Z25 - Revision history

U12017485: Added a link to the family page, added a perspective image in high quality to make it easier to recognise

2024-07-23T07:49:45Z

Added a link to the family page, added a perspective image in high quality to make it easier to recognise

U12017485: Returned

2024-07-23T07:26:58Z

Returned

U44629479: Edits

2024-02-17T21:04:14Z

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U105837429: /* Description */ armament

2024-02-17T20:20:03Z

‎Description: armament

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2023-06-27T14:17:37Z

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U9202753: Two new Specs-Card ArtImages. Moved old Picture to Media:Images

2023-05-06T00:48:57Z

Two new Specs-Card ArtImages. Moved old Picture to Media:Images

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-03-04T15:35:47Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U44629479: Edits

2022-10-28T15:49:20Z

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U69651212: Grammar changes

2022-10-28T15:43:45Z

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U38088265: /* Secondary armament */

2022-10-28T15:16:30Z

‎Secondary armament

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} German destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update "Hot Tracks"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season II, "Steel Centurion"]] and returned as one of the random rewards in [[Battle Pass: Season XVI, "Skilled Marksman"]].
-The Z25 replaces one of the centrally-mounted 15 cm main guns with an AA battery consisting of 3.7 and 2 cm guns, making it a formidable anti-aircraft platform. While it doesn't have the rate of fire of its brethren with [[12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)|12.8 cm]] guns, the AP rounds of the [[15 cm/48 KC/36 (150 mm)|15 cm]] cannons are particularly lethal.
+The Z25 compared to other [[Type 1936 (Family)|Type 1936]] destroyers replaces one of the centrally-mounted 15 cm main guns with an AA battery consisting of 3.7 and 2 cm guns, making it a formidable anti-aircraft platform. While it doesn't have the rate of fire of its brethren with [[12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)|12.8 cm]] guns, the AP rounds of the [[15 cm/48 KC/36 (150 mm)|15 cm]] cannons are particularly lethal.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} German destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update "Hot Tracks"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season II, "Steel Centurion"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} German destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update "Hot Tracks"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season II, "Steel Centurion"]] and returned as one of the random rewards in [[Battle Pass: Season XVI, "Skilled Marksman"]].
 The Z25 replaces one of the centrally-mounted 15 cm main guns with an AA battery consisting of 3.7 and 2 cm guns, making it a formidable anti-aircraft platform. While it doesn't have the rate of fire of its brethren with [[12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)|12.8 cm]] guns, the AP rounds of the [[15 cm/48 KC/36 (150 mm)|15 cm]] cannons are particularly lethal.

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} German destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update "Hot Tracks"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season II, "Steel Centurion"]].
-The Z25 replaces one of the centrally mounted 15cm main guns with an AA battery consisting of 3.7 and 2cm guns, making it a formidable anti aircraft platform. While it doesn't have the rate of fire of its brethren with [[12.8_cm/45_SK_C/34_(128_mm)|12.8 cm]] guns, the the AP rounds of the [[15_cm/48_KC/36_(150_mm)|15cm]] cannons are particularly lethal.
+The Z25 replaces one of the centrally-mounted 15 cm main guns with an AA battery consisting of 3.7 and 2 cm guns, making it a formidable anti-aircraft platform. While it doesn't have the rate of fire of its brethren with [[12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)|12.8 cm]] guns, the AP rounds of the [[15 cm/48 KC/36 (150 mm)|15 cm]] cannons are particularly lethal.
 == General info ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} German destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update "Hot Tracks"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season II, "Steel Centurion"]].
 == General info ==

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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-;Related development
+;[[Type 1936 (Family)|Related development]]
+* [[Z32]]
-* [[Type 1936 (Family)]]
+* [[Marceau]]
 == External links ==

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 File:Type 1936A WTWallpaper 02.jpg|
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 The second shell type, a semi-armour piercing capped shell, has good penetration, a TNT equivalent of 3.32 kg and a muzzle velocity of 835 m/s. Furthermore, this is the only destroyer shell able to reliably threaten a large portion of cruisers at ranges of 5,000 m. An accurate player will be able to ammorack most early interwar cruisers, or at least cripple them severely.
 The last shell, an explosive round with time fuse, can be used against aircraft if aimed carefully.
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
+{{:15 cm/48 KC/36 (150 mm)/Ammunition|15 cm Spgr. L/4.5 Kz (m.Hb), 15 cm Spgr. L/4.4 Bdz (m.Hb), 15 cm Spgr. L/4.5 Zt.Z}}
 === Secondary armament ===
 {{Specs-Fleet-Secondary}}
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-{{main|3.7 cm FlaK-Lafette C/36 (37 mm)}}
+{{main|FlaK-Lafette C/36 (37 mm)}}
 The Z25 sacrifices one of the 15 cm cannon for extra aerial protection. Other than two twin 3.7 cm FlaK from the [[Z32]] that are placed at the place where the second 15 cm turret were once located, it also featured six single 3.7 cm FlaK mounts, four placed around the ship's second funnel and two on the aforementioned former turret mount. These have a fire rate of 30 round per minute and provide anti-ship capabilities against smaller patrol vessels and ship at close ranges with HE and AP, as well as good anti-air capabilities against low-ceiling planes.
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 * '''37 mm APT clips:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:FlaK-Lafette C/36 (37 mm)/Ammunition|HEF-I, AP-T}}
 === Anti-aircraft armament ===

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 The Z25 is essentially the [[Z32]] that sacrifices one single 15 cm turret for more secondary and AA mounts. Although it has less broadside firepower than its tech tree counterpart. It still retains its function as an excellent ship, boasting massive firepower bow-on.
-Due to its non-existent armour, good muzzle velocity, slow firing and slow traversing guns, the Z25 is best used on medium or long ranges, where evasive manoeuvres can be made and enemies have a harder time hitting you. Following this, the Z25 should not be in the first line of attack, it should be played more like a support, staying further away, and making use of its longer range weaponry. When engaging at close range, the lack of firerate becomes apparent and multiple enemies from different directions can easily overwhelm the slow reacting destroyer, in these situations a precise shot in the ammorack can do the trick and is much more reliable than with smaller calibres. Furthermore, the large calibre is capable to overcome even the anti-fragmentation armour of American destroyers without losing much of your explosive power, and therefore countering those American vessels.
+Due to its non-existent armour, good muzzle velocity, slow firing and slow traversing guns, the Z25 is best used on medium or long ranges, where evasive manoeuvres can be made and enemies have a harder time hitting you. Following this, the Z25 should not be in the first line of attack, it should be played more like a support, staying further away, and making use of its longer range weaponry. When engaging at close range, the slow rate of fire becomes apparent and multiple enemies from different directions can easily overwhelm the slow reacting destroyer, in these situations a precise shot in the ammorack can do the trick and is much more reliable than with smaller calibres. Furthermore, the large calibre is capable to overcome even the anti-fragmentation armour of American destroyers without losing much of your explosive power, and therefore countering those American vessels.
 Having the semi-armour piercing (SAP) shell equipped gives the Z25 another, more unique role, namely the role of a cruiser killer, being one of the few destroyers to be able to do so. Since your destroyer is the definition of a glass cannon, even more when facing cruisers, it is important to stay concealed behind islands or simply by not shooting whilst closing in to a range of around 4-6 km. A few salvoes into the sides of the cruiser where the ammo is located is usually enough for most early interwar cruiser designs like the [[USS Trenton]], the [[Krasny Kavkaz]], or the [[Köln]].

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 {{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}
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-The Z25 offers very little additional protection except the basic hull with 16 mm of steel armour and a superstructure with 8 mm of steel armour. The gunshields on the single 15 cm mounts are 12.7 mm thick and the gunshields on the 20 mm Flakvierlings measure 8 mm of armour, therefore only offering protection from small calibre machine gun fire.
+The Z25 offers very little additional protection except the basic hull with 16 mm of steel armour and a superstructure with 8 mm of steel armour. The gun shields on the single 15 cm mounts are 12.7 mm thick and the gun shields on the 20 mm Flakvierlings measure 8 mm of armour, therefore only offering protection from small calibre machine gun fire.
 The only significantly armoured part of the ship is the twin 15 cm turret on the front, with around 30 mm of armour frontally and 20 mm on the sides, offering enough protection to resist some early destroyer rounds, thus making it last longer in bow-in engagements.
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 The HE shell has a TNT equivalent of 3.91 kg and a muzzle velocity of 835 m/s, making it a great choice for medium ranges against destroyers of any kind.
-The second shell type, a semi-armour piercing capped shell has good penetration, a TNT equivalent of 3.32 kg and a muzzle velocity of 835 m/s. Furthermore, this is the only destroyer shell able to reliably threaten a large portion of cruisers at ranges of 5,000 m. An accurate player will be able to ammorack most early interwar cruisers, or at least cripple them severely.
+The second shell type, a semi-armour piercing capped shell, has good penetration, a TNT equivalent of 3.32 kg and a muzzle velocity of 835 m/s. Furthermore, this is the only destroyer shell able to reliably threaten a large portion of cruisers at ranges of 5,000 m. An accurate player will be able to ammorack most early interwar cruisers, or at least cripple them severely.
 The last shell, an explosive round with time fuse, can be used against aircraft if aimed carefully.
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 {{main|2 cm/65 C/38 (20 mm)|2 cm/65 Flakvierling 38 (20 mm)|2 cm/65 Flakzwilling 38 (20 mm)}}
-In addition to the 37 mm guns, the Z25 also featured four extra 20 mm emplacements (sixteen in total) in the form of dual 2 cm FlaK mounts. All four of which were located the front. The two quadmounts located front of the bridge and between the (former) second and third main gun placement. This gives the Z25 an impressive anti-air capabilities for close range encounters, although for longer ranges, this calibre is insufficient.
+In addition to the 37 mm guns, the Z25 also featured four extra 20 mm emplacements (sixteen in total) in the form of dual 2 cm FlaK mounts. All four of which were located in the front. The two quadmounts located in front of the bridge and between the (former) second and third main gun placement. This gives the Z25 an impressive anti-air capabilities for close range encounters, although for longer ranges, this calibre is insufficient.
 Other than that, the Z25 also featured a single 2 cm/65 C/38 autocannon mount directly at the front of the first main turret, this gun is nearly identical to that of the 20 cm FlaK.
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 {{main|G7a (533 mm)|WBG depth charge}}
-The Z25 is equipped with basic two quadruple 533 mm G7a torpedo launchers placed at the centre of the ship. This torpedo has a speed of 81 km/h and a maximum range of 6 km. It takes 50 m to arm the torpedo. On-board is 358.4 kg TNT which causes a significant blow. The range can be extended up to 13 km with torpedo mode modification.
+The Z25 is equipped with basic two quadruple 533 mm G7a torpedo launchers placed at the centre of the ship. This torpedo has a speed of 81 km/h and a maximum range of 6 km. It takes 50 m to arm the torpedo. On-board is 358.4 kg TNT, which causes a significant blow. The range can be extended up to 13 km with torpedo mode modification.
 == Usage in battles ==
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-The Z25 is essentially the [[Z32]] that sacrifices one single 15 cm turret for more secondary and AA mounts. Although it has less broadside firepower than its tech tree counterpart. It still retains its function as an excellent ship boasting massive firepower bow-on.
+The Z25 is essentially the [[Z32]] that sacrifices one single 15 cm turret for more secondary and AA mounts. Although it has less broadside firepower than its tech tree counterpart. It still retains its function as an excellent ship, boasting massive firepower bow-on.
 Due to its non-existent armour, good muzzle velocity, slow firing and slow traversing guns, the Z25 is best used on medium or long ranges, where evasive manoeuvres can be made and enemies have a harder time hitting you. Following this, the Z25 should not be in the first line of attack, it should be played more like a support, staying further away, and making use of its longer range weaponry. When engaging at close range, the lack of firerate becomes apparent and multiple enemies from different directions can easily overwhelm the slow reacting destroyer, in these situations a precise shot in the ammorack can do the trick and is much more reliable than with smaller calibres. Furthermore, the large calibre is capable to overcome even the anti-fragmentation armour of American destroyers without losing much of your explosive power, and therefore countering those American vessels.
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 Having the semi-armour piercing (SAP) shell equipped gives the Z25 another, more unique role, namely the role of a cruiser killer, being one of the few destroyers to be able to do so. Since your destroyer is the definition of a glass cannon, even more when facing cruisers, it is important to stay concealed behind islands or simply by not shooting whilst closing in to a range of around 4-6 km. A few salvoes into the sides of the cruiser where the ammo is located is usually enough for most early interwar cruiser designs like the [[USS Trenton]], the [[Krasny Kavkaz]], or the [[Köln]].
-In exchange to one less main gun, Z25 is equipped with a lot of small calibre mounts (ten 37 mm secondary guns and seventeen 20 mm AA guns in total) placed all over the ship. These guns is very deadly against enemy ship at close range (as it can cripple the enemy ship by depleting their crew and occasionally set the enemy ship on fire), various PT boats, and enemy aircrafts. While the AI gunners is able to reliably hit the enemy ship, smaller targets such as PT boats and occasionally aircraft may requires manual aiming to destroy them. It is advised to use the HE belts for the 37 mm against these targets as it can deal a good amount of damage via fragmentation blast.
+In exchange to one less main gun, Z25 is equipped with a lot of small calibre mounts (ten 37 mm secondary guns and seventeen 20 mm AA guns in total) placed all over the ship. These guns are very deadly against enemy ship at close range (as it can cripple the enemy ship by depleting their crew and occasionally set the enemy ship on fire), various PT boats, and enemy aircraft. While the AI gunners is able to reliably hit the enemy ship, smaller targets such as PT boats and occasionally aircraft may require manual aiming to destroy them. It is advised to use the HE belts for the 37 mm against these targets as it can deal a good amount of damage via fragmentation blast.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Protection is still insufficient against most of cruisers
+* Protection is still insufficient against most cruisers
 * Rear turrets have limited forward elevation angles
 * Unsynchronized firing rate: rear guns use ready racks but front turret does not

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 The Z25 sacrifices one of the 15 cm cannon for extra aerial protection. Other than two twin 3.7 cm FlaK from the [[Z32]] that are placed at the place where the second 15 cm turret were once located, it also featured six single 3.7 cm FlaK mounts, four placed around the ship's second funnel and two on the aforementioned former turret mount. These have a fire rate of 30 round per minute and provide anti-ship capabilities against smaller patrol vessels and ship at close ranges with HE and AP, as well as good anti-air capabilities against low-ceiling planes.
 {| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
+! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
 |-
 ! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 ! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 |-
 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 |-
-| 37 mm HEF-I || HEF-I || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3
+| HEF-I || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3
 |-
-| 37 mm AP-T || AP-T || 67 || 64 || 53 || 42 || 33 || 26
+| AP-T || 67 || 64 || 53 || 42 || 33 || 26
 |-
 |}
 {| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="10" | Shell details
+! colspan="9" | Shell details
 |-
 ! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 ! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
 ! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>mass (kg)
-! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
+! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay
 ! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
 ! rowspan="2" | Explosive mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
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 ! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
 |-
-| 37 mm HEF-I || HEF-I || 845 || 0.62 || 0 || 0.1 || 44.03 || 79° || 80° || 81°
+| HEF-I || 845 || 0.62 || 0 || 0.1 || 44.03 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 |-
-| 37 mm AP-T || AP-T || 815 || 0.7 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
+| AP-T || 815 || 0.7 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
 |-
 |}
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 The Z25 is essentially the [[Z32]] that sacrifices one single 15 cm turret for more secondary and AA mounts. Although it has less broadside firepower than its tech tree counterpart. It still retains its function as an excellent ship boasting massive firepower bow-on.
-Due to its non-existent armour, good muzzle velocity, slow firing and slow traversing guns, the Z25 is best used on medium or long ranges, where evasive manoeuvers can be made and enemies have a harder time hitting you. Following this, the Z25 should not be in the first line of attack, it should be played more like a support, staying further away, and making use of its longer range weaponry. When engaging at close range, the lack of firerate becomes apparent and multiple enemies from different directions can easily overwhelm the slow reacting destroyer, in these situations a precise shot in the ammorack can do the trick and is much more reliable than with smaller calibres. Furthermore, the large calibre is capable to overcome even the anti-fragmentation armour of American destroyers without losing much of your explosive power, and therefore countering those American vessels.
+Due to its non-existent armour, good muzzle velocity, slow firing and slow traversing guns, the Z25 is best used on medium or long ranges, where evasive manoeuvres can be made and enemies have a harder time hitting you. Following this, the Z25 should not be in the first line of attack, it should be played more like a support, staying further away, and making use of its longer range weaponry. When engaging at close range, the lack of firerate becomes apparent and multiple enemies from different directions can easily overwhelm the slow reacting destroyer, in these situations a precise shot in the ammorack can do the trick and is much more reliable than with smaller calibres. Furthermore, the large calibre is capable to overcome even the anti-fragmentation armour of American destroyers without losing much of your explosive power, and therefore countering those American vessels.
 Having the semi-armour piercing (SAP) shell equipped gives the Z25 another, more unique role, namely the role of a cruiser killer, being one of the few destroyers to be able to do so. Since your destroyer is the definition of a glass cannon, even more when facing cruisers, it is important to stay concealed behind islands or simply by not shooting whilst closing in to a range of around 4-6 km. A few salvoes into the sides of the cruiser where the ammo is located is usually enough for most early interwar cruiser designs like the [[USS Trenton]], the [[Krasny Kavkaz]], or the [[Köln]].
 In exchange to one less main gun, Z25 is equipped with a lot of small calibre mounts (ten 37 mm secondary guns and seventeen 20 mm AA guns in total) placed all over the ship. These guns is very deadly against enemy ship at close range (as it can cripple the enemy ship by depleting their crew and occasionally set the enemy ship on fire), various PT boats, and enemy aircrafts. While the AI gunners is able to reliably hit the enemy ship, smaller targets such as PT boats and occasionally aircraft may requires manual aiming to destroy them. It is advised to use the HE belts for the 37 mm against these targets as it can deal a good amount of damage via fragmentation blast.
 === Pros and cons ===
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