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{{About
 
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| about = strike aircraft '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
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| about = French twin-engine fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
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| link = Tornado (Family)
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| link = VB.10-02
 
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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During the acquisition of the Tornado IDS by the Luftwaffe, the Deutschemarine (German Navy) also received 112 Tornado IDS aircraft for the anti-shipping and maritime patrol/reconnaissance roles. The naval Tornados, designated ''"Marineflieger"'', were easily recognizable due to the sea-gray liveries they usually used, and were outfitted with special weapon systems not found on the Luftwaffe Tornados, allowing them to use the [[AS.34 Kormoran]] anti-ship missile and BL775 cluster munitions. At the end of the Cold War, per the CFE Treaty, half of the Marinefliegers would be removed from naval service and instead incorporated into the Luftwaffe, to replace a wing of reconnaissance RF-4 Phantoms. The remaining Marinefliegers would continue their anti-shipping and maritime roles until 2005, when their units were disbanded and the Tornados were dispersed back into the Luftwaffe and upgraded into the [[Tornado IDS ASSTA1 (Germany)|ASSTA]] standard.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a heavy fighter designed in France, based in the [[V.G.33C-1|V.G.33]] that failed to enter production in WWII due to the capitulation of France in 1940. The aircraft was meant for post-war service with 200 aircraft ordered in 1946, however this was reduced to only 50 a few years later. Powered by two Hispano-Suiza HS 12Z Ars 15/16 engines, the aircraft was armed with four 20 mm cannons, although further versions also added six 12.7 mm HMGs. However, in the end, the order for this aircraft was cancelled, with the French Air Force deciding to rely on Allied aircraft such as the F6F, F8F, and F4U while their own jet-powered aircraft were being developed.
  
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was introduced during [[Update "Apex Predators"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/8021-event-winter-quest-en|2022 Winter Quest]] event. Being a older Tornado IDS variant, it lacks the [[Tornado IDS ASSTA1 (Germany)|ASSTA1]] upgrade found on its tech tree counterpart, meaning it can not use guided bombs and advanced targeting pods. However, being the Marineflieger (Naval variant), it gets access to the active radar [[AS.34 Kormoran]] anti-ship missiles, a very unique and niche weapon system. The Tornado is not great at air-to-air combat, and as this variant lacks its laser-guided bombs, it's also somewhat underwhelming in mixed battles against tanks. The IDS Marineflieger serves best as a collector's vehicle, due to its rare gift/event vehicle status, unique camouflages, and special weaponry. The aircraft does find a niche use on certain maps in Air [[Simulator Battles]], where its anti-ship missiles can be used against AI controlled naval targets.
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It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]]. The VB.10 is a twin-engine fighter, with the second engine hidden behind the pilot driving its own set of propellers. Owing to its sleek design and contra-rotating propellers, it might appear as a single-engine super-prop fighter. With 2 engines, the plane can achieve high speeds but it is heavy and does not fare well in dogfights. It has access to a powerful offensive armament in the form of four 20 mm cannons, this paired with its good top speed, makes the aircraft great for boom and zoom, however for this, side climbing at the start of the match is highly recommended.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Flight performance ===
 
=== Flight performance ===
 
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The flight performance of the VB.10C-1 is as you would expect of an interceptor/heavy fighter. Although its manoeuvrability is generally sluggish and its turn rate poor, it does have many advantages that fit its playstyle well. Important among these is its strong rate of climb, which allows you to reach high climbing bombers. This couples well with the aircraft's high dive speed provided by its twin engines and aerodynamic contours. It also has a high straight-line speed to its advantage, which allows players of the VB.10 C-1 to outrun many opponents that could out-turn it (i.e. most single-engine fighters and some heavy fighters). This high speed also allows it to catch up to bombers on its level, although this is not recommended as this will often lead to a slower approach than attacking from above.
  
 
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! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
 
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! colspan="2" | Max speed<br>(km/h at 11,582 m)
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 7,000 m)
 
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! Stock
 
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| 20000 || 20000 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 29.4 || 29.5 || 172.1 || 169.8 || rowspan="2" | 80
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| 679 || 659 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 25.4 || 26.5 || 11.7 || 11.7 || rowspan="2" | 700
 
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| 20000 || 2000 || 28.6 || 29.0 || 220.0 || 195.0
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| 739 || 710 || 22.8 || 24.0 || 19.3 || 15.4
 
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==== Details ====
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====Details====
 
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! colspan="5" | Features
 
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
 
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| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
 
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! colspan="7" | Limits
 
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! rowspan="2" | Limits
 
 
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
 
! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
 
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
 
! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
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! Min sweep
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 498 || 469 || 320 || ~11 || ~6
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| 972 || rowspan="2" | 560<!--{{Specs|destruction|gear}}--> || 1,166 || 552 || 440 || ~8 || ~3
 
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! Max sweep
 
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| 1,555 || N/A || N/A || N/A || ~9 || ~3
 
 
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 
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| < 670 || < 650 || < 700 || N/A
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| < 380 || < 380 || < 540 || > 340
 
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==== Engine performance ====
 
 
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! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
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! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
 
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| colspan="2" | Turbo-Union RB199-34R Mk.103 || 2
 
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| colspan="3" | 14,709 kg || colspan="3" | ___ kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 
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! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
 
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! colspan="5" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | {{Annotation|Max Gross<br>Weight|Mass of the fully equipped aircraft with heaviest weapons load}}
 
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| 968 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning low-bypass turbofan
 
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| 16,236 kg || 16,523 kg || 17,429 kg || 18,789 kg || 19,799 kg || 25,423 kg
 
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! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
 
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! colspan="6" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
 
 
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! Condition || 100% || WEP
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! 16m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 45m fuel || 56m fuel || MGW
 
 
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| ''Stationary'' || 3,777 kgf || 7,293 kgf
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! Optimal altitude
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| 0.90 || 0.88 || 0.84 || 0.78 || 0.74 || 0.57
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! 100% Engine power
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! WEP Engine power
 
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| ''Optimal'' || 4,192 kgf<br>(1,400 km/h) || 8,155 kgf<br>(1,400 km/h)
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| 6,400 m ||1,315 hp||1,500 hp
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| 1.00 || 0.99 || 0.94 || 0.87 || 0.82 || 0.64
 
 
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{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 
{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 
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''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''
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The aircraft is generally quite survivable. Although there are no armour plates, only 50 mm of glass in front of the pilot, the position of the engines in front of and behind the pilot provides them with a protective sandwich, meaning that they are less likely to be taken out by a stray bullet. However, the plane's tail structure is also quite weak, meaning it is vulnerable to structural damage from behind, and also to fires.
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* 50 mm Bulletproof glass in front and rear of the cockpit.
  
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
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== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
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! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs) !! Lead indicator
 
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=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
 
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{{main|Mauser BK27 (27 mm)}}
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{{main|Hispano 404 (20 mm)}}
  
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
  
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* 2 x 27 mm Mauser BK27 cannons, chin-mounted (180 rpg = 360 total)
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* 4 x 20 mm Hispano 404 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 600 total)
  
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=== Suspended armament ===
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The offensive armament of the VB.10C-1 is one of its strongest suits. Although the 20mm Hispano cannons' damage can be inconsistent, particularly when stock, their performance improves greatly once the armament modifications are researched. These modifications will reduce the spread of the cannons as well as improve their damage, improving their potency against targets. The most potent belt is the stealth belt, although using this against manoeuvrable fighters will require some leading practice.
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== Usage in battles ==
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The VB.10C-1, like most heavy fighters, is reliant on side climbing to engage enemy fighters, however this isn't the only way to play the VB.10C-1, if you decide to side climb and wait for enemy planes to drop down to lower altitudes they will find themselves in peril when a experienced pilot in a VB.10C-1 comes booming past with its quick dive rate and deadly armament of 4 x 20 mm Hispano 404 cannons. The best tactic when flying solo is Boom & Zoom and play as the team's support fighter, as its great acceleration and heavy weight can allow you to make fast attacks against unsuspecting enemy fighters at lower altitudes that are pre-occupied with fighting friendly aircraft. The heavy weight can also help carry the planes speed when extending and helps retain a bit of speed when going back into a climb, be aware however that the VB.10C-1's size and weight makes it a considerable target if you happen to miss your engagement. The best tactic when flying in a group of two or more is to help teammates that are struggling in a dogfight with enemy fighters, as a large target the VB.10C-1 can distract enemy fighters and outrun most using its advantage in weight and energy which allows teammates to slide onto the enemies six o'clock and finish them off.
  
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If you need to do a quick turn, set combat flaps and reduce the power of the engine to around 50%, then turn and close the combat flaps when half-finished with your manoeuvre. Be aware that turning in the VB.10C-1 is a way to intentionally or unintentionally bleed off any built-up energy. Conserve energy when possible in the VB.10C-1 as it lacks the capabilities to dogfight other fighters in fast or slow turning engagements.
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===Manual Engine Control===
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! [[LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83]] bombs
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! rowspan="2" | Pitch
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! colspan="3" | Radiator
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! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
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! Oil
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! Water
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! Type
 
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! [[AIM-9L Sidewinder]] missiles
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| || 1 || || || || || || || || 1 ||
 
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! [[AS.34 Kormoran]] missiles
 
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! Large calibre countermeasures
 
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! 1,500 l drop tanks
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
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* 2 x 1,500 l drop tanks
 
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* 2 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles
 
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* 7 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (7,000 lb total)
 
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* 7 x 1,000 lb Mk 83 AIR bombs (7,000 lb total)
 
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* 12 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (12,000 lb total)
 
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* 12 x 1,000 lb Mk 83 AIR bombs (12,000 lb total)
 
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* 4 x AS.34 Kormoran missiles
 
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* 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
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This Tornado sits at a lower BR than the other Tornados. In secluded 1-vs-1, energy trapping an opponent is a viable option. However, one needs to be aware of their surroundings so as not to be third-partied while at a lower speed.
 
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It is advisable to bomb enemy bases, since the Tornado is not very good in air combat. Since you will almost always be ahead of your team, it is advisable to throw flares when you are going to bomb a base. Once the bases are bombed there are two options:
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Good acceleration and excellent top speed
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* Very fast at all altitudes, especially in a dive
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** Higher bomb load and speed than SU-22
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* Competitive climb rate at most altitudes
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* Mauser BK27 guns have decent hitting power and ammunition capacity
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* Good turn rate for it size
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* Unlike other Tornado versions, has anti-ship equipment (missiles and radar)
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* Good cockpit visibility (important for simulator battle players)
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* Access to two AIM-9L Sidewinder air-to-air missiles stock
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* Can fly well with one engine, improving its chance to limp back to the airfield for repairs
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* Can work as a figther when necessary
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* Gets an airspawn
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** Variable wing sweep allows it to turn better when at low speeds, or during an emergency at high speed (at the risk of destroying itself)
 
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** Radar assisted gun makes intercepting incoming or leaving planes easier
 
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'''Cons'''
  
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* Bad manoeuvrability makes air-to-air combat challenging, low air-to-air missile amount to compensate unlike other attacker options
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* The hidden rear-mounted engine can be hit by a chasing enemy
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* No access to guided bombs unlike other Tornados
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* Heavy plane, resulting into poor flat acceleration and roll rate
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* Unstable wings, plane can rip itself apart when bombing at maximum speed at low altitude or when doing negative G manoeuvres
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* Rudder is unresponsive at high speeds
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* AS.34 Kormoran missiles are rather unreliable weapon even against the ships, the anti-ship search radar cannot locate planes
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* Guns are mounted far from the centre, can make lining up shot difficult
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* Tracking radar (ACM) is limited to 5°x6° until the target is locked
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* Relatively low ammo count
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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=== Concept ===
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'''Development'''
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In 1967, the countries of Great Britain, Belgium, Canada, Italy, the Netherlands, and West Germany decided to jointly develop a multirole fighter aircraft to replace the F-104 Starfighter. In 1968, the Netherlands, Canada, and Belgium left the project and the remaining nations signed an initial agreement. The definition phase began in 1969, requirements were placed on the new aircraft. The aircraft should be able to perform conventional and nuclear attacks, as well as aerial reconnaissance and naval warfare. To perform these tasks, the aircraft should have high survivability and be able to fly at extreme low altitudes, with high weapon accuracy in all weather conditions.
 
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=== Development ===
 
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In 1969, Rolls-Royce was chosen as the manufacturer of the new twin-jet engine.
 
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Britain prevailed over Germany on the crew: Germany demanded one seat, as they did in the Starfighter. Ultimately, however, the decision was made to have two seats.
 
  
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Production was split between nations, with being Britain responsible for the cockpit and tail, as well as the vertical stabilizer.
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The Arsenal VB-10 was a continuation in development from the earlier [[V.G.33C-1|VG-33]] aircraft designed during the early war period but unable to be manufactured in great numbers before the Battle of France which began in May 1940.
  
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Germany made the center fuselage and air intakes, and Italy made the wings. Final assembly took place from 1973 on the three lines in Warton (Great Britain), Manching (Germany), and Turin (Italy). In 1976, the aircraft, previously known as the MRCA, was given the name Tornado. The first flight took place on August 14, 1974 in Manching (Germany). A total of 10 prototypes and six pre-production aircraft were built, of which the prototype P08 sadly crashed in 1979.
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An initial order for 200 aircraft was placed after a test flight of the second prototype in September 1946 to enter service post-war, though this was reduced to 50 within three years. The first VB-10 took flight on 3<sup>rd</sup> November 1947 with Hispano-Suiza HS 12Z Ars 15/16 engines and the now standard armament for the prototype, four 20 mm cannons, replacing the prototypes' prior 12.7 mm machine guns.
  
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VB.10C-1

Description

The VB.10C-1 was a heavy fighter designed in France, based in the V.G.33 that failed to enter production in WWII due to the capitulation of France in 1940. The aircraft was meant for post-war service with 200 aircraft ordered in 1946, however this was reduced to only 50 a few years later. Powered by two Hispano-Suiza HS 12Z Ars 15/16 engines, the aircraft was armed with four 20 mm cannons, although further versions also added six 12.7 mm HMGs. However, in the end, the order for this aircraft was cancelled, with the French Air Force deciding to rely on Allied aircraft such as the F6F, F8F, and F4U while their own jet-powered aircraft were being developed.

It was introduced in Update 1.73 "Vive la France". The VB.10 is a twin-engine fighter, with the second engine hidden behind the pilot driving its own set of propellers. Owing to its sleek design and contra-rotating propellers, it might appear as a single-engine super-prop fighter. With 2 engines, the plane can achieve high speeds but it is heavy and does not fare well in dogfights. It has access to a powerful offensive armament in the form of four 20 mm cannons, this paired with its good top speed, makes the aircraft great for boom and zoom, however for this, side climbing at the start of the match is highly recommended.

General info

Flight performance

The flight performance of the VB.10C-1 is as you would expect of an interceptor/heavy fighter. Although its manoeuvrability is generally sluggish and its turn rate poor, it does have many advantages that fit its playstyle well. Important among these is its strong rate of climb, which allows you to reach high climbing bombers. This couples well with the aircraft's high dive speed provided by its twin engines and aerodynamic contours. It also has a high straight-line speed to its advantage, which allows players of the VB.10 C-1 to outrun many opponents that could out-turn it (i.e. most single-engine fighters and some heavy fighters). This high speed also allows it to catch up to bombers on its level, although this is not recommended as this will often lead to a slower approach than attacking from above.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 7,000 m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 679 659 25.4 26.5 11.7 11.7 700
Upgraded 739 710 22.8 24.0 19.3 15.4

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
✓ ✓ ✓ X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
498 469 320 ~11 ~6
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 380 < 380 < 540 > 340
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
6,400 m 1,315 hp 1,500 hp

Survivability and armour

The aircraft is generally quite survivable. Although there are no armour plates, only 50 mm of glass in front of the pilot, the position of the engines in front of and behind the pilot provides them with a protective sandwich, meaning that they are less likely to be taken out by a stray bullet. However, the plane's tail structure is also quite weak, meaning it is vulnerable to structural damage from behind, and also to fires.

  • 50 mm Bulletproof glass in front and rear of the cockpit.

Modifications and economy

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: Hispano 404 (20 mm)

The VB.10C-1 is armed with:

  • 4 x 20 mm Hispano 404 cannons, wing-mounted (150 rpg = 600 total)

The offensive armament of the VB.10C-1 is one of its strongest suits. Although the 20mm Hispano cannons' damage can be inconsistent, particularly when stock, their performance improves greatly once the armament modifications are researched. These modifications will reduce the spread of the cannons as well as improve their damage, improving their potency against targets. The most potent belt is the stealth belt, although using this against manoeuvrable fighters will require some leading practice.

Usage in battles

The VB.10C-1, like most heavy fighters, is reliant on side climbing to engage enemy fighters, however this isn't the only way to play the VB.10C-1, if you decide to side climb and wait for enemy planes to drop down to lower altitudes they will find themselves in peril when a experienced pilot in a VB.10C-1 comes booming past with its quick dive rate and deadly armament of 4 x 20 mm Hispano 404 cannons. The best tactic when flying solo is Boom & Zoom and play as the team's support fighter, as its great acceleration and heavy weight can allow you to make fast attacks against unsuspecting enemy fighters at lower altitudes that are pre-occupied with fighting friendly aircraft. The heavy weight can also help carry the planes speed when extending and helps retain a bit of speed when going back into a climb, be aware however that the VB.10C-1's size and weight makes it a considerable target if you happen to miss your engagement. The best tactic when flying in a group of two or more is to help teammates that are struggling in a dogfight with enemy fighters, as a large target the VB.10C-1 can distract enemy fighters and outrun most using its advantage in weight and energy which allows teammates to slide onto the enemies six o'clock and finish them off.

If you need to do a quick turn, set combat flaps and reduce the power of the engine to around 50%, then turn and close the combat flaps when half-finished with your manoeuvre. Be aware that turning in the VB.10C-1 is a way to intentionally or unintentionally bleed off any built-up energy. Conserve energy when possible in the VB.10C-1 as it lacks the capabilities to dogfight other fighters in fast or slow turning engagements.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Separate Not controllable
1 gear 		Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Very fast at all altitudes, especially in a dive
  • Competitive climb rate at most altitudes
  • Good turn rate for it size
  • Good cockpit visibility (important for simulator battle players)
  • Can fly well with one engine, improving its chance to limp back to the airfield for repairs
  • Gets an airspawn

Cons

  • The hidden rear-mounted engine can be hit by a chasing enemy
  • Heavy plane, resulting into poor flat acceleration and roll rate
  • Rudder is unresponsive at high speeds
  • Guns are mounted far from the centre, can make lining up shot difficult
  • Relatively low ammo count

History

Development

The Arsenal VB-10 was a continuation in development from the earlier VG-33 aircraft designed during the early war period but unable to be manufactured in great numbers before the Battle of France which began in May 1940.

Under the Vichy government, the prior prototypes were reconsidered, and updated designs needed to be produced. Thus, the VB-10's distinctive design of liquid cooled tandem engines were born. This was a method of circumnavigating the lack of a 2,000 HP engine with two 1,000 HP engines[1]. The new design was higher performance than two similar American interceptor projects; the XP-62[2] and XP-67[3], the twinned engine system producing a higher top speed and competitive rates of climb and service range during a test flight in July 1945.[4]

Production

An initial order for 200 aircraft was placed after a test flight of the second prototype in September 1946 to enter service post-war, though this was reduced to 50 within three years. The first VB-10 took flight on 3rd November 1947 with Hispano-Suiza HS 12Z Ars 15/16 engines and the now standard armament for the prototype, four 20 mm cannons, replacing the prototypes' prior 12.7 mm machine guns.

The order was cancelled in September 1948 after just four of the aircraft were completed and tested. During the tests, mechanical failures caused two serious crashes, one of which was fatal and the aircraft were scrapped. The French Air Force would rely on foreign Allied fighter aircraft until the national production of jet-powered fighters began.[4]

Media

Skins
Videos
The Shooting Range #159 - Pages of History section at 04:28 discusses the VB.10.

See also

External links

References

Citations
  1. ↑ Hartmann, G. (2007)
  2. ↑ Bowers, P. (1979)
  3. ↑ Francillion, R. (1988)
  4. ↑ 4.0 4.1 Green, W., Swanborough, G. (2001)
Bibliography
  • Hartman, Gérard. (2007). Dossiers historiques et techniques aéronautique française. On-Line at Hydroretro.net - L'Arsenal de l'aéronautique.pdf. Retreived 13 August 2021
  • Bowers, Peter. (1987). Curtiss Aircraft, 1907-1947. London: Putnam, pp.327-331. LCCN:87062882
  • Francillion, René. (1988). McDonnell Douglas Aircraft Since 1920. (Vol. 2). London: Putnam Aeronautical Books, p.372. On-Line at Archive.org - McDonnel Douglas Aircraft Since 1920
  • Green, William; Swanborough, Gordon. (2001). The Complete Book of Fighters: An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Every Fighter Aircraft Built and Flown. London: Salamander Books Ltd., pp. 30-31.


Arsenal Aeronautical (Arsenal de l'Aéronautique)
Fighters  VB.10-02 · VB.10C-1
  V.G.33C-1

France twin-engine fighters and strike aircraft
Twin-engine fighters  Potez 630 · Potez 631 · VB.10C-1 · VB.10-02
Strike aircraft  Br.693AB2 · ▄AD-4 · ▄AD-4NA
Netherlands 
Twin-engine fighters  ◗Fokker G.IA
Strike aircraft  ◘Firefly F.Mk.IV

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