ZiS-30 - Revision history

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I just gave some Information From experiences in the game with the ZiS-30 and what i think might work best

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U44308613: I edited sentence:The ZiS-30 is the second Soviet tank destroyer on the Soviet tech tree.To:The ZiS-30 is the fourth Soviet tank destroyer on the Soviet tech tree. And:Further research of the ZiS-30 will lead to the SU-122To Further research of the Su-57B

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I edited sentence:The ZiS-30 is the second Soviet tank destroyer on the Soviet tech tree.To:The ZiS-30 is the fourth Soviet tank destroyer on the Soviet tech tree. And:Further research of the ZiS-30 will lead to the SU-122To Further research of the Su-57B

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 ==== Ammunition ====
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+{{:ZIS-2 (57 mm)/Ammunition|BR-271, BR-271K, O-271}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|2ZbYgBHTNIY|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''|sEiAPXMwIOk|'''{{PAGENAME}} Big Gun Tiny Tractor'''  - ''ShareTheLight''|Wkm8QGFOcYE|'''How to deal with hull wobbling?'''  - ''HowToPlay1337''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|sEiAPXMwIOk|'''ZiS-30 Big Gun Tiny Tractor''' - ''ShareTheLight''|Wkm8QGFOcYE|'''How to deal with hull wobbling?''' - ''HowToPlay1337''}}
 == See also ==

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 The vehicle featured a gun that was capable of destroying any German tank of the period at combat range. This was a very welcome trait and proved invaluable to the Soviet defences against the German Panzers. However, there were significant disadvantages to its makeshift design. The weight of the gun reduced the mobility of the vehicle and the size of the vehicle allowed only a very small ammunition supply of 20 rounds to be carried. Protection of the crew was nonexistent, as the vehicle had only a very thin amount of armour and the gun crew was protected only frontally by the gun shield. The vehicle was unstable due to its high profile, had a low operational range and the communication between the driver and the gun crew was very problematic. Only 101 ZiS-30's were manufactured due to problems with the availability of both the gun and the chassis, both being urgently needed elsewhere. The ZiS-30 served until Summer 1942, being replaced by more specialised vehicles such as the [[SU-76M]] once the urgency for such vehicles disappeared.
-=== In-game description ===
+{{break}}
 During the first battles of the Great Patriotic War, it became clear that a new tank destroyer had to be developed, capable of quickly relocating and fighting German tank units, whose mobility significantly exceeded that of the Red Army's tank units.
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 Practically all these SPGs were lost by the summer of 1942, either in battle or due to mechanical failures.
 == Media ==

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 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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-| BR-271 || APHEBC || 145 || 143 || 132 || 119 || 108 || 98
+| BR-271 || APHEBC || 145 || 142 || 128 || 112 || 98 || 86
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-| BR-271K || APHE || 145 || 143 || 132 || 119 || 108 || 98
+| BR-271K || APHE || 145 || 140 || 118 || 95 || 77 || 63
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 | O-271 || HE || 5 || 5 || 5 || 5 || 5 || 5
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 | BR-271K || APHE || 990 || 3.14 || 1.2 || 9 || 27.72 || 47° || 60° || 65°
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-| O-271 || HE || 700 || 3.72 || 0 || 0.1 || 220 || 79° || 80° || 81°
+| O-271 || HE || 700 || 3.72 || N/A || 0.1 || 220 || 79° || 80° || 81°
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-As mentioned above, the ZiS-30 is ideal for ambush and sniping attacks, especially due to the fairly flat trajectory of the rounds. Carry a full load of ammo (it's only 20 rounds), especially the standard-issue APHE shell, which is capable of penetrating the armour of just about every reasonable enemy for your battle rating. Shoot'n'scoot tactics are advised and use the surprising agility of the vehicle to get into unexpected locations. Another Thing, This Tank Destroyer is Really fun to play especially in RB where you must go to the point with the most cover examples are bushes, trees, etc. normally this will be around the A or C point. turn off your engine if you want to cause less noise then a idling engine. place a wall to your back and sides so your gun crew have less chance of getting machinegun'd and wait for enemies. It is Suggested that you go to the enemies side and face backwards from their spawn on either the A or C points. watch all the enemies drive past you. wait till your satisfied with the amount of targets then start firing. most enemies will be facing away from you until they figure out where they are getting hit from so go for the turret crew first if you know you can't kill the enemy in one well aimed shot. Aim for Ammo Racks on enemies that you find difficult to one-shot or go for the hull crew.
+As mentioned above, the ZiS-30 is ideal for ambush and sniping attacks, especially due to the fairly flat trajectory of the rounds. Bring a full load of ammo (it carries only 20 rounds), especially the standard-issue APHE shell, which is capable of penetrating the armour of just about every reasonable enemy for your battle rating. Shoot'n'scoot tactics are advised and use the surprising agility of the vehicle to get into unexpected locations. When setting up an ambush in RB, you can turn off your engine to be even less detectable once you've found a spot where to wait for the enemy. Once the enemy drives into your crosshair, your short reload time will guarantee that you can fire a follow-up shot in case you missed the first shot or did not knock out the enemy in one hit and left you exposed to machine gun fire.
-While this tank can be used in AB to some effect (due to its excellent gun and good handling), you lose your main advantage, surprise! The ZiS-30 is easy to conceal due to its small size, especially if you have camouflage vegetation to add to the vehicle. This means that it is particularly effective in RB and SB. At the start of the match, rush to a good location overlooking enemy movement routes or a capture point and snipe away, making sure that you change your position every few shots to prevent enemies from tracking you down. In RB, planes become a big threat as the game goes on. Even light machine guns are a threat, and at BR 2.3 planes start getting heavier cannons and various payloads, which will tear you apart, while the ZiS-30 rarely has any anti-aircraft armaments. Therefore, it is best to remain hidden in dense vegetation or among rocks or buildings to keep you safe. However at the initial part of a game the player is usually safe, as the enemy is unlikely to have enough SP to spawn with an aircraft.
+While this tank can be used in AB to some effect (due to its excellent gun and good handling), you lose your main advantage: surprise. The ZiS-30 is easy to conceal due to its small size, especially if you have camouflage vegetation to add to the vehicle. This means that it is particularly effective in RB and SB. At the start of the match, rush to a good location overlooking enemy movement routes or a capture point and snipe away, making sure that you change your position every few shots to prevent enemies from tracking you down. In RB, planes become a big threat as the game goes on. Even light machine guns are a threat, and planes at this BR start getting heavier cannons and various payloads, which will tear you apart, while the ZiS-30 barely has any anti-aircraft armament. Therefore, it is best to remain hidden in dense vegetation or among rocks or buildings to keep you safe. However, in the initial part of a game the player is usually safe, as the enemy is unlikely to have enough SP to spawn with an aircraft.
 In SB the ZiS-30 is very good at protecting capture points from enemy vehicles. Simply find a good hiding spot and wait for your enemy to go to capture the point, then take them out one by one.
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 '''Enemies worth noting:'''
-[[M4A3 (105)]]: this low-rank Sherman is one tough tank to destroy, but luckily your ZiS-30 is one of the few that can destroy it with ease (most of the time). Within 500 m, your default shell can easily penetrate its frontal/side armour with an appropriate angle. You can also penetrate its frontal turret between the edge of the gun mantlet and the gun barrel. A penetrating shell is very likely to knock out most of its crew. However, when it's angling, hull down, or >500 m away, either aim really carefully at the turret or wait until it reveals other weak spots (sides). Note that you will be knocked out easily by its HEAT round so avoid getting hit by it. if it his the ground anywhere near you pray to the lord that they do not have HE Loaded. HEAT can still kill you if it lands very close range.
+[[M4A3 (105)]]: this low-rank Sherman is one tough tank to destroy, but luckily your ZiS-30 is one of the few vehicles that can destroy it with ease (most of the time). Within 500 m, your default shell can easily penetrate its frontal/side armour with an appropriate angle. You can also penetrate its frontal turret between the edge of the gun mantlet and the gun barrel. A penetrating shell is very likely to knock out most of its crew. However, when it's angling, hull down, or >500 m away, either aim really carefully at the turret or wait until it reveals other weak spots (sides). Note that you will be knocked out easily by its HEAT round so avoid getting hit by it. If the HEAT round detonates near your vehicle, it still has enough explosive filler to knock out your crew at very close range.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Excellent gun with good penetration, Same to the Rank 3 tank [[T-34-57]]
+* Excellent gun with good penetration, with the same performance as the [[T-34-57]] at rank III
 * Gun has good post-penetration damage
 * The shells have very high velocity, making the gun easier to aim than normal

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during the Closed Beta Test for Ground Forces before Update 1.41. It is a lightly armoured tank destroyer mounting a gun that is very powerful for its rank.
-The ZiS-30 is the fourth Soviet tank destroyer on the Soviet tech tree. The highlight of this tank destroyer is its ridiculously powerful gun for its rank, which is capable of destroying most tanks of a similar rank in one shot. The ZiS-30 serves mainly in a support role, firing from the rear of the line at spotted targets. Despite this, the ZiS-30 can feasibly serve as a lone sniper or a hit-and-run vehicle, due to its powerful gun and impressive speed. Although the ZiS-30 is a powerhouse in terms of speed and firepower, it is quite fragile and can easily be taken out by enemy tanks. Due to the near nonexistent armour of the ZiS-30, the crew is extremely prone to damage and it takes very few shots to knock them out. A proven tactic is to fire at preoccupied enemies so that they cannot react fast enough to fire back. Often it helps to set up an ambush position on a ridge and wait for the enemy to enter your line of fire. After taking several shots (2-4), it is advised that a new position be found, as other enemies may have noticed you by that time.
+The highlight of this tank destroyer is its ridiculously powerful gun for its rank, which is capable of destroying most tanks of a similar rank in one shot. The ZiS-30 serves mainly in a support role, firing from the rear of the line at spotted targets. Despite this, the ZiS-30 can feasibly serve as a lone sniper or a hit-and-run vehicle, due to its powerful gun and impressive speed. Although the ZiS-30 is a powerhouse in terms of speed and firepower, it is quite fragile and can easily be taken out by enemy tanks. Due to the near nonexistent armour of the ZiS-30, the crew is extremely prone to damage and it takes very few shots to knock them out. A proven tactic is to fire at preoccupied enemies so that they cannot react fast enough to fire back. Often it helps to set up an ambush position on a ridge and wait for the enemy to enter your line of fire. After taking several shots (2-4), it is advised that a new position be found, as other enemies may have noticed you by that time.
-The ZiS-30 possesses three main advantages – small dimensions, great speed and manoeuvrability, and a fantastic gun for its rank. With its good top speed and acceleration, it can move very quickly across the map. It is also comparatively a very small vehicle, so it can be a very hard target to hit especially at long range. Its gun has virtually no problems when penetrating anything on the given BR spread (eg. 2.3-3.3) and features a (relatively) fast rate of fire and flat trajectory, making the vehicle a suitable long-range sniper. As the gun is mounted onto the roof, the vehicle has a reasonably tall profile. This is both an advantage and disadvantage – it compromises your cover which allows you to be spotted easier, but at the same time, you can shoot over lower obstacles while exposing only the gun shield.
+The ZiS-30 possesses three main advantages – small dimensions, great speed and manoeuvrability, and a fantastic gun for its rank. With its good top speed and acceleration, it can move very quickly across the map. It is also comparatively a very small vehicle, so it can be a very hard target to hit especially at long range. Its gun has virtually no problems when penetrating anything on the given BR spread and features a (relatively) fast rate of fire and flat trajectory, making the vehicle a suitable long-range sniper. As the gun is mounted onto the roof, the vehicle has a reasonably tall profile. This is both an advantage and disadvantage – it compromises your cover which allows you to be spotted easier, but at the same time, you can shoot over lower obstacles while exposing only the gun shield.
 Obviously, there are disadvantages as well. The gun's recoil is rather strong for the small chassis and the sway is large enough to cause you to lose track of your target, hence requiring realignment every time you take the shot. The vehicle also carries a very small ammunition supply. Most importantly, however, the vehicle's armour is practically nonexistent and even armour piercing rounds from rifle calibre machine guns can pierce your frontal armour at close range. The crew of the gun are protected only by the gun shield. Otherwise, it's exposed and thus very vulnerable. However, many armour piercing rounds will just pass through the gun shield without detonating, significantly reducing the damage. That being said, it is advised to use HE rounds when facing the ZiS-30.
-Given its advantages and disadvantages, the ZiS-30's performs best when used as a highly mobile, long-range sniper. Race to a position using your speed and then conceal your fragile hull and then wait for the enemy to stumble in your sights. Use your high rate of fire to take several well-aimed shots, then quickly relocate. Further research of the ZiS-30 will lead to the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/SU-57B SU-57B].
+Given its advantages and disadvantages, the ZiS-30's performs best when used as a highly mobile, long-range sniper. Race to a position using your speed and then conceal your fragile hull and then wait for the enemy to stumble in your sights. Use your high rate of fire to take several well-aimed shots, then quickly relocate.
 == General info ==
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 {{main|ZIS-2 (57 mm)}}
 [[File:ZiS-30 horizontal gun and MG displacement.png|right|thumbnail|Gun and MG horizontal displacement on the ZiS-30|200px]]
-The ZiS-2 57mm gun offers among the highest penetration power at its BR. Its high muzzle velocity allows for a flat firing trajectory and thus makes it easier to aim from a distance and anticipate the path of moving targets. Its accuracy drop is noticeable only over 1500m distance.The ZiS-2 57mm gun can sometimes penetrate the Tiger H1 side armour from long range.
+The 57 mm ZiS-2 gun offers among the highest penetration power at its BR. Its high muzzle velocity allows for a flat firing trajectory and thus makes it easier to aim from a distance and anticipate the path of moving targets. Its accuracy drop is noticeable only over 1,500 m distance.The ZiS-2 gun can sometimes penetrate the Tiger H1 side armour from long range.
 The rotation speed of the gun is slow compared to other tanks at the same rank or battle rating. This however does not end up being a huge handicap because the playstyle for this vehicle is to snipe from a distance.
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 '''Enemies worth noting:'''
-[[M4A3 (105)]]: this low-rank Sherman is one tough tank to destroy, but luckily your ZiS-30 is one of the few that can destroy it with ease (most of the time). Within 500 m, your default shell can easily penetrate its frontal/side armour with an appropriate angle. You can also penetrate its frontal turret between the edge of the gun mantlet and the gun barrel. A penetrating shell is very likely to knock out most of its crew. However, when it's angling, hull down, or >500 m away, either aim really carefully at the turret or wait until it reveals other weak spots (eg. side). Note that you will be knocked out easily by its HEAT round so avoid getting hit by it.
+[[M4A3 (105)]]: this low-rank Sherman is one tough tank to destroy, but luckily your ZiS-30 is one of the few that can destroy it with ease (most of the time). Within 500 m, your default shell can easily penetrate its frontal/side armour with an appropriate angle. You can also penetrate its frontal turret between the edge of the gun mantlet and the gun barrel. A penetrating shell is very likely to knock out most of its crew. However, when it's angling, hull down, or >500 m away, either aim really carefully at the turret or wait until it reveals other weak spots (sides). Note that you will be knocked out easily by its HEAT round so avoid getting hit by it.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 The SPG's production began on 21 September 1941. By the 15th of October, the factory had produced 101 ZiS-30 vehicles in total, which took part in conflicts at the culmination of the Battle of Moscow. In September-October 1941, all these vehicles went towards reinforcing anti-tank gun batteries (6 vehicles per battery) in tank brigade motorised infantry battalions.
-The artillery system allowed it to fire at a rate of up to 25 shots per minute, while its targeted firing rate amounted to 15 shots per minute. It was fired only from a stationary position. The tank destroyer was stabilised when firing using folding bipods located in the rear of the vehicle's hull. A 7.62 mm DT machine gun was mounted on the tank for self-defence, installed in a rotating joint on the right in the hull's frontal plate. The SPG's crew consisted of 4 people.
+The artillery system allowed it to fire at a rate of up to 25 shots per minute, while its targeted rate of fire amounted to 15 shots per minute. It was fired only from a stationary position. The tank destroyer was stabilised when firing using folding bipods located in the rear of the vehicle's hull. A 7.62 mm DT machine gun was mounted on the tank for self-defence, installed in a rotating joint on the right in the hull's frontal plate. The SPG's crew consisted of 4 people.
-Artillerymen liked these self-propelled guns because of their mobility, improved defences in comparison with the towed version, and the increased effectivity of the ZiS-2 cannon, which at times ripped straight through German tanks of that period. The ZiS-30's disadvantages included its low movement range and onboard ammunition capacity, the gun mount's large dimensions, the lack of communication between the driver and crew, the vehicle's instability, its overloaded chassis and its weak armour.
+Artillerymen liked these self-propelled guns because of their mobility, improved defences in comparison with the towed version, and the increased effectiveness of the ZiS-2 cannon, which at times ripped straight through German tanks of that period. The ZiS-30's disadvantages included its low movement range and onboard ammunition capacity, the gun mount's large dimensions, the lack of communication between the driver and crew, the vehicle's instability, its overloaded chassis and its weak armour.
 Practically all these SPGs were lost by the summer of 1942, either in battle or due to mechanical failures.
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 * ''other literature.'' -->
-* [[wt:en/news/3356/current|[Vehicle Profile] ZiS-30]]
+* [[wt:en/news/3356--en|[Vehicle Profile] ZiS-30]]
 * [[wikipedia:ZiS-30|[Wikipedia] ZiS-30]]
 * [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_ZIS-30.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> ZiS-30 tank hunter]

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 * Excellent gun with good penetration, comparable to the Rank 3 tank [[T-34-57]]
-* Has no issue penetrating anything at its rank
+* Gun has good post-penetration damage
-* Gun does good damage when it hits targets
+* The shells have very high velocity, making the gun easier to aim than normal
 * Sufficient agility and top speed
-* Easy to conceal in vegetation (realistic & simulator battles)
+* Has a small profile, easy to conceal in vegetation (realistic & simulator battles)
 * Has a defensive machine gun for use against light SPAA or to remove visual clutter
 * Good horizontal traverse for the main gun
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 * Rocks violently upon vehicle stopping, use of cruise control and firing on move without stabiliser is a necessary skill
 * Low ammo capacity - only carries a total of 20 shells
-* Planes do not need much effort to knock out the tank
+* Low gunsight zoom of 3.5x makes ranged combat challenging.
 * Poor gun depression, 4 degrees makes hilly combat difficult

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 '''Enemies worth noting:'''
-[[M4A3 (105)]]: this low-rank Sherman is one tough tank to destroy, but luckily your ZiS-30 is one of the few that can destroy it with ease (most of the time). Within 500 m, your default shell can easily penetrate its frontal/side armour with an appropriate angle. You can also penetrate its turret between the edge of the gun mantlet and the gun barrel. A penetrating shell is very likely to knock out most of its crew. However, when it's angling, hull down, or >500 m away, either aim really carefully at the turret or wait until it reveals other weak spots (eg. side). Note that you will be knocked out easily by its HEAT round so avoid getting hit by it.
+[[M4A3 (105)]]: this low-rank Sherman is one tough tank to destroy, but luckily your ZiS-30 is one of the few that can destroy it with ease (most of the time). Within 500 m, your default shell can easily penetrate its frontal/side armour with an appropriate angle. You can also penetrate its frontal turret between the edge of the gun mantlet and the gun barrel. A penetrating shell is very likely to knock out most of its crew. However, when it's angling, hull down, or >500 m away, either aim really carefully at the turret or wait until it reveals other weak spots (eg. side). Note that you will be knocked out easily by its HEAT round so avoid getting hit by it.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ussr_zis_30 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Soviet vehicles equipped with a 57 mm
 * [[ASU-57]]
 * [[SU-57B]]
 ;Vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[Marder III]]
 * [[Marder III H]]