Improved FPE
Research:
1 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
125 Ge icon.png
Mods tank reinforcement fr.png
Crew Replenishment
Research:
3 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 600 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
Mods smoke screen.png
Smoke grenade
Research:
2 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 000 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank horizontal aiming.png
Horizontal Drive
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
140 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
20mm_rh202_AP_ammo_pack
Research:
2 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 900 Sl icon.png
140 Ge icon.png
Mods tank cannon.png
Adjustment of Fire
Research:
1 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
125 Ge icon.png
Mods airstrike.png
Airstrike
Research:
1 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
3 500 Sl icon.png
125 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank vertical aiming.png
Elevation Mechanism
Research:
3 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 600 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
Mods art support.png
Artillery Support
Research:
2 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 000 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png
Mods scouting.png
Improved optics
Research:
2 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 000 Sl icon.png
180 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Main armament

20 mm GIAT М693/mod F2 automatic cannon
Ammunition800 rounds
Belt capacity200 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
10.4 → 8.0 s
Fire rate740 shots/min
Vertical guidance-8° / 50°
Main article: GIAT M693/mod F2 (20 mm)

Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: {{main|Name of the weapon}}. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.

20 mm GIAT M693/mod F2 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 800 (200) 740 -5°/+50° ±180° - 44.0 60.9 74.0 81.8 87.1 10.40 9.20 8.48 8.00
Realistic 29.8 35.0 42.5 47.0 50.0

Ammunition

  • Default: HVAP-T · HEFI-T
  • DM51A1: HEFI-T · HEFI-T · HEFI-T · HVAP-T
  • DM63: APDS · APDS · APDS · HEFI-T

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
HVAP-T 57 52 37 24 15 10
HEFI-T 7 6 5 3 2 2
APDS 66 61 45 31 21 14
Shell details
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
HVAP-T 1,100 0.11 - - - 66° 70° 72°
HEFI-T 1,100 0.13 0.1 0.1 11.05 79° 80° 81°
APDS 1,150 0.13 - - - 75° 78° 80°

Ammo racks

Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
4 __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __ (+__) __

Machine guns

7.62 mm A-A-F1N machine gun (coaxial)
Ammunition2 000 rounds
Belt capacity100 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
10.4 → 8.0 s
Fire rate900 shots/min
Main article: A-A-F1N (7.62 mm)

Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.

7.62 mm A-A-F1N
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Coaxial 4,600 (100) 900 - -

Usage in battles

Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).

Pros and cons

Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".

Pros:

  • Similar velocity compared to it's counterparts
  • 2 salvoes of smoke grenades ready to be deployed for giving cover to itself or teammates
  • Has amphibious capability

Cons:

  • Thin armour providing almost no protection
  • Has less penetration compared to other SPAA in it's rank

History

The AMX-10P is a French amphibious infantry fighting vehicle. Starting development in 1965, it was designed to replace the AMX-VCI, an IFV based on the AMX-13.

Development and Design

Following a request from the French Army, the Atelier de Construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux (AMX) finished the first prototypes around 1968. They were showcased to potential domestic and international customers at Satory in 1969. After a short delay, production finally commenced when the French Army placed its first order in late 1972. The first AMX-10Ps were delivered in mid to late 1973 to the 7th Mechanised Brigade stationed at Reims.

Featuring a distinctive, pointed hull based on a welded steel or aluminium alloy, the AMX-10P was somewhat similar in appearance to the Marder IFV, but was sizably smaller than the German IFV while also possessing amphibious capability.

The AMX-10P's transmission is composed of a hydraulic torque converter coupled to a gearbox with one reverse and four forward driving gears. The vehicle's torsion bar suspension supports five road wheels with the drive sprocket at the front and idler near the rear, which can be accessed from inside the hull through maintenance panels. The engine used in the AMX-10P is the Hispano-Suiza Model 115-2 eight-cylinder liquid-cooled diesel, which generates 205 kW (275 hp) at 3,000 rpm, giving the vehicle a power-to-weight ratio of 19 hp/ton.

Offensive weapons

Originally, the AMX-10P was fitted with a GIAT M693 automatic cannon, similar to the Rh202 and able to fire both High-Explosive and French OPTSOC APDS rounds developed specifically for the gun. However, over the AMX-10P's long career, it was augmented or replaced several times, including by a M811 25 mm cannon, HOT missiles, the French ACRA missile, and even a wheeled version armed with a 105 mm cannon known as the AMX-10RC.

Service

The AMX-10P was quite popular in the export market, being primarily used by poorer nations. Greece was the first foreign power to purchase the AMX-10P, who between 1974 and 1977 ordered over 100 vehicles in three separate variants. Qatar ordered 30 AMX-10Ps in 1975, while Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia accounted for large export orders during the early 1980s. The last order was taken from Singapore for AMX-10P PAC-90s in 1994, following which the production lines were closed. All in all, approximately 1800 AMX-10Ps were produced.

108 AMX-10Ps underwent extensive overhauls to improve their armour and mobility between 2006 and 2008, including new gearboxes and suspension systems. By 2015, however, the AMX-10P had been entirely withdrawn from French service, being replaced by the VBCI.

Media

Skins

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:

  • topic on the official game forum;
  • other literature.


France anti-aircraft vehicles
Wheeled/Half-tracked  P.7.T AA · CCKW 353 AA · TPK 6.41
AMX-13 Derivatives  VTT DCA · AMX-13 DCA 40
Radar SPAAG  AMX-30 S DCA
Missile SPAA  SANTAL · Roland 1 · ▄ItO 90M
Other  AMX-10P

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