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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]].
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was an adaptation of the Bloch MB.170 for naval purposes. After WWII, France had to use any aircraft to its disposal to rearm their air force; thus the {{Specs|name}} was created, the most important upgrade being the introduction of a single F5W torpedo, which, paired with the aircraft's long range, made it suitable for maritime patrol. The aircraft was retired in 1950 with the introduction of more modern fighter-bombers like the F6F.
  
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Although called a "bomber", with its hard-hitting armament of two 20mm [[MG 151/20 (20 mm)|MG 151/20]] cannons, this plane should be used in a more aggressive role as an attacker, or even a bomber interceptor. The HVAR rockets and the MG 151/20s make it a perfect counter to the much-feared [[BV 238]].
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It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]]. Although called a "bomber", with its hard-hitting armament of two 20 mm [[MG 151/20 (20 mm)|MG 151/20]] cannons, this plane can be used in a more aggressive role as an attacker, or even a bomber interceptor. The HVAR rockets and the MG 151/20s make it a perfect counter to the much-feared [[BV 238]]. Meanwhile, for naval battles, having access to an F5W torpedo gives you the chance to destroy a single ship with a good launch, however the aircraft's large size makes it easy for enemy AA to target you and shoot you down.
  
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
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'''Bomber hunting'''
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While technically a bomber and getting a bomber airspawn, it is also apt as a bomber-interceptor. Players can often find themselves able to get to enemy bombers far before friendly interceptors and air defence fighters, such as P-38s, XP-50s, P-61s, or Whirlwinds are able to get to altitude. What a player can do to dispatch of an enemy bomber is up to them; the 20 mm MG 151s can adequately dispatch of enemy bombers, but players can also use the HVARs to great effect against bombers. The velocity of the HVARs is rather low, so a player that is inexperienced might have an issue at longer ranges, getting in close raises the chances of hitting.
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'''High-altitude fighter'''
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Once the bomber threats have been neutralized, pilots often find themselves above or at the same height as enemy fighters, but the M.B.175T is no slouch. While the positioning of the offensive 20 mm MG151s is unfortunate, the M.B.175T is blessed with a defensive 20 mm MG 151 which can be used to devastating effect. Pilots should chose to work from the top down, focusing on the fighters that are closest relative to the pilot's height. A tactic that can work is to bait them into stalling for what they might think is an easy shot, then using the M.B.175Ts deceptively good turning ability to pounce on a stalled enemy.
  
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Quite maneuverable for its size
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* Quite manoeuvrable for its size
 
* 12 x HVAR rockets as basic payload
 
* 12 x HVAR rockets as basic payload
 
* Armed with two powerful 20 mm MG 151 with a large ammo pool for each
 
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* Gunner is exposed
 
* Gunner is exposed
 
* Does not have a ventral gunner, making it vulnerable to attacks from under
 
* Does not have a ventral gunner, making it vulnerable to attacks from under
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* No bombload
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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<ref>www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-bloch-aircraft/mb-170-178/</ref>The MB 175 was designed at the same time as the MB 174. However, whereas the latter was a long-range reconnaissance aircraft, the MB 175 was intended as a light bomber. The prototype flew on 3rd December 1939, with Daniel Rastel in the cockpit, and the first production aircraft, MB 175 B3 No. 101, was delivered in April 1940.
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Final evolution of the Bloch MB.170 line, the MB.175T is a 1947 adaptation for torpedo bombing purposes. It served with the Aéronavale (French naval aviation) until 1950. <ref>[[wikipedia:Bloch_MB.170#Operational_history|[Wikipedia] Bloch MB.170 - Operational history]]</ref>
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The GR II/52 was the first unit to equip with the light bomber which was used for reconnaissance purposes, as their Potez 63 and 63/11 were incapable of standing up to the Messerschmitt Me-109 E and Me-110. After equipping with the MB 175, the losses incurred by the GR II/52 were very few, thus confirming the remarkable qualities of this aircraft, which unfortunately arrived too late. After being transferred to North Africa, the GR II/52 was entirely re-equipped with MB 175 aircraft, which it kept until 8th November1942 when they were almost all lost during an attack by allied forces on the Oran-la-Sénia air base. The GR I/55 which was the last unit to receive the aircraft, received the first MB 176 aircraft available at the same time as it was equipping with the MB 175, before deploying to North Africa. The Germans were very interested in the aircraft and used several tens of them for training purposes.
 
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In 1945, as the French Navy had ordered a hundred of the “torpedo bomber” version of the MB 175, production of the 175 T was launched at Châteauroux-Déols. As the aircraft became available, they were assigned to the 6 F squadron at Agadir. A few aircraft were used by 10 S squadron at Saint-Raphaël for various tests. The last MB 175 aircraft ended their flying careers at the Rochefort training school where the naval section retained their last aircraft until 1960.
 
  
 
== Media ==
 
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* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/430078-bloch-mb175-t/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
 
* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/430078-bloch-mb175-t/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
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* https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-bloch-aircraft/mb-170-178/
 
  
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Latest revision as of 13:56, 23 August 2024

M.B.175T
mb_175t.png
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ArtImage M.B.175T.jpg
M.B.175T
France flag.png France
II Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
3.0 3.3 3.3
Class:
Research:14 000 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:32 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png

Description

The M.B.175T was an adaptation of the Bloch MB.170 for naval purposes. After WWII, France had to use any aircraft to its disposal to rearm their air force; thus the M.B.175T was created, the most important upgrade being the introduction of a single F5W torpedo, which, paired with the aircraft's long range, made it suitable for maritime patrol. The aircraft was retired in 1950 with the introduction of more modern fighter-bombers like the F6F.

It was introduced in Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea". Although called a "bomber", with its hard-hitting armament of two 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons, this plane can be used in a more aggressive role as an attacker, or even a bomber interceptor. The HVAR rockets and the MG 151/20s make it a perfect counter to the much-feared BV 238. Meanwhile, for naval battles, having access to an F5W torpedo gives you the chance to destroy a single ship with a good launch, however the aircraft's large size makes it easy for enemy AA to target you and shoot you down.

General info

Flight performance

Air brakes
Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps
Max speed
at 3 780 m450 km/h
Turn time26 s
Max altitude8 000 m
EngineGnome Rhone 14N-66
TypeRadial
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight9 t
Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 3,780) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 425 410 8000 27.0 27.7 4.7 4.7 650
Upgraded 479 450 25.2 26.0 12.4 7.9

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
680 280 330 317 260 ~11 ~5
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 325 < 200 < 480 > 180
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
2,900 m 970 hp 1,227 hp

Survivability and armour

Crew2 people
Speed of destruction
Structural680 km/h
Gear280 km/h
  • 10 mm steel plate: pilot headset
  • Self-sealing fuel tanks: inner & middle wings

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB1 049 → 1 335 Sl icon.png
RB1 651 → 2 101 Sl icon.png
SB2 916 → 3 712 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications13 980 Rp icon.png
20 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost860 Ge icon.png
Crew training9 200 Sl icon.png
Experts32 000 Sl icon.png
Aces320 Ge icon.png
Research Aces250 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
70 / 130 / 220 % Sl icon.png
130 / 130 / 130 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
920 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 300 Sl icon.png
115 Ge icon.png
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Research:
920 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 300 Sl icon.png
115 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
780 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 100 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
1 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 700 Sl icon.png
150 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
1 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 700 Sl icon.png
150 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
1 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
2 200 Sl icon.png
190 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
780 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 100 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
1 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
2 200 Sl icon.png
190 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
mg15120_belt_pack
Research:
920 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 300 Sl icon.png
115 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods ammo.png
mg15120_turret_belt_pack
Research:
780 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 100 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods pilon torpedo.png
LBT 130
Research:
780 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 100 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods weapon.png
mg15120_new_gun
Research:
1 200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 700 Sl icon.png
150 Ge icon.png
Mods turret gun.png
mg15120_turret_new_gun
Research:
1 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
2 200 Sl icon.png
190 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 12 x 20 mm MG 151 cannon
Ammunition400 rounds
Fire rate700 shots/min
Main article: MG 151/20 (20 mm)

The M.B.175T is armed with:

  • 2 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons, wing-mounted (200 rpg = 400 total)

Suspended armament

List of setups (2)
Setup 112 x HVAR rockets
Setup 21 x F5W torpedo
Main articles: F5W, HVAR

The M.B.175T can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • 12 x HVAR rockets
  • 1 x F5W torpedo

Defensive armament

Turret20 mm MG 151 cannon
Ammunition250 rounds
Fire rate750 shots/min
Main article: MG 151/20 (20 mm)

The M.B.175T is defended by:

  • 1 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, dorsal turret (250 rpg)

Usage in battles

Bomber hunting

While technically a bomber and getting a bomber airspawn, it is also apt as a bomber-interceptor. Players can often find themselves able to get to enemy bombers far before friendly interceptors and air defence fighters, such as P-38s, XP-50s, P-61s, or Whirlwinds are able to get to altitude. What a player can do to dispatch of an enemy bomber is up to them; the 20 mm MG 151s can adequately dispatch of enemy bombers, but players can also use the HVARs to great effect against bombers. The velocity of the HVARs is rather low, so a player that is inexperienced might have an issue at longer ranges, getting in close raises the chances of hitting.

High-altitude fighter

Once the bomber threats have been neutralized, pilots often find themselves above or at the same height as enemy fighters, but the M.B.175T is no slouch. While the positioning of the offensive 20 mm MG151s is unfortunate, the M.B.175T is blessed with a defensive 20 mm MG 151 which can be used to devastating effect. Pilots should chose to work from the top down, focusing on the fighters that are closest relative to the pilot's height. A tactic that can work is to bait them into stalling for what they might think is an easy shot, then using the M.B.175Ts deceptively good turning ability to pounce on a stalled enemy.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Not controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Combined Not controllable
1 gear 		Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Has air brakes
  • Quite manoeuvrable for its size
  • 12 x HVAR rockets as basic payload
  • Armed with two powerful 20 mm MG 151 with a large ammo pool for each
  • One 20 mm MG 151/20 defensive turret to easily deal with enemies in its shooting range

Cons:

  • MG 151/20 is mounted in the wings far off the fuselage, requires adjustment of convergence for accurate hits on enemy
  • Turret is only good for enemies above the aircraft; large blindside due to plane's twin rudders
  • Flaps have a rather low speed limit before they tear off
  • Gunner is exposed
  • Does not have a ventral gunner, making it vulnerable to attacks from under
  • No bombload

History

Final evolution of the Bloch MB.170 line, the MB.175T is a 1947 adaptation for torpedo bombing purposes. It served with the Aéronavale (French naval aviation) until 1950. [1]

Media

Skins
Videos
The Shooting Range #249 - Metal Beasts section at 00:28 discusses the M.B.175T.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

References

  1. ↑ [Wikipedia] Bloch MB.170 - Operational history


Dassault Aviation
WW2* 
Fighters  M.B.152C1 · M.B.157
Bombers  M.B.162 · M.B.174A-3 · M.B.175T
Jet Aircraft 
M.D 450  M.D.450B Barougan · M.D.450B Ouragan
Mystère  M.D.452 IIA · M.D.452 IIC · Mystere IVA
Super Mystère  Super Mystere B2
Étendard  Etendard IVM
Super Étendard  Super Etendard
Alpha Jet  Alpha Jet E**
Mirage 
Mirage III  Mirage IIIC · Mirage IIIE · Milan
Mirage V  Mirage 5F
Mirage F1  Mirage F1C · Mirage F1C-200 · Mirage F1CT
Mirage 2000  Mirage 2000-5F · Mirage 2000C-S4 · Mirage 2000C-S5 · Mirage 2000D-R1 · Mirage 2000D-RMV
Mirage 4000  Mirage 4000
Export 
M.D 450  M.D.450B Ouragan
Mystere  Mystere IVA
Super Mystère  Sambad · Sa'ar***
Mirage  Shahak · ▄Mirage 5BA · ␗Mirage 2000-5Ei
  *The company was named "Société des Avions Marcel Bloch" before being renamed in 1947
  **Jointly manufactured with Dornier Flugzeugwerke
  ***Israeli Super Mystère refitted with new avionics and an American engine
See also  SABCA

France bombers
Farman  F.222.2 · N.C.223.3
Latécoère  Late 298D
Potez  Potez 633
Liore et Olivier  LeO 451 early · LeO 451 late
Bloch  M.B.174A-3 · M.B.162 · M.B.175T
American  V-156-F · Martin 167-A3 · ▄A-35B · ▄SB2C-5 · B-26C · ▄PBY-5A Late · ▄PB4Y-2
British  Lancaster MR.7

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