ZT3A2 - Revision history

U42773747: The missile behaviour keeps randomly changing without any notice.

2024-11-20T20:48:11Z

The missile behaviour keeps randomly changing without any notice.

U44629479: Edits

2024-04-07T15:48:18Z

Edits

U41531792: /* Main armament */

2024-04-07T09:28:22Z

‎Main armament

U38088265: Undo revision 174714 by U82924470 (talk). Vehicle battle ratings will be updated soon

2023-10-19T18:59:21Z

Undo revision 174714 by U82924470 (talk). Vehicle battle ratings will be updated soon

U82924470: I dont know how to change the actual stats, but this vehicle is 8.3, not 8.7. Please change and revert my edit.

2023-10-19T17:30:27Z

I dont know how to change the actual stats, but this vehicle is 8.3, not 8.7. Please change and revert my edit.

U38088265 at 08:11, 30 July 2023

2023-07-30T08:11:48Z

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U56862421: /* Pros and cons */

2023-07-29T17:55:26Z

‎Pros and cons

U42773747: drunk missiles update

2023-07-20T07:33:34Z

drunk missiles update

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-22T20:10:28Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U42773747: the early soviet APS seems to be hardcountered by ZT3 now, 2 shots seems to be always enough in face-to-face combat. Maybe its because the explosion just kills APS itself, idk.

2022-08-01T15:28:29Z

the early soviet APS seems to be hardcountered by ZT3 now, 2 shots seems to be always enough in face-to-face combat. Maybe its because the explosion just kills APS itself, idk.

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 Frontal hull armour might sustain some MG fire from 500 m away, but it has way too many weak spots with 10 mm or even 8 mm RHA protection to be of any use. Unfortunately, the commander of the {{PAGENAME}} cannot take control of the weapon to fire, meaning that literally anything and anyone can disarm the {{PAGENAME}} with a well-placed shot.
-Both commander and gunner are located in the turret, which must be exposed to fire in most cases, which makes this tank very easy to disable if not destroy outright. Sometimes, one of them will survive if the tank took a glancing hit of APFSDS, and ammunition is being stored along the sides of the carrier, so with some luck such shells will pass through the entire vehicle without doing any more damage.
+Both commander and gunner are located in the turret, which must be exposed to fire in most cases, which makes this tank very easy to disable if not destroy outright (if the loader or driver are also hit). Sometimes, one of them will survive if the tank took a glancing hit of APFSDS, and ammunition is being stored along the sides of the carrier, so with some luck such shells will pass through the entire vehicle without doing any more damage.
 One might argue that the {{PAGENAME}}'s long hull might confuse enemies, but overpressure damage and missile ammo racks placed along the entirety of it make the spaced armour argument irrelevant in most scenarios. Any ATGM landing next to it will instantly destroy it, particularly the ones with 4 kg explosive mass. Missiles with wide splash radius can do fatal damage even by hitting the top of the tree 20 m away from {{PAGENAME}}.
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 {{main|ZT3}}
-There are two main missiles on the {{PAGENAME}}, the ZT3A1 and ZT3A2. Both missiles are laser-guided, which makes them immune to jamming by IRCM and allows the carrier to guide them all at once. Both missiles have reasonably strong vertical drive and rather sluggish horizontal drive, allowing the operator to quickly shift them up or down, as long as they do not try to change their flight direction, in which case the missiles will start to lose control and wiggle, only stabilizing after at least 400 m. These missiles also can cause overpressure damage through more RHA than would be expected from a normal HEAT warhead, meaning they can destroy many medium tanks by hitting their turret's rooftop.
+There are two main missiles on the {{PAGENAME}}, the ZT3A1 and ZT3A2. Both missiles are laser-guided, which makes them immune to jamming by IRCM and also allows the carrier to guide them all at once (if the first and the last ones are launched within the 3 seconds window).
-The missiles are loaded in magazines of 3 missiles with 5 magazines or 15 missiles total. They aren't reloaded if the launcher is damaged. Each shot forces a 0.6s reload. Missiles fire off in order from the right to the left. Missiles struggle to take off and initially take a vertical stance, sometimes even obscuring the gunner's vision, so attempts to launch them downward while having the launcher peek over an object is likely to make them explode on launch.
+The missiles are launched slighly above designated point, not directly at the sniper crosshairs, which can affect point-blank aim. Missiles won't respond to commands until ~110 m mark and it is only possible to turn the missiles horizontally for about 1.5 compass degrees ("16" horizontal mark on the scope) if the target is ~200 m away .
 In AB/RB the guiding "camera" is located in the launcher, which means that it can fire and guide straight after exposing the launcher. In SB, missiles are guided by the gunner's optics under the launcher, which means that the hull must also be exposed.
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 * [[XM-1 (GM)]]: this tank has NERA screen in the turret, and is as fast as a light tank. Try to hit it in the hull or at least angle the missile down before it lands on the turret, if you use the default missile. Tandem missiles should be able to penetrate it regardless. Avoid engaging it directly, as it has way too many machine guns.
-* [[IT-1]]: This tank is more dangerous than it seems, as it can fire on the move and is difficult to hit. Try to not park next to trees or walls when fighting it to avoid being overpressured. Fortunately, due to the insane overpressure damage of the ZT3A2, it is possible to destroy IT-1 by hitting its missile or the fake panel on the turret's front that allows it to reload, as it's only 25 mm thick. Therefore, it's best to attack when IT-1 is about to reload - since their missile rack does not explode from damage, they are often very arrogant and are unlikely to try and dodge your shot, instead they will move in to fire. Another opportunity to hit them is to fight them over a hill and abuse strong vertical drives of your missiles to hit them as they retreat, but it's less feasible in RB/SB.
+* [[IT-1]]: This tank is more dangerous than it seems, as it can fire on the move and is difficult to hit. Try to not park next to trees or walls when fighting it to avoid being overpressured. Fortunately, due to the insane overpressure damage of the ZT3A2, it is possible to destroy IT-1 by hitting its missile or the fake panel on the turret's front that allows it to reload, as it's only 25 mm thick. Therefore, it's best to attack when IT-1 is about to reload - they are often very arrogant and are unlikely to try and dodge your shot, instead they will move in to fire. Another opportunity to hit them is to fight them over a hill and abuse strong vertical drives of your missiles to hit them as they retreat, but it's less feasible in RB/SB.
-*[[T-55AMD-1]]: this tank is annoying, as if it is looking in your direction, this means that it can shoot down your ATGM with its active protection system. There are at least 2 guns with 2 shots each covering each 20 degrees in front of the turret. Fortunately, the protection arc is quite narrow, its reaction time is not great, it seems to not understand if there are multiple missiles flying after one another, and there are blind spots on the lower half. Generally, the system shoots down missiles high in the sky, but fails to hit missiles that go along the ground, and it will fail to stop any missiles suddenly appearing from behind an obstacle (for example, if the tank doesn't fully expose the turret over a hill). To straight up obliterate it frontally, launch at least two missiles and guide them to a single side of the tank to overload APS (do not shake them horizontally or APS on both sides of the turret might fire) and crush the tank.
+*[[T-55AMD-1]]: this tank is annoying, as if it is looking in your direction, this means that it can shoot down your ATGM with its active protection system. There are at least 2 guns with 2 shots each covering each 20 degrees in front of the turret. A full salvo will be required to overload even one APS of the four, so try to hit only one side of the tank. Sudden missile attack from beyond cover may bypass APS as it's not the fastest in the world, but it is more up to luck than skill from your perspective.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Missiles do not turn well in the horizontal plane and are especially unresponsive in RB, can easily overshoot during a turn if used incorrectly
+* Vertical depression is not too great on the launcher, which can limit launch options from high ground in RB or at point-blank range in any mode (not as much of an issue in AB)
-* Vertical depression is not too great on the launcher, and missiles tend to crash into the carrier's own cover, which can limit launch options from high ground in RB or at point-blank range in any mode (not as much of an issue in AB)
+* Missiles do not turn well at close range
 * In SB, the hull must be exposed to make a direct shot and almost any responding shot to the top of the hull will destroy the weapon, ammo rack, or enough crew to count as crew knockout, even a single glancing hit from [[ZSU-57-2]] may be enough. In AB/RB it still has to be careful, as any direct hit to the missiles will make them explode the carrier
 * Slow when driving offroad and in general drives more like a bus rather than a tank or a regular armoured car
 * Must make a complete stop to fire, which makes it incapable of fighting any kind of light tanks or SPAA directly
 * Missiles are rather slow, only 20-40 m/s faster than MILAN
-* Reloads only after spending all three shots (but reloads all three at once), does not automatically reload during rearm like the [[Striker]]
+* Reloads only after spending all three shots, unless rearmed by a capture point/ammo box (but reloads all three at once)
-* Has obsolete smoke grenades and only has one group of them
+* Has obsolete smoke grenades and only has one full group of them
 * Too tall to drive under bridges on most maps (on some maps, cannot attack a capture point with others)

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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 12 (3) || rowspan="2" | -5°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 35.2 || 48.8 || 59.2 || 65.5 || 69.7 || rowspan="2" | 19.50 || rowspan="2" | 17.25 || rowspan="2" | 15.90 || rowspan="2" | 15.00
+| rowspan="2" | 15 (3) || rowspan="2" | -5°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 35.2 || 48.8 || 59.2 || 65.5 || 69.7 || rowspan="2" | 19.50 || rowspan="2" | 17.25 || rowspan="2" | 15.90 || rowspan="2" | 15.00
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 There are two main missiles on the {{PAGENAME}}, the ZT3A1 and ZT3A2. Both missiles are laser-guided, which makes them immune to jamming by IRCM and allows the carrier to guide them all at once. Both missiles have reasonably strong vertical drive and rather sluggish horizontal drive, allowing the operator to quickly shift them up or down, as long as they do not try to change their flight direction, in which case the missiles will start to lose control and wiggle, only stabilizing after at least 400 m. These missiles also can cause overpressure damage through more RHA than would be expected from a normal HEAT warhead, meaning they can destroy many medium tanks by hitting their turret's rooftop.
-The missiles are loaded in magazines of 3 missiles with 4 magazines or 12 missiles total. They aren't reloaded if the launcher is damaged. Each shot forces a 0.6s reload. Missiles fire off in order from the right to the left. Missiles struggle to take off and initially take a vertical stance, sometimes even obscuring the gunner's vision, so attempts to launch them downward while having the launcher peek over an object is likely to make them explode on launch.
+The missiles are loaded in magazines of 3 missiles with 5 magazines or 15 missiles total. They aren't reloaded if the launcher is damaged. Each shot forces a 0.6s reload. Missiles fire off in order from the right to the left. Missiles struggle to take off and initially take a vertical stance, sometimes even obscuring the gunner's vision, so attempts to launch them downward while having the launcher peek over an object is likely to make them explode on launch.
 In AB/RB the guiding "camera" is located in the launcher, which means that it can fire and guide straight after exposing the launcher. In SB, missiles are guided by the gunner's optics under the launcher, which means that the hull must also be exposed.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British tank destroyer 8.3{{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ixwa Strike"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ixwa Strike"]].
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ixwa Strike"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British tank destroyer 8.3{{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ixwa Strike"]].
 == General info ==

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 '''Notable enemies'''
-* Proximity missile carriers: avoid gaining attention of the [[M3A3 Bradley]], [[CM25]], the [[Dardo]] and similar tanks since their missiles can explode in proximity of enemy tanks and the {{PAGENAME}}'s armour is too thin to survive overpressure damage. Locate and destroy them immediately, if you can, or run very far away, as simple cover of a hill or a wall won't save against them. If forced to fight them head-on (preferable in AB only): ensure that your launcher is fully loaded, position yourself as far away from them as possible and put the hull low behind cover to avoid being obliterated by a gun, but high enough to be visible. Natural reaction to this for most such light tanks is to start spamming ATGMs at you, this is where the 3-shot magazine of the ZT3A2 comes into play. Since proximity missiles have the tendency to react to anything they fly next to, your answer should be firing a missile of your own. Once they are out of ammo, drop the third shot straight into their turret or run.
+* Proximity missile carriers: avoid gaining attention of the a vehicle with TOW-2B or [[Rbs 56|BILL]] missiles since their missiles can explode above enemy tanks and the {{PAGENAME}}'s armour is too thin to survive overpressure damage. Locate and destroy them immediately, if you can, or run very far away, as simple cover of a hill or a wall won't save against them. If forced to fight them head-on (preferable in AB only): ensure that your launcher is fully loaded, position yourself as far away from them as possible and put the hull low behind cover to avoid being obliterated by a gun, but high enough to be visible. Natural reaction to this for most such light tanks is to start spamming ATGMs at you, this is where the 3-shot magazine of the ZT3A2 comes into play. Since proximity missiles have the tendency to react to anything they fly next to, your answer should be firing a missile of your own. Once they are out of ammo, drop the third shot straight into their turret or run.
 * Wheeled light tanks: the ZT3A2 is on average two times slower than light tanks on wheels at the same rank due to its negligible offroad speed, as it averages at a speed of a fast medium tank or slower light tanks even with the best player effort. It is too likely to meet a player, that can and will fire their guns while driving at a full 90+ km/h, but maybe you will be able to do an emergency stop and destroy them (or at least destroy eachother). It is even more likely to meet 4 of such tanks already standing next to a capture point that you were intending to attack, so don't be overconfident and be careful with rushing attacks into capture points with lots of low cover (which the ZT3A2 can't use as it's too tall). Do not act as if you are the only person who can rush, as otherwise the ZT3A2 will get gunned down before even doing anything, since it can't fire on the move.
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 * Slow when drives offroad and in general drives more like a bus rather than a tank or a regular armoured car
 * Must make a complete stop to fire, which makes it incapable of fighting any kind of light tanks or SPAA directly
-* Missiles are only 20-40 m/s faster than MILAN and hostile ATGM tanks generally use missiles that are 2 to 5 times faster, SAM tanks can even make a very late response and still win the duel
+* Missiles are only 20-40 m/s faster than MILAN.
 * Reloads only after spending all three shots (but reloads all three at once), does not automatically reload during rearm like the [[Striker]]
 * Has obsolete smoke grenades and only has one group of them
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_ratel_zt3 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 {{main|ZT3}}
-There are two main missiles on the {{PAGENAME}}, The ZT3A1 and ZT3A2. Both missiles are laser-guided, which makes them immune to jamming by IRCM and allows the carrier to guide them all at once. Both missiles have reasonably strong vertical drive and rather sluggish horizontal drive, allowing operator to quickly shift them around, as long as they do not try to change their flight direction entirely. These missiles also can cause overpressure damage through more RHA than would be expected from a normal HEAT warhead, meaning they can destroy many medium tanks by hitting their turret's rooftop.
+There are two main missiles on the {{PAGENAME}}, The ZT3A1 and ZT3A2. Both missiles are laser-guided, which makes them immune to jamming by IRCM and allows the carrier to guide them all at once. Both missiles have reasonably strong vertical drive and rather sluggish horizontal drive, allowing operator to quickly shift them up or down, as long as they do not try to change their flight direction, in which case the missiles will start to lose control and wiggle, only stabilizing after at least 400 m. These missiles also can cause overpressure damage through more RHA than would be expected from a normal HEAT warhead, meaning they can destroy many medium tanks by hitting their turret's rooftop.
 The missiles are loaded in magazines of 3 missiles with 4 magazines or 12 missiles total. They aren't reloaded if the launcher is damaged. Each shot forces a 0.6s reload. Missiles fire off in order from the right to the left. Missiles struggle to take off and initially take vertical stance, sometimes even obscuring the gunner vision, so attempts to launch them downward while having the launcher peek over an object is likely to make them explode on launch.
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 In AB/RB the guiding "camera" is located in the launcher, which means that it can fire and guide straight after exposing the launcher. In SB, missiles are guided by gunner's optics under the launcher, which means that the hull must also be exposed.
-The ZT3A1 can be treated like a [[MILAN 2]] with 40 more km/h speed on it. It often fails to break through light tanks and will only destroy ERA screens, but not break through them in most cases. Regardless, they are still very strong and there are 3 of them at once, so it is possible to destroy an entire tank squad if they are not paying attention to their surroundings. They can cause overpressure through 20 mm RHA, which means it can destroy [[Leopard_1_(Family)|Leopard]] by hitting the top of its roof.
+In terms of speed the ZT3A1 can be treated like a [[MILAN 2]] with 40 more km/h speed on it. It often fails to break through light tanks and will only destroy ERA screens, but not break through them in most cases. Regardless, they are still very strong and there are 3 of them at once, so it is possible to destroy an entire tank squad if they are not paying attention to their surroundings and stand close to each other. These missiles can cause overpressure through 20 mm RHA, which means one can destroy [[Leopard_1_(Family)|Leopard]] by hitting the top of its roof.
 The ZT3A2 has a tandem warhead, which allows it to penetrate one obstacle (primarily, ERA of Soviet or French tanks) without wasting the HEAT payload, and it in general has more penetration than all of the rank VI ATGMs, easily breaching and obliterating any tanks they land on. Unfortunately, some light tanks like the [[TAM]] can still somehow survive a direct hit, so aiming at weak spots is still recommended. This missile can cause overpressure through 30 mm RHA, so even many Soviet tank roofs aren't safe from it, so even if they hide the hull they are still an easy target.
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 '''Notable enemies'''
-* Proximity missile carriers: avoid gaining attention of the [[M3A3 Bradley]], [[CM25]] and the [[Dardo]] since their missiles can explode in proximity of enemy tanks and the {{PAGENAME}}'s armour is too thin to survive overpressure damage. Locate and destroy them immediately, if you can, or run very far away, as simple cover of a hill or a wall won't save against them. If forced to fight them head-on (preferable in AB only): ensure that your launcher is fully loaded, position yourself as far away from them as possible and put the hull low behind cover to avoid being obliterated by a gun, but high enough to be visible. Natural reaction to this for most such light tanks is to start spamming ATGMs at you, this is where the 3-shot magazine of the ZT3A2 comes into play. Since proximity missiles have the tendency to react to anything they fly next to, your answer should be firing a missile of your own. Once they are out of ammo, drop the third shot straight into their turret or run.
+* Proximity missile carriers: avoid gaining attention of the [[M3A3 Bradley]], [[CM25]], the [[Dardo]] and similar tanks since their missiles can explode in proximity of enemy tanks and the {{PAGENAME}}'s armour is too thin to survive overpressure damage. Locate and destroy them immediately, if you can, or run very far away, as simple cover of a hill or a wall won't save against them. If forced to fight them head-on (preferable in AB only): ensure that your launcher is fully loaded, position yourself as far away from them as possible and put the hull low behind cover to avoid being obliterated by a gun, but high enough to be visible. Natural reaction to this for most such light tanks is to start spamming ATGMs at you, this is where the 3-shot magazine of the ZT3A2 comes into play. Since proximity missiles have the tendency to react to anything they fly next to, your answer should be firing a missile of your own. Once they are out of ammo, drop the third shot straight into their turret or run.
 * Wheeled light tanks: the ZT3A2 is on average two times slower than light tanks on wheels at the same rank due to its negligible offroad speed, as it averages at a speed of a fast medium tank or slower light tanks even with the best player effort. It is too likely to meet a player, that can and will fire their guns while driving at a full 90+ km/h, but maybe you will be able to do an emergency stop and destroy them (or at least destroy eachother). It is even more likely to meet 4 of such tanks already standing next to a capture point that you were intending to attack, so don't be overconfident and be careful with rushing attacks into capture points with lots of low cover (which the ZT3A2 can't use as it's too tall). Do not act as if you are the only person who can rush, as otherwise the ZT3A2 will get gunned down before even doing anything, since it can't fire on the move.
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Missiles do not turn well in horizontal plane and are especially unresponsive in RB
+* Missiles do not turn well in horizontal plane and are especially unresponsive in RB, can easily overshoot during a turn if used incorrectly
 * Vertical depression is not too great on the launcher, and missiles tend to crash into the carrier's own cover, which can limit launch options from high ground in RB or at point blank range in any mode (not as much of an issue in AB)
 * In SB, the hull must be exposed to make a direct shot and almost any responding shot to the top of the hull will destroy weapon, ammo rack, or enough crew to count as crew knockout, even a single glancing hit from [[ZSU-57-2]] may be enough. In AB/RB it still have to be careful, as any direct hit to the missiles will make them explode the carrier

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:ZT3/Ammunition|ZT3A1, ZT3A2}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====