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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]].
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Red Skies"]]. The Aerfer Sagittario 2 is one of the more nimble and dog-fight friendly jets that Italy has access to inside its tech tree. It has great handling and 2 fast firing cannons which destroy pretty much any aircraft that is unlucky enough to get hit by it. Sadly it does not have a lot of fuel for it to be able to stay in the air for too long, so players may not want to over extend when playing the aircraft. Aerfer Sagittario 2 is a prototype aircraft which was competing with other NATO designed aircraft during the cold war, with its aim to become the next standard NATO jet. Although the Fiat G.91 was the winner, Aerfer would go unto develop the Aerfer Ariete, which was based on the Sagittario but with an extra engine.
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A development of the [[J-6A|J-6]]/[[MiG-19PT|MiG-19]], the Nanchang Q-5 is the first jet aircraft in the Chinese tech tree of indigenous design. Its wings and rear fuselage still closely resemble the MiG-19 but the new forward fuselage with side-mounted air intakes and a pointed nose give it a distinctive sleek appearance. Designed as an attacker, this early version of the Q-5 has better ground attack ordnance than the J-6A with access to 90 mm rocket pods and up to four 250 kg bombs. It also works well in the air-to-air role, having toned-down flight characteristics and armament compared to the J-6A at a lower battle rating in Realistic Battles. The Q-5 is not the most beginner friendly of aircraft but skilled pilots can still enjoy this iconic piece of Chinese aviation history.
 
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Succeeding the Q-5 early is the improved [[Q-5A]], which boasts countermeasures, stronger rockets, and additional engine power.
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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Despite weighing about 10% more than the J-6A when empty, the Q-5 early still feels similar in terms of general flight performance. Acceleration, climb, and turning capability are good for its battle rating and the Q-5 can match or exceed late subsonic and early supersonic aircraft. It can reach about 1210 km/h at sea level thanks to its cleaner aerodynamic design, which actually compares very well to the J-6A, but it is noticeably slower than the J-6A at higher altitudes. It compresses more in dives, has somewhat worse low speed handling, and does not carry as much fuel. Anyone used to flying the J-6A or MiG-19PT will have few issues transitioning to the Q-5 and similar tactics can be used.
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The Sagittario 2 has great manoeuvrability, at its battle rating and even above it, there won't be many aircraft that can match your speed, rate of climb, or first turn response time. Whilst playing the Sagittario 2, you are able to do amazing manoeuvres that the enemy team could only dream of doing. Due to this, an experienced player in this aircraft can become quite a dangerous opponent. The max altitude of the Sagittario 2 is 11,000 metres, thanks to its rate of climb, you should be able to reach a good altitude at the beginning of the match with minimal effort required. One other great thing is how easily you can pull Gs with it, use it to your advantage and you should rack up quite a few eliminations.
  
 
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| 1,005 || 978 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 25.0 || 25.6 || 36.6 || 34.7 || rowspan="2" | 1,000
 
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
 
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
 
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 500 || 458 || ~11 || ~5
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| 1,125 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 498 || 469 || 320 || ~12 || ~4
 
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 
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| colspan="2" | 6,453 kg || colspan="2" | 290 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
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| colspan="2" | 2,405 kg || colspan="3" | 227 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 
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| 0.57 || 0.52 || 0.48 || 0.46 || 0.27
 
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| ''Optimal'' || 2,323 kgf<br />(1,000 km/h) || 3,285 kgf<br />(1,000 km/h)
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The Q-5 protects the pilot from small arms fire and machine guns, but at a battle rating of 9.7, this level of protection does not amount to much. Enemy cannons and missiles will make short work of the Q-5 so avoiding incoming fire is paramount. The twin engines are likely to be damaged by attacks from the rear, but having two of them offers some extra survivability since it is capable of flying back to base on one engine. The elevators also have separate damage models and the aircraft remains somewhat controllable if one of them is blown off.
 
  
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
 
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
 
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The original 30 mm [[Type 30-1 (30 mm)|Type 30]]/[[NR-30 (30 mm)|NR-30]] cannons, known for their fearsome firepower, have been replaced with 23 mm cannons identical to the [[NR-23 (23 mm)|NR-23]] cannons found on earlier Soviet jets like the [[J-4]]/[[MiG-17]]. These are significantly less powerful due to their lower explosive content, rate of fire, kinetic damage, and muzzle velocity. They typically require a solid burst of hits to destroy a target instead of dismembering enemy fighters with a brief touch. On the bright side, they have more ammunition with about 8 seconds of firing time and the Q-5 early's opponents tend to be slower than the J-6A's. Lead generously and try to get close to your opponent before unloading. Using them against ground targets should not be a priority since their penetration is no higher than a heavy machine gun and the ammo supply is not plentiful, all things considered.
 
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The default belt has an even mix of FI-T and AP-I rounds and should be satisfactory from the start. Gun convergence is not a major issue since the cannons are mounted close to the centerline of the aircraft in the wing roots, and is up to personal preference.
 
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* 4 x 250 kg Type 250-2 bombs + 14 x Type 90-1 rockets (1,000 kg total)
 
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The Q-5 early's suspended armaments are an improvement over the J-6A, but nothing spectacular. It can carry four 250 kg bombs, two mounted on fuselage hardpoints and two mounted in the internal bomb bay. These are small for the Q-5's battle rating and four of them is not enough to destroy a single base. In mixed battles, they require more precision against ground targets than the typical 1000 lb/500 kg bombs used for CAS.
 
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In addition to the bombs, it can carry a pair of 90 mm rocket pods with seven rockets each. The Type 90-1 rockets are better than the anemic S-5 rockets used by typical Soviet jets and can penetrate 280 mm of armour with 1.03 kg of TNT equivalent, but their capacity is very limited; the contemporary [[F-100D]] can carry up to 76 comparable FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets.
 
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The Q-5 early can be used similarly to the MiG-19 or J-6A. As discussed, it has inferior performance and armament but tends to face easier opposition.
 
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Although it was historically an attack aircraft, the Q-5 is not a first-rate ground attacker in Air RB since its ordnance is rather anemic compared to other jets at its battle rating. It cannot destroy a base with its four 250 kg bombs, but this is still an option for supplementary research points when grinding: stay at low altitude, loop around to a side base, drop the bombs, then head towards the center of the map to join the furball. Going after AI ground vehicles with the bombs and rockets can also be successful provided that other jets do not arrive quickly to crash the party.
 
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When fighting subsonic aircraft, try to enter engagements with a speed advantage. The Q-5 accelerates well and has a high top speed at sea level, so it's not difficult to make a pass and escape afterwards while dodging some fire. If an enemy is catching up to you or is getting too close for comfort, pull them into a climbing spiral or other vertical maneuvers; the Q-5 has enough of the MiG-19's climb and thrust-to-weight to energy fight in a similar manner and a stalled-out target is easier to gun down. Against supersonic aircraft, the Q-5's speed advantage is lessened and it needs to utilize its turn rate and acceleration more. In a full uptier, the Q-5 does not have many options against Mach-2 capable jets with radar-guided missiles. Stay at lower altitudes and pick off distracted opponents opportunistically.
 
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The lack of missiles is a significant drawback since the Q-5 has a difficult time forcing escaping enemies to dodge or shooting down stall-climbing opponents. It also has no countermeasures, so if a [[Harrier GR.1]] with SRAAMs manages to get close on the Q-5's tail, the situation is unlikely to end well. The main selling point of this aircraft is its performance as opposed to its weapons or defenses; good situational awareness and judgement are necessary to make the most out of it.
 
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The Q-5 early can be used in a lineup with the [[ZTZ96]]. It has a harder time destroying enemy tanks than the [[F-100A (China)|F-100A]]'s Bullpups or large bombs, but the ability to carry both bombs and rockets in the same loadout can be entertaining and the Q-5 performs well in low-altitude dogfights.
 
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The Type 90-1 rockets can penetrate most targets not equipped with composite armour or ERA. Against protected targets, attacks should be made to the roof, side, or rear. Try using them against soft targets like light tanks and SPAAs that are vulnerable to overpressure. The main drawback to these rockets is their low capacity. Do not expect to score more than one kill or assist unless your aim is exceptional.
 
  
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The 250 kg bombs, which are dropped individually, do not have much explosive content and need to be delivered with decent accuracy in order to score kills. This can be a tall order for a supersonic jet aircraft like the Q-5, especially against moving targets, so consider dropping several (or even all of them) at once. Carpet bombing a capture point or lane can lead to decent results. A relatively short fuse can be used due to the bombs' limited blast radius. Manually open the bomb bay door prior to dropping the second pair of bombs for minimal drop delay and better accuracy.
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Using the Sagittario 2 is quite straightforward, it's an aircraft that nearly anyone can pick up and do fairly well in. This is mainly due to its amazing flight performance, which when compared with the majority of aircraft it'll face at the battle rating, make this vehicle quite fun to use. The best way to play the Sagittario 2 is to climb to an average altitude of around 3,500-4,000 metres at a 10° angle to make sure that you have some spare speed, and engage with any somewhat isolated enemy you can encounter. This is highly effective mainly due to the powerful 30 mm HS 825 cannons that the Sagittario has access to. This plane is really good dog-fighter so you are able to perform quite a lot of manoeuvres that many aircraft are not able to pull off. Make sure you consider that during engagements, especially because the aircraft can easily pull G's without too much punishment towards the player controlling it. However, you should be careful to not get caught in a furball or doing sustained turns as your plane bleeds a higher amount of speed during turns than your enemies, However if you have a pack of enemies behind you, and you're flying at a good speed (650 km/h or more), you can pull hard to evade all of them and try to fight back. Keep in mind, if you want to take advantage of its speed and manoeuvrability, you will have to keep the aircraft as light as possible, meaning bringing the minimal amount of fuel. This to some may seem like a disadvantage, but it's likely the most effective way to get eliminations with the vehicle as it allows the aircraft to remain fast and nimble. Do keep in mind that if you decide not to bring a lot of fuel, you won't be in the battle as long, so make sure to make every second count.
  
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After using up the ordnance, which can be done in just one or two passes, the Q-5 can switch into an air superiority role. It can out-accelerate and outmanoeuvre most contemporary fighters and the Ground RB environment makes advantages in top speed or radar-guided missiles less significant.
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Another thing that people may claim is a disadvantage is the low ammo count; although this is somewhat true, doesn't mean the vehicle suffers. The HS 825 cannons are extremely deadly, they have a very high muzzle velocity, which paired up with the hard hitting 30 mm cannons, means that the majority of enemy aircraft you'll face will be destroyed after a small barrage of your main weapon. The Sagittario 2 can also work at low altitude as an AI ground pounder, the main cannons it has access to are just as effective at taking out ground AI targets as they are at taking down air targets. This can be very effective as you can easily take advantage of your speed at the beginning of the match to slip past undetected by enemy aircraft. You could also use this to surprise enemies by flanking them once they've flown past you, unaware that you're actually able to go behind them.
  
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Be wary of enemy SPAA while ground attacking or dogfighting. The Q-5 early lacks a radar warning receiver and anti-aircraft cannons or missiles can open fire suddenly. Do not head-on or stall out in full view of an SPAA, and even when the coast appears to be clear, avoid flying in straight lines.
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The Sagittario 2 does not have access to any countermeasures so keep that in mind if you choose to bring it in ground RB. Its cannons are enough to easily make make short work for the majority of lightly armoured ground vehicles, such as IFVs and SPAAs. Considering it doesn't have any payload options such as rockets or bombs, you'll have to entirely rely on your main cannons, and that also goes for air vehicles, as you don't have access to air-to-air missiles. It is not recommended to land on short runways, it should be avoided or risk crashing at the end. This also applies for Arcade battles. Overall in the Sagittario 2, try at all times to take advantage of your abilities, as its the best way to come on top in duels, and win the match.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
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* High acceleration
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* Extremely agile, able to outturn most if not every aircraft it faces
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* Decent climb rate
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* Good acceleration allowing you to easily achieve a high energy state
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* Decent top speed at sea level
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* Relatively small target
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* Fantastic energy retention
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* 2 x hard hitting 30 mm cannons are excellent at taking down other aircraft
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* Good ammunition stock
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* The HS 825 cannons have a very high muzzle velocity (1,050 m/s) and are very accurate
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* With some luck, the 23 mm cannons can make quick work of enemy aircraft
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* Your stock ammunition easily tears down every aircraft it faces
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* Good sustained manoeuvrability, can out-turn F-4 Phantoms and keep up with MiG-21s
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* Dog fighter's dream, second only to the Ariete premium version of this plane
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* Well-placed cannons in the wing roots
 
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* Limited ammunition capacity, only 120 RPG
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* Average roll rate
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* No payload options
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* Bleeds speed in sustained turns
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* The 23 mm cannons sometimes fall short in damage
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* Relatively high repair cost
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== History ==
 
== History ==
 
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[[File:Nanchang Q-5.jpg|thumb|500x500px|An old Nanchang Q-5.]]
 
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The Nanchang Q-5 'Fantan' is a Chinese land-based fighter-bomber, close support aircraft and nuclear strike aircraft. Developed in the early 1950s as a replacement for the ageing Soviet-made [[IL-10 (1946) (China)|IL-10]] attack aircraft, the plane was developed from the MiG-19 airframe. Though it entered service relatively late due to the effects of the Cultural Revolution, it still saw extensive service as the primary attack aircraft of the Chinese Air Force. As well, it was exported to several countries including Pakistan, Bangladesh and Myanmar. Though it has now been retired from active Chinese service, the aircraft remains in service with the Myanmar Air Force.<ref name=":0">Peck, M. (2019)</ref><ref name=":1">Eastern Order of Battle. (n.d.)</ref>
 
  
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=== Design and development ===
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The story of the Sagittario 2 began roughly around the 1950's, during the cold war. The aircraft would be designed by Sergio Stefanutti, who was one of the most original and innovative Italian aeronautical designers. In fact in 1939 he produced the S.S.4 that was the first fighter in the world to fly with canard lifting surfaces and forward landing gear.
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In the early 1950s, China lacked and needed a new ground attack aircraft. While other nations were re-equipping with advanced attack aircraft such as the [[A-4B|A-4 Skyhawk]] and [[F-100A (China)|F-100]] Super Sabre, the Chinese Air Force still used the obsolete propeller-powered IL-10, a relic of the Second World War. As a result, the Chinese Air Force started studying concepts for a new supersonic jet-powered attack aircraft. However, the state of Chinese aircraft technology was far behind other nations, and as a result, existing designs were studied; these included the Soviet [[Su-7B|Su-7]] and [[MiG-19PT|MiG-19]], which was already in service as the [[J-6A|Shenyang J-6]].<ref name=":1" /> As a result, the final design was based on the MiG-19, and shared many of its characteristics.
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During the Second World War he was involved in the construction of the "Light fighter", fast and well-armed, which was able to compete with those in its class, equal in weight, dimensions and even greater in power, which couldn't be mass-produced because of the unfavorable conclusion of the conflict. His work as a designer also continued into the 1940s and 1950s, when, despite the destruction of the war, the Italian aviation industry was still showing its strength, proposing numerous new types of aircraft for both the internal and international market.
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Eventually, he'd come up with The Aerfer "Sagittario II" (Sagittarius II), the light jet fighter with arrow wings. It was the first Italian supersonic jet fighter, designed and produced at the beginning of the 1950s by Sergio Stefanutti and was a logical development on the light fighters previously built for SAI Ambrosini. The Sagittario 2 was actually a development of previous Stefanutti designs, originally based of a pre-war piston-engine aircraft meant for racing.
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Eventually, after a few shortcomings which included some issues with the jet engine, the Sagittario was born. There were a lot of advancements made during the development of the Sagittario, but sadly whilst conducting tests, it was quickly learned about certain defects of the aircraft, one of them being discovered after landing.
  
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The Q-5 shared the MiG-19's aft section and engines, but had a completely redesigned forward section making it 25% longer.<ref name=":1" /> As a result, the aircraft had a significantly reduced top speed, though it was still capable of flying supersonic. The nose was redesigned and featured the air intakes on the sides, behind the cockpit, while the cockpit canopy was adjusted as well. The armament was changed to two 23-mm cannons in place of the MiG-19's NR-30s.<ref name=":1" />
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To keep it simple, when the aircraft utiliste its breaks to stop. The weight of the engine placed in the bow gave the aircraft a tendency to rotate with the nose low down, making impact with the ground and an ensuing somersault of the aircraft a possible and dangerous outcome.
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At the beginning of 1953, while the prototype of the "Sagittario", obtained by modifying the SAI S.7, was still being subjected to flying tests and was giving its first positive results, the "Sagittario II" was created on the drawing boards of SAI Ambrosini. The main difference between the Sagittario 2 and the previous Sagittario 1 would be the fact that the new aircraft would be built entirely with metal and propelled by a jet engine with a much greater thrust. The Sagittario 2's engine would be a Rolls-Royce Derwent 9, which allowed the Sagittario 2 to reach speeds of over 1000km an hour.
  
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The Q-5's construction was delayed due to the effects of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. Thus, the first Q-5 prototype flew on June 4th, 1965.<ref name=":1" />
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As mentioned previously it was the first Italian supersonic jet Italy would have produced. In September 1953, while the planning continued, the Aeronautica Militare Italiana (Italian Air force), which financed the work on the aircraft making use of the funds made available by the United States, under the aegis of the M.D.A.P. programs of mutual assistance to the NATO countries, decided that its construction, more complex than that of the previous Sagittario I, would be entrusted to the Neapolitan Company Aerfer. Aerfer had been previously known for in the aeronautical field by making some parts for the Republic F-84 G "Thunderjet" jet fighter-bombers. In addition, they offered maintenance for certain US made aircraft stationed in Europe.
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[[File:Sagittario 2 (2) History.png|thumb|Sagittario 2 ]]
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After a lot of discussion, eventually an agreement was would be  made between the SAI Ambrosini and Aerfer for the transfer of the preliminary project and the rights to produce Stefanutti's new light fighter under licence, so that it would be given the new complete name Aerfer-Ambrosini S. "Sagittario II". The Italian air-force would order a total of 2 prototypes, and would make them undergo a series of intense tests. Part of the tests would focus on the armament, speaking of which, the Sagittario 2 was armed with a Hispano-Suiza 825 cannon.
  
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It would hold up to 120 rounds per cannon, they fired bullets that were 113mm long and 30mm in diameter. The bullets had a total weight of 360 grams. The reason the cannons would actually be as powerful as they were was due to the ammunition being 40% larger than the bullets of the same caliber used by the other small Western cannons then in production. As an example, the French DEFA used a 275 gram bullet, and the British Aden used 220 gram bullet.
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The Early Q-5 was first introduced into the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) in the late 1960s. It served as the primary ground attack aircraft of the Air Force for several years, before being superseded by later variants of the aircraft including the [[Q-5A]]. As such, it was used merely as a stopgap measure until the improved Q-5 variants were introduced. None are still in service, though late-variant Q-5s are still in service with the Myanmar Air Force.<ref name=":0" />
 
  
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That paired up with its amazing muzzle velocity would guarantee a very hard-hitting weapon, which rest assured, would be able to completely destroy a lot of aircraft with just a short burst. Overall, the Sagittario 2 would be a very promising vehicle, it didn't get picked up by the Italian air force, but was was learnt from the Sagittario 2 would be later re-used on a later project by Aerfer, called the Aerfer Ariete, a modified Sagittario 2 with a more powerful engine.
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Having started production of the Shenyang J-6 - the Chinese version of the Soviet MiG-19 - in 1958, the PLA issued an order to develop a ground attack version of the aircraft in August of the same year. By 1960, design work on the aircraft had concluded, but political turmoil in the country at the time caused prototype construction and further development to be delayed until the mid 1960's.
 
  
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In June 1965, the prototype of the aircraft that would become known as the Nanchang Q-5,  first took to the skies for its maiden flight. Following further testing, the decision to put the aircraft into production was made in 1969, while first deliveries began being made in 1970.
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In the early 1950's, Italian aircraft designers began work on developing a jet aircraft on the basis of a successful pre-war piston-engine race plane, initially with the goal of constructing a pure technology demonstrator. This aircraft - named Sagittario - took to the skies in January 1953, displaying promising performance.
  
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The Q-5 officially entered service with the Chinese Air Force in 1970. Around 100 aircraft of the early versions were built out of a total of around 1,300 aircraft of all variants. However, later models continued service with Chinese forces well into the 2000's. Apart from the PLA, the Q-5 also saw service with Bangladesh, Pakistan, Myanmar, North Korea and Sudan.
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Convinced of the aircraft's potential, the aircraft designers continued work and developed the design further into the Sagittario 2. The new aircraft featured an improved design, a significantly more powerful jet engine and comparably heavy armament for an aircraft of its time. Two prototypes of the Sagittario 2 were built and test flown in 1956.
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Sagittario 2

Description

The Sagittario 2 is a rank Italian jet fighter with a battle rating of (AB), (RB), and (SB). It was introduced in Update "Red Skies". The Aerfer Sagittario 2 is one of the more nimble and dog-fight friendly jets that Italy has access to inside its tech tree. It has great handling and 2 fast firing cannons which destroy pretty much any aircraft that is unlucky enough to get hit by it. Sadly it does not have a lot of fuel for it to be able to stay in the air for too long, so players may not want to over extend when playing the aircraft. Aerfer Sagittario 2 is a prototype aircraft which was competing with other NATO designed aircraft during the cold war, with its aim to become the next standard NATO jet. Although the Fiat G.91 was the winner, Aerfer would go unto develop the Aerfer Ariete, which was based on the Sagittario but with an extra engine.

General info

Flight performance

The Sagittario 2 has great manoeuvrability, at its battle rating and even above it, there won't be many aircraft that can match your speed, rate of climb, or first turn response time. Whilst playing the Sagittario 2, you are able to do amazing manoeuvres that the enemy team could only dream of doing. Due to this, an experienced player in this aircraft can become quite a dangerous opponent. The max altitude of the Sagittario 2 is 11,000 metres, thanks to its rate of climb, you should be able to reach a good altitude at the beginning of the match with minimal effort required. One other great thing is how easily you can pull Gs with it, use it to your advantage and you should rack up quite a few eliminations.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 0 m - sea level) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 1,005 978 25.0 25.6 36.6 34.7 1,000
Upgraded 1,085 1,050 23.5 24.0 54.5 45.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear Drogue chute
✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
1,125 498 469 320 ~12 ~4
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 600 < 550 < 610 N/A

Engine performance

Engine Aircraft mass
Engine name Number Basic mass Wing loading (full fuel)
Rolls-Royce Derwent 9 1 2,405 kg 227 kg/m2
Engine characteristics Mass with fuel (no weapons load) Max Takeoff
Weight
Weight (each) Type 10m fuel 20m fuel 30m fuel 34m fuel
580 kg Centrifugal-flow turbojet 2,686 kg 2,946 kg 3,216 kg 3,341 kg 5,641 kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB) Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
Condition 100% WEP 10m fuel 20m fuel 30m fuel 34m fuel MTOW
Stationary 1,536 kgf N/A 0.57 0.52 0.48 0.46 0.27
Optimal 1,536 kgf
(0 km/h) 		N/A 0.57 0.52 0.48 0.46 0.27

Survivability and armour

  • 40 mm bulletproof glass - Windscreen
  • 6.5 mm steel - Behind pilot's seat

Modifications and economy

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: Hispano HS 825 (30 mm)

The Sagittario 2 is armed with:

  • 2 x 30 mm Hispano HS 825 cannons, nose-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)

Usage in battles

Using the Sagittario 2 is quite straightforward, it's an aircraft that nearly anyone can pick up and do fairly well in. This is mainly due to its amazing flight performance, which when compared with the majority of aircraft it'll face at the battle rating, make this vehicle quite fun to use. The best way to play the Sagittario 2 is to climb to an average altitude of around 3,500-4,000 metres at a 10° angle to make sure that you have some spare speed, and engage with any somewhat isolated enemy you can encounter. This is highly effective mainly due to the powerful 30 mm HS 825 cannons that the Sagittario has access to. This plane is really good dog-fighter so you are able to perform quite a lot of manoeuvres that many aircraft are not able to pull off. Make sure you consider that during engagements, especially because the aircraft can easily pull G's without too much punishment towards the player controlling it. However, you should be careful to not get caught in a furball or doing sustained turns as your plane bleeds a higher amount of speed during turns than your enemies, However if you have a pack of enemies behind you, and you're flying at a good speed (650 km/h or more), you can pull hard to evade all of them and try to fight back. Keep in mind, if you want to take advantage of its speed and manoeuvrability, you will have to keep the aircraft as light as possible, meaning bringing the minimal amount of fuel. This to some may seem like a disadvantage, but it's likely the most effective way to get eliminations with the vehicle as it allows the aircraft to remain fast and nimble. Do keep in mind that if you decide not to bring a lot of fuel, you won't be in the battle as long, so make sure to make every second count.

Another thing that people may claim is a disadvantage is the low ammo count; although this is somewhat true, doesn't mean the vehicle suffers. The HS 825 cannons are extremely deadly, they have a very high muzzle velocity, which paired up with the hard hitting 30 mm cannons, means that the majority of enemy aircraft you'll face will be destroyed after a small barrage of your main weapon. The Sagittario 2 can also work at low altitude as an AI ground pounder, the main cannons it has access to are just as effective at taking out ground AI targets as they are at taking down air targets. This can be very effective as you can easily take advantage of your speed at the beginning of the match to slip past undetected by enemy aircraft. You could also use this to surprise enemies by flanking them once they've flown past you, unaware that you're actually able to go behind them.

The Sagittario 2 does not have access to any countermeasures so keep that in mind if you choose to bring it in ground RB. Its cannons are enough to easily make make short work for the majority of lightly armoured ground vehicles, such as IFVs and SPAAs. Considering it doesn't have any payload options such as rockets or bombs, you'll have to entirely rely on your main cannons, and that also goes for air vehicles, as you don't have access to air-to-air missiles. It is not recommended to land on short runways, it should be avoided or risk crashing at the end. This also applies for Arcade battles. Overall in the Sagittario 2, try at all times to take advantage of your abilities, as its the best way to come on top in duels, and win the match.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Extremely agile, able to outturn most if not every aircraft it faces
  • Good acceleration allowing you to easily achieve a high energy state
  • Relatively small target
  • 2 x hard hitting 30 mm cannons are excellent at taking down other aircraft
  • The HS 825 cannons have a very high muzzle velocity (1,050 m/s) and are very accurate
  • Your stock ammunition easily tears down every aircraft it faces
  • Dog fighter's dream, second only to the Ariete premium version of this plane

Cons:

  • Limited ammunition capacity, only 120 RPG
  • No payload options
  • The only available belt is 100% tracers, no armour-piercing ammo
  • Bleeds speed in sustained turns
  • Relatively slow speed compared to other jets it can face.
  • In uptiers, the plane can face supersonics and other jets that outspeed it.
  • Relatively high repair cost

History

The story of the Sagittario 2 began roughly around the 1950's, during the cold war. The aircraft would be designed by Sergio Stefanutti, who was one of the most original and innovative Italian aeronautical designers. In fact in 1939 he produced the S.S.4 that was the first fighter in the world to fly with canard lifting surfaces and forward landing gear.

During the Second World War he was involved in the construction of the "Light fighter", fast and well-armed, which was able to compete with those in its class, equal in weight, dimensions and even greater in power, which couldn't be mass-produced because of the unfavorable conclusion of the conflict. His work as a designer also continued into the 1940s and 1950s, when, despite the destruction of the war, the Italian aviation industry was still showing its strength, proposing numerous new types of aircraft for both the internal and international market.

Eventually, he'd come up with The Aerfer "Sagittario II" (Sagittarius II), the light jet fighter with arrow wings. It was the first Italian supersonic jet fighter, designed and produced at the beginning of the 1950s by Sergio Stefanutti and was a logical development on the light fighters previously built for SAI Ambrosini. The Sagittario 2 was actually a development of previous Stefanutti designs, originally based of a pre-war piston-engine aircraft meant for racing.

Eventually, after a few shortcomings which included some issues with the jet engine, the Sagittario was born. There were a lot of advancements made during the development of the Sagittario, but sadly whilst conducting tests, it was quickly learned about certain defects of the aircraft, one of them being discovered after landing.

To keep it simple, when the aircraft utiliste its breaks to stop. The weight of the engine placed in the bow gave the aircraft a tendency to rotate with the nose low down, making impact with the ground and an ensuing somersault of the aircraft a possible and dangerous outcome.

Sagittario 2 during tests on airfield

At the beginning of 1953, while the prototype of the "Sagittario", obtained by modifying the SAI S.7, was still being subjected to flying tests and was giving its first positive results, the "Sagittario II" was created on the drawing boards of SAI Ambrosini. The main difference between the Sagittario 2 and the previous Sagittario 1 would be the fact that the new aircraft would be built entirely with metal and propelled by a jet engine with a much greater thrust. The Sagittario 2's engine would be a Rolls-Royce Derwent 9, which allowed the Sagittario 2 to reach speeds of over 1000km an hour.

As mentioned previously it was the first Italian supersonic jet Italy would have produced. In September 1953, while the planning continued, the Aeronautica Militare Italiana (Italian Air force), which financed the work on the aircraft making use of the funds made available by the United States, under the aegis of the M.D.A.P. programs of mutual assistance to the NATO countries, decided that its construction, more complex than that of the previous Sagittario I, would be entrusted to the Neapolitan Company Aerfer. Aerfer had been previously known for in the aeronautical field by making some parts for the Republic F-84 G "Thunderjet" jet fighter-bombers. In addition, they offered maintenance for certain US made aircraft stationed in Europe.

Sagittario 2

After a lot of discussion, eventually an agreement was would be made between the SAI Ambrosini and Aerfer for the transfer of the preliminary project and the rights to produce Stefanutti's new light fighter under licence, so that it would be given the new complete name Aerfer-Ambrosini S. "Sagittario II". The Italian air-force would order a total of 2 prototypes, and would make them undergo a series of intense tests. Part of the tests would focus on the armament, speaking of which, the Sagittario 2 was armed with a Hispano-Suiza 825 cannon.

It would hold up to 120 rounds per cannon, they fired bullets that were 113mm long and 30mm in diameter. The bullets had a total weight of 360 grams. The reason the cannons would actually be as powerful as they were was due to the ammunition being 40% larger than the bullets of the same caliber used by the other small Western cannons then in production. As an example, the French DEFA used a 275 gram bullet, and the British Aden used 220 gram bullet.

That paired up with its amazing muzzle velocity would guarantee a very hard-hitting weapon, which rest assured, would be able to completely destroy a lot of aircraft with just a short burst. Overall, the Sagittario 2 would be a very promising vehicle, it didn't get picked up by the Italian air force, but was was learnt from the Sagittario 2 would be later re-used on a later project by Aerfer, called the Aerfer Ariete, a modified Sagittario 2 with a more powerful engine.

Devblog

In the early 1950's, Italian aircraft designers began work on developing a jet aircraft on the basis of a successful pre-war piston-engine race plane, initially with the goal of constructing a pure technology demonstrator. This aircraft - named Sagittario - took to the skies in January 1953, displaying promising performance.

Convinced of the aircraft's potential, the aircraft designers continued work and developed the design further into the Sagittario 2. The new aircraft featured an improved design, a significantly more powerful jet engine and comparably heavy armament for an aircraft of its time. Two prototypes of the Sagittario 2 were built and test flown in 1956.

However, despite its state-of-the-art design and excellent performance, the Sagittario 2 faced many problems during development as its manufacturer - Aerfer - struggled to allocate enough resources into its development. As a result, the aircraft had a drawn out development period which meant that newer aircraft were entering service while the Sagittario 2 was still being tested. Because of this, the Sagittario 2 would fail to enter production as the procurement of the more promising Fiat G.91 was right around the corner.

While not getting past prototype stage, the Sagittario 2 would serve as a basis for the subsequent development of another jet fighter prototype.

Media

Skins
Videos
The Shooting Range #299 - Pages of History section at 03:43 discusses the Sagittario 2.
The Shooting Range #294 - Metal Beasts section at 00:29 discusses the Sagittario 2.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


Aerfer (Costruzioni Aeronautiche e Ferroviarie)
Jet fighters  Sagittario 2 · Ariete

Italy jet aircraft
Aerfer  Sagittario 2 · Ariete
Fiat  G.91 pre-serie · G.91 R/1 · G.91 R/4 (Portugal) · G.91 Y · G.91 YS
AMX International  AMX · AMX A-1A (Brazil)
Panavia  Tornado ADV · ▄Tornado IDS · ▄Tornado IDS (1995)
  Foreign:
Vampire  Vampire FB 52A
F-84  ▄F-84F · ▄F-84G-21-RE
F-86  CL-13 Mk.4 · ▄F-86K
F-104  ▄F-104G · F-104S · ▄F-104S TAF (Turkey) · F-104S.ASA
F-16  ▄F-16A ADF
AV-8  ▄AV-8B Plus
Hungary 
Mikoyan-Gurevich  ◔MiG-15bis · ◔MiG-17PF · ◔MiG-21MF · ◔MiG-21bis-SAU · ◔MiG-23MF · ◔MiG-29
Ilyushin  ◔IL-28
Sukhoi  ◔Su-22M3
Saab  ◔JAS39EBS HU C

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