Z12 Erich Giese - Revision history

U12017485: fuze -> fuse

2024-11-04T18:13:09Z

fuze -> fuse

U28580205 at 02:51, 17 January 2024

2024-01-17T02:51:01Z

U118297206: I added the main Armament, the Additional Armament and some pros and cons

2024-01-12T09:41:44Z

I added the main Armament, the Additional Armament and some pros and cons

U38088265: /* Description */

2024-01-04T15:05:39Z

‎Description

U31139476: /* Description */

2024-01-04T15:02:07Z

‎Description

U118297206: I did the general description i will add more later

2023-12-29T16:32:01Z

I did the general description i will add more later

U44629479: /* Primary armament */ Edits

2023-06-24T19:31:22Z

‎Primary armament: Edits

U44629479: /* Primary armament */ Edits

2023-06-24T19:29:11Z

‎Primary armament: Edits

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-03-04T15:39:24Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U12017485: +NavalMobility

2023-02-19T21:52:07Z

+NavalMobility

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 The main armament of the Z 12 Erich Giese consists in five 128 mm naval cannons, two of them are located at the front of the ship, one is located in the middle of the ship and the remaining two are located at the back.
-These cannons are able to shoot three types of ammunition. First, the Sprgr. Kpf.Z HE shell with 2 kg of TNT equivalent and a muzzle velocity of 830 m/s. This is the standard ammunition for the Z12 Erich Giese. The next one is the Sprgr. Bd.z, a base-fused HE shell with more penetration in but with less explosive mass, only 1.4 kg of TNT equivalent and the same muzzle velocity of 830 m/s. The last shell is the Sprgr. Zt.Z and it comes with the same amount of TNT and muzzle velocity as the Sprgr. Bd.Z but it is equiped with a time fuze, which can be useful when engaging enemy aircraft, and can compensate the lack of air defense of the Z12 Erich Giese
+These cannons are able to shoot three types of ammunition. First, the Sprgr. Kpf.Z HE shell with 2 kg of TNT equivalent and a muzzle velocity of 830 m/s. This is the standard ammunition for the Z12 Erich Giese. The next one is the Sprgr. Bd.z, a base-fused HE shell with more penetration in but with less explosive mass, only 1.4 kg of TNT equivalent and the same muzzle velocity of 830 m/s. The last shell is the Sprgr. Zt.Z and it comes with the same amount of TNT and muzzle velocity as the Sprgr. Bd.Z but it is equiped with a time fuse, which can be useful when engaging enemy aircraft, and can compensate the lack of air defense of the Z12 Erich Giese
 === Secondary armament ===

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 {{main|12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)}}
-{{:12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)/Ammunition|12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Bd.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z}}The main armament of the Z 12 Erich Giese consists in five 128 mm naval cannons, two of them are located at the front of the ship, one is located in the middle of the ship and the remaining two are located at the back.
+{{:12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)/Ammunition|12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Bd.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z}}
 These cannons are able to shoot three types of ammunition. First, the Sprgr. Kpf.Z HE shell with 2 kg of TNT equivalent and a muzzle velocity of 830 m/s. This is the standard ammunition for the Z12 Erich Giese. The next one is the Sprgr. Bd.z, a base-fused HE shell with more penetration in but with less explosive mass, only 1.4 kg of TNT equivalent and the same muzzle velocity of 830 m/s. The last shell is the Sprgr. Zt.Z and it comes with the same amount of TNT and muzzle velocity as the Sprgr. Bd.Z but it is equiped with a time fuze, which can be useful when engaging enemy aircraft, and can compensate the lack of air defense of the Z12 Erich Giese
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 {{Specs-Fleet-Additional}}
 {{main|G7a (533 mm)|WBG depth charge}}
 The Z12 Erich Giese is equipped with two quadruple torped launchers, which are located in the middle of the ship. The G7a is a deadly torpedo and can hullbreak any destroyer and can severly damage cruisers and battleships. The Z12 Erich Giese has also the option to use 4 WBG Depth Charges.
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 === Pros and cons ===
-''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''
+<!--''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''-->
 '''Pros:'''
-- High Mobility and agility
+* High mobility and agility
+* Powerful torpedos
 '''Cons:'''
-- Lack of Air Defense
+* Lack of air-defense
+* Lack of armour
 == History ==

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 {{main|12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)}}
-{{:12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)/Ammunition|12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Bd.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z}}
+{{:12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)/Ammunition|12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Bd.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z}}The main armament of the Z 12 Erich Giese consists in five 128 mm naval cannons, two of them are located at the front of the ship, one is located in the middle of the ship and the remaining two are located at the back.
 === Secondary armament ===
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 {{main|G7a (533 mm)|WBG depth charge}}
-''Describe the available additional armaments of the ship: depth charges, mines, torpedoes. Talk about their positions, available ammunition and launch features such as dead zones of torpedoes. If there is no additional armament, remove this section.''
+The Z12 Erich Giese is equipped with two quadruple torped launchers, which are located in the middle of the ship. The G7a is a deadly torpedo and can hullbreak any destroyer and can severly damage cruisers and battleships. The Z12 Erich Giese has also the option to use 4 WBG Depth Charges.
 == Usage in battles ==
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 '''Pros:'''
+*
 '''Cons:'''
+*

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-The Z12 Erich Giese was a German Type 1934A destroyer. It was built as the eighth of twelve ships of this type, built for the German Navy in the 1930s. The ship was laid down on 3 May 1935 and she was launched on 12 March 1937. The ship is extremely agile for a ship of this size.  Her Armament consists of five 12,8 cm/45 SK C/34 Cannons, which are the main armament, the secondary armament consists of two 3,7 cm SK C/30 Cannons, for Air defence the Z12 Erich Giese has six 2cm/65 C/38 Machine Guns. For heavier targets, the Z12 Erich Giese also has two torpedo Launchers, each launcher is equipped with 4 53,3cm G7a torpedos.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]] as part of the release of the fleet open beta test.
-The Z12 Erich Giese is a rank{{Specs|rank}}  German destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]] as part of the release of the fleet open beta test.
+The Z12 Erich Giese was a German Type 1934A destroyer, built as the eighth of twelve ships of this type for the German Navy in the 1930s. The ship was laid down on 3 May 1935 and she was launched on 12 March 1937.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-The Z12 Erich Giese, was a German Type 1934A destroyer. It was built as the eight of twelve ships of this Type, built for the German Navy in 1930s. The ship laid down on 3 May 1935 and she was launched on 12 March 1937. The ship is extremly agile for a ship of this size.  Her Armament consits of five 12,8 cm/45 SK C/34 Cannons, which are the main armament, the secondary armament consits of two 3,7 cm SK C/30 Cannons, for Air defense the Z12 Erich Giese has six 2cm/65 C/38 Machine Guns. For heavier targets the Z12 Erich Giese als has two torpedo Launchers, each launcher is equiped with 4 53,3cm G7a torpedos.
+The Z12 Erich Giese was a German Type 1934A destroyer. It was built as the eighth of twelve ships of this type, built for the German Navy in the 1930s. The ship was laid down on 3 May 1935 and she was launched on 12 March 1937. The ship is extremely agile for a ship of this size.  Her Armament consists of five 12,8 cm/45 SK C/34 Cannons, which are the main armament, the secondary armament consists of two 3,7 cm SK C/30 Cannons, for Air defence the Z12 Erich Giese has six 2cm/65 C/38 Machine Guns. For heavier targets, the Z12 Erich Giese also has two torpedo Launchers, each launcher is equipped with 4 53,3cm G7a torpedos.
 The Z12 Erich Giese is a rank{{Specs|rank}}  German destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]] as part of the release of the fleet open beta test.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]] as part of the release of the fleet open beta test.
+The Z12 Erich Giese, was a German Type 1934A destroyer. It was built as the eight of twelve ships of this Type, built for the German Navy in 1930s. The ship laid down on 3 May 1935 and she was launched on 12 March 1937. The ship is extremly agile for a ship of this size.  Her Armament consits of five 12,8 cm/45 SK C/34 Cannons, which are the main armament, the secondary armament consits of two 3,7 cm SK C/30 Cannons, for Air defense the Z12 Erich Giese has six 2cm/65 C/38 Machine Guns. For heavier targets the Z12 Erich Giese als has two torpedo Launchers, each launcher is equiped with 4 53,3cm G7a torpedos.
 == General info ==
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 {{Specs-Fleet-Primary}}
 {{main|12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)}}
 {{:12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)/Ammunition|12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Bd.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z}}
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 '''Pros:'''
+*
 '''Cons:'''
+*
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_destroyer_class1934a_1940 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[Type 1934A (Family)]]
 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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 ''Provide information about the characteristics of the primary armament. Evaluate their efficacy in battle based on their reload speed, ballistics and the capacity of their shells. Add a link to the main article about the weapon: <code><nowiki>{{main|Weapon name (calibre)}}</nowiki></code>. Broadly describe the ammunition available for the primary armament, and provide recommendations on how to use it and which ammunition to choose.''
-{{:12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)/Ammunition|12.7 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z, 12.7 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Bd.Z, 12.7 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z}}
+{{:12.8 cm/45 SK C/34 (128 mm)/Ammunition|12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Bd.Z, 12.8 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z}}
 === Secondary armament ===

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 === Primary armament ===
 {{Specs-Fleet-Primary}}
-<!-- ''Provide information about the characteristics of the primary armament. Evaluate their efficacy in battle based on their reload speed, ballistics and the capacity of their shells. Add a link to the main article about the weapon: <code><nowiki>{{main|Weapon name (calibre)}}</nowiki></code>. Broadly describe the ammunition available for the primary armament, and provide recommendations on how to use it and which ammunition to choose.'' -->
+{{main|SK C/34 (127 mm)}}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+''Provide information about the characteristics of the primary armament. Evaluate their efficacy in battle based on their reload speed, ballistics and the capacity of their shells. Add a link to the main article about the weapon: <code><nowiki>{{main|Weapon name (calibre)}}</nowiki></code>. Broadly describe the ammunition available for the primary armament, and provide recommendations on how to use it and which ammunition to choose.''
-! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
-|-
+{{:SK C/34 (127 mm)/Ammunition|12.7 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z, 12.7 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Bd.Z, 12.7 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z}}
 === Secondary armament ===
 {{Specs-Fleet-Secondary}}
-<!-- ''Some ships are fitted with weapons of various calibres. Secondary armaments are defined as weapons chosen with the control <code>Select secondary weapon</code>. Evaluate the secondary armaments and give advice on how to use them. Describe the ammunition available for the secondary armament. Provide recommendations on how to use them and which ammunition to choose. Remember that any anti-air armament, even heavy calibre weapons, belong in the next section. If there is no secondary armament, remove this section.'' -->
+{{main|SK C/30 (37 mm)}}
-{{main|3.7 cm SK C/30 (37 mm)}}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:SK C/30 (37 mm)/Ammunition|37 mm Spgr L/4.1 Lh 37, 37 mm Psgr L'spur Zerl}}
 === Anti-aircraft armament ===

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 ''Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.''
-{{NavalMobility}}
+{{NavalMobility
 === Modifications and economy ===