Valentine XI - Revision history

U91234167: /* Ammo racks */

2024-03-10T09:53:28Z

‎Ammo racks

U91234167: /* Ammo racks */ I checked in test drive

2024-03-10T09:52:37Z

‎Ammo racks: I checked in test drive

U38088265: /* Description */

2023-09-07T21:33:52Z

‎Description

U2126463: /* Description */

2023-09-05T19:26:24Z

‎Description

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-21T22:21:19Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U44629479: /* Media */ Removed dead video

2023-01-11T17:41:26Z

‎Media: Removed dead video

U44629479: Edits

2022-10-01T15:17:55Z

Edits

U129012650: /* Usage in battles */

2022-10-01T14:21:15Z

‎Usage in battles

U38088265: /* Machine guns */

2022-08-27T14:06:24Z

‎Machine guns

U44629479: Edits

2022-07-06T21:09:38Z

Edits

@@ Line 113: / Line 113: @@
 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
 |-
-| '''45''' || 37&nbsp;''(+8)'' || 28&nbsp;''(+17)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+26)'' || 10&nbsp;''(+35)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+44)'' || Yes
+| '''45''' || 37&nbsp;''(+8)'' || 28&nbsp;''(+17)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+27)'' || 10&nbsp;''(+35)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+44)'' || Yes
 |-
 |}

@@ Line 113: / Line 113: @@
 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
 |-
-| '''45''' || 37&nbsp;''(+8)'' || 28&nbsp;''(+17)'' || 19&nbsp;''(+26)'' || 10&nbsp;''(+35)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+44)'' || Yes
+| '''45''' || 37&nbsp;''(+8)'' || 28&nbsp;''(+17)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+26)'' || 10&nbsp;''(+35)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+44)'' || Yes
 |-
 |}
@@ Line 219: / Line 219: @@
 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_valentine_mk_11 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

@@ Line 11: / Line 11: @@
 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a British infantry tank. Its developemet started as private venture of Vickers-Armstrong in 1938 based on experience with A9, A10 and A11 cruiser and infantry tank designs. The War Office initially wasn´t satisfied with only a two-man turret as they´ve opted for a three-man one so the commander would not become overwhelmed with tasks during battle. With situation in Europe worsening, the design was approved in April 1939 and first deliveries were made in May 1940.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a British infantry tank. Its development started as a private venture of Vickers-Armstrong in 1938, based on experience with the A9, A10 and A11 cruiser and infantry tank designs. The War Office initially wasn't satisfied with only a two-man turret: a three-man turret was fitted so the commander would not become overwhelmed with tasks during battle. With the situation in Europe worsening, the design was approved in April 1939 and first deliveries were made in May 1940. The Valentine XI was an upgunned version of the earlier X, featuring an Ordnance QF 75 mm gun and 210 hp GMC 6004 diesel engine; the armour was also welded rather than riveted. Nearly all variants of the Valentine tank except Mk I were sent to USSR as part of the Lend-Lease act.
-The Valentine was released along with the initial British tree line in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]]. Featuring a deadly 75 mm gun paired with quite fast reload and excellent armour protection, the Valentine XI is a formidable opponent. While angled majority of its opponents would struggle to penetrate its hull armour. Turret although vulnerable can also deflect few rounds due to its shape. The main drawback of the Valentine is very slow turret rotation speed, only 2.4 km/h reverse speed and low maximum speed of only 24 km/h making the Valentine slower even than the Maus.
+The Valentine was introduced along with the initial British tree line in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]]. Featuring a deadly 75 mm gun paired with quite fast reload and excellent armour protection, the Valentine XI is a formidable opponent. While angled, the majority of its opponents will struggle to penetrate its hull armour. The turret, although more vulnerable, can also deflect a few rounds due to its shape. The main drawback of the Valentine is its very slow turret rotation speed, only 2.4 km/h reverse speed and low maximum speed of only 24 km/h, making the Valentine slower than even the [[Maus]].
 == General info ==
@@ Line 50: / Line 49: @@
 {{tankMobility|abMinHp=256|rbMinHp=146}}
 The top speed of the {{PAGENAME}} is very limited at 25 km/h as it was designed as an infantry tank. This speed can only be reached after accelerating on flat, hard ground for quite a long while. Any hill or imperfect road condition will reduce the speed to around 20 km/h which is only comparable to heavy tanks like [[B1 bis|B1]]. Medium counterparts such as [[Pz.IV E]] and [[Strv m/41 S-I|Strv m/41]] will easily overtake you on any terrain. The speed drops significantly when turning on the move.
 The hull traverse speed is awful especially when stock: the tank must move forward or backward a bit in order to really turn the hull. The reverse speed might be the slowest in game, at only -2 km/h (in line with British tanks). This of course will not let you get out of any danger quickly, and you will either be saved by your armour, small size, or you will be destroyed. Overall, the low speed, slow acceleration, poor traverse and reverse all make the Valentine XI bad at getting to places, repositioning, or escaping in time, greatly limiting its flexibility on the battlefield. Due to this it is recommended to use the {{PAGENAME}} for slow advances on an enemy location, or  hull down where you do not need to rely on your mobility.

@@ Line 11: / Line 11: @@
 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was released along with the initial British tree line in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a British infantry tank. Its developemet started as private venture of Vickers-Armstrong in 1938 based on experience with A9, A10 and A11 cruiser and infantry tank designs. The War Office initially wasn´t satisfied with only a two-man turret as they´ve opted for a three-man one so the commander would not become overwhelmed with tasks during battle. With situation in Europe worsening, the design was approved in April 1939 and first deliveries were made in May 1940.
 == General info ==

@@ Line 96: / Line 96: @@
 * The M48 HE is not as effective, as it lacks enough explosive filler to damage a tank with overpressure, and most players will also not have the time to switch ammo just to shoot at lightly armoured targets. However if they do, this HE can deal considerable shrapnel damage to unprotected vehicles like the [[GAZ-MM (72-K)|GAZ-MM 72-K]].
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:OQF Mk.V (75 mm)/Ammunition|M72 shot, M61 shot, M48 shell, M89}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

@@ Line 267: / Line 267: @@
 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_valentine_mk_11 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|AyHrqzC-3ng|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''|iTdclDWLd2w|'''{{PAGENAME}}, British Tier-2, Medium Tank''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''|xIrVVhdC9ac|'''Tank Chats #11 Valentine''' - ''The Tank Museum''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|iTdclDWLd2w|'''{{PAGENAME}}, British Tier-2, Medium Tank''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''|xIrVVhdC9ac|'''Tank Chats #11 Valentine''' - ''The Tank Museum''}}
 == See also ==

@@ Line 203: / Line 203: @@
 The Valentine - despite its historical role as an infantry tank - holds a fine balance between offensive firepower and defensive armour, leaving something to be desired for mobility. The Valentine is defended by a reasonably-effective armour setup, with a strong armour setup in the turret. But, the armour around the chassis is lacking. It's reasonably well-sloped, and angling can greatly increase its protective capabilities. The lower glacis is small, but particularly poorly protected. This means that a hull-down playstyle can be very effective in this vehicle, since it hides the tank's weak spots while only exposing the stronger turret armour. This is also more easily accomplished due to the vehicle's small size.
-Such a passive playstyle is also helped by the tank's cannon. It does good damage, and has a reasonable reload rate. However, it does not have access to AP/T shells, so knock-outs by a single shot are rare, unless you know where to shoot. Again, this bodes poorly for close-up one on one combat. At range, on the other hand, the gun can focus on gradually destroying key components in enemy vehicles while retaining its good penetration values. Finally, the tank's small profile makes it even harder to hit at long range, and the weak spots in particular are very hard to hit accurately.
+Such a passive playstyle is also helped by the tank's cannon. It does good damage, and has a reasonable reload rate. However, it does not have access to APHE shells, so knock-outs by a single shot are rare, unless you know where to shoot. Again, this bodes poorly for close-up one on one combat. At range, on the other hand, the gun can focus on gradually destroying key components in enemy vehicles while retaining its good penetration values. Finally, the tank's small profile makes it even harder to hit at long range, and the weak spots in particular are very hard to hit accurately.
 Of course, a long-range sniping playstyle isn't the end all and be all for this tank. It is certainly possible to fight closer to the enemy. When doing this, it is important to keep three things in mind. Firstly, since the gun usually won't kill enemy tanks in one shot, focus on disabling the enemy's gun, mobility or both before aiming for anything else. This will give the player time to destroy the enemy without worrying about return fire. Secondly, this vehicle only has three crew members; it is very likely that a penetrating shell will destroy the vehicle outright. Therefore, be cautious of exposing this tank in areas without cover, and when there are few teammates nearby. Lastly, like many British tanks, the Valentine has poor mobility. It is often too slow to flank around the enemy, and its slow top speed can leave it stuck in messy situations with no way out. The tank's reverse speed is especially lacking--be sure that the way is clear before advancing, or else you may find yourself coming under fire with no way out.

@@ Line 192: / Line 192: @@
 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 |-
-| Coaxial || 1,574 (225) || 600 || N/A || N/A
+| Coaxial || 1,575 (225) || 600 || N/A || N/A
 |-
 |}

@@ Line 18: / Line 18: @@
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
-Rank 1 guns will have difficulty penetrating this tank because their penetration is generally around 60 mm or below, and the {{PAGENAME}}'s frontal armour is 60-65mm. Sometimes vehicles with a larger calibre gun (eg. [[Na-To]], [[Marder III H]]) will make short work of this tank because of their high penetration for their battle rating via turret, flat plates or with overpressure. The hull side of the Valentine XI is also reduced to 50 mm comparing to the Valentine I's 60 mm, which worsens its protection against vehicles with penetration values between 50-60mm, for example [[Chi-Ha (Family)|Chi-Ha]] and [[Pz.35(t)]]. This leads to the Valentine XI's armour only being effective against low rank tanks and some SPAAs when facing the enemy flat. The Valentine's crew is also low in number (3) and closely sat, reducing its survivability further more against all penetrating shots, especially those in the turret which can immediately kill 2/3 crew members. The Valentine XI does have access to 2 smoke grenade launchers (launched, so use them to conceal yourself if your armour seems to not hold up.
+Rank 1 guns will have difficulty penetrating this tank because their penetration is generally around 60 mm or below, and the {{PAGENAME}}'s frontal armour is 60-65 mm. Sometimes vehicles with a larger calibre gun (e.g. [[Na-To]], [[Marder III H]]) will make short work of this tank because of their high penetration for their battle rating via turret, flat plates or with overpressure. The hull side of the Valentine XI is also reduced to 50 mm comparing to the Valentine I's 60 mm, which worsens its protection against vehicles with penetration values between 50 and 60 mm, for example [[Chi-Ha (Family)|Chi-Ha]] and [[Pz.35(t)]]. This leads to the Valentine XI's armour only being effective against low rank tanks and some SPAAs when facing the enemy flat. The Valentine's crew is also low in number (3) and closely sat, reducing its survivability further more against all penetrating shots, especially those in the turret which can immediately kill 2/3 crew members. The Valentine XI does have access to 2 smoke grenade launchers (launched, so use them to conceal yourself if your armour seems to not hold up.
-When facing the  {{PAGENAME}} in battle if in possession of a gun unable to penetrate the {{PAGENAME}} from the front, flanking around to the sides or rear could also work. Once towards the {{PAGENAME}}'s rear, repeat this process by running circles around this vehicle and setting it on fire repeatedly until it burns down, especially since the turret is well armoured all around with 60mm minimum.
+When facing the  {{PAGENAME}} in battle if in possession of a gun unable to penetrate the {{PAGENAME}} from the front, flanking around to the sides or rear could also work. Once towards the {{PAGENAME}}'s rear, repeat this process by running circles around this vehicle and setting it on fire repeatedly until it burns down, especially since the turret is well armoured all around with 60 mm minimum.
 '''Armour type:'''
@@ Line 69: / Line 69: @@
 <!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
-The Valentine XI is armed with a 75mm OQF Mk.V cannon. The cannon has an adequate reload speed of ~6 seconds which is on par with most guns of this calibre. This is slower than the Valentine I's 3-second reload as we've moved from a 40mm cannon to a 75mm one, so the player must get used to disabling if not destroying the target with a single shot, which will be easier as the gun is very accurate. The gun has a good gun depression of -12° which means the Valentine XI can fight in most uneven environments. The turret rotation of ~12°/s is average, allowing the Valentine XI to target opponents in time, but not really fast enough to quickly respond to agile flankers. This tank loses the horizontal shoulder stabiliser of the Valentine I, meaning that it must fully stop and wait for the gun to stop wobbling prior to shooting, which delays the shot and may or may not be fatal. This is moderately remedied by the good suspension, but requires the player to have better situational awareness in order to stabilise the cannon in time.
+The Valentine XI is armed with a 75 mm OQF Mk.V cannon. The cannon has an adequate reload speed of ~6 seconds which is on par with most guns of this calibre. This is slower than the Valentine I's 3-second reload as we've moved from a 40 mm cannon to a 75 mm one, so the player must get used to disabling if not destroying the target with a single shot, which will be easier as the gun is very accurate. The gun has a good gun depression of -12° which means the Valentine XI can fight in most uneven environments. The turret rotation of ~12°/s is average, allowing the Valentine XI to target opponents in time, but not really fast enough to quickly respond to agile flankers. This tank loses the horizontal shoulder stabiliser of the Valentine I, meaning that it must fully stop and wait for the gun to stop wobbling prior to shooting, which delays the shot and may or may not be fatal. This is moderately remedied by the good suspension, but requires the player to have better situational awareness in order to stabilise the cannon in time.
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
@@ Line 88: / Line 88: @@
 ==== Ammunition ====
-The 75 mm OQF Mk.V behaves quite similarly to the American 75mm M3 cannon, and they use the same ammo too.
+The 75 mm OQF Mk.V behaves quite similarly to the American 75 mm M3 cannon, and they use the same ammo too.
-* The stock M72 AP is a solid shot with average penetration (~90mm) and velocity, being able to frontally penetrate most opponents. Its shrapnel can often knock out all crew in cramped tanks, for example [[T-80]], but not necessarily spacious ones like the [[M3 Lee]].
+* The stock M72 AP is a solid shot with average penetration (~90 mm) and velocity, being able to frontally penetrate most opponents. Its shrapnel can often knock out all crew in cramped tanks, for example [[T-80]], but not necessarily spacious ones like the [[M3 Lee]].
-* The M61 is an APCBC with better penetration (~100mm). This makes it the first choice ammo of the Valentine XI.
+* The M61 is an APCBC with better penetration (~100 mm). This makes it the first choice ammo of the Valentine XI.
 * The M48 HE is not as effective, as it lacks enough explosive filler to damage a tank with overpressure, and most players will also not have the time to switch ammo just to shoot at lightly armoured targets. However if they do, this HE can deal considerable shrapnel damage to unprotected vehicles like the [[GAZ-MM (72-K)|GAZ-MM 72-K]].
@@ Line 203: / Line 203: @@
 The Valentine - despite its historical role as an infantry tank - holds a fine balance between offensive firepower and defensive armour, leaving something to be desired for mobility. The Valentine is defended by a reasonably-effective armour setup, with a strong armour setup in the turret. But, the armour around the chassis is lacking. It's reasonably well-sloped, and angling can greatly increase its protective capabilities. The lower glacis is small, but particularly poorly protected. This means that a hull-down playstyle can be very effective in this vehicle, since it hides the tank's weak spots while only exposing the stronger turret armour. This is also more easily accomplished due to the vehicle's small size.
-Such a passive playstyle is also helped by the tank's cannon. It does good damage, and has a reasonable reload rate. However, it does not have access to AP shells, so one-shot kills are rare, unless you know where to shoot. Again, this bodes poorly for close-up one on one combat. At range, on the other hand, the gun can focus on gradually destroying key components in enemy vehicles while retaining its good penetration values. Finally, the tank's small profile makes it even harder to hit at long range, and the weakspots in particular are very hard to hit accurately.
+Such a passive playstyle is also helped by the tank's cannon. It does good damage, and has a reasonable reload rate. However, it does not have access to AP shells, so knock-outs by a single shot are rare, unless you know where to shoot. Again, this bodes poorly for close-up one on one combat. At range, on the other hand, the gun can focus on gradually destroying key components in enemy vehicles while retaining its good penetration values. Finally, the tank's small profile makes it even harder to hit at long range, and the weak spots in particular are very hard to hit accurately.
 Of course, a long-range sniping playstyle isn't the end all and be all for this tank. It is certainly possible to fight closer to the enemy. When doing this, it is important to keep three things in mind. Firstly, since the gun usually won't kill enemy tanks in one shot, focus on disabling the enemy's gun, mobility or both before aiming for anything else. This will give the player time to destroy the enemy without worrying about return fire. Secondly, this vehicle only has three crew members; it is very likely that a penetrating shell will destroy the vehicle outright. Therefore, be cautious of exposing this tank in areas without cover, and when there are few teammates nearby. Lastly, like many British tanks, the Valentine has poor mobility. It is often too slow to flank around the enemy, and its slow top speed can leave it stuck in messy situations with no way out. The tank's reverse speed is especially lacking--be sure that the way is clear before advancing, or else you may find yourself coming under fire with no way out.
@@ Line 210: / Line 210: @@
 * [[ZiS-30]]: This is a deadly Soviet machine. Despite the small chassis, it carries a deadly 57mm cannon with a penetration of around 140 mm, which is more than enough to pierce the Valentine XI's armour at any distance. It is also quite narrow and short, so it is difficult to spot especially when camouflaged. Therefore, its great gun and unnoticeable size will usually be used to their advantage. If it's planning an ambush, unfortunately there's no way to detect it unless it shoots first and reveals its location. Once it has been spotted, aim for these two main areas: if it's facing you, shoot at the right side of its gun mantlet to deactivate its gunner; if you are outside its horizontal gun traverse range, target the frontal hull to disable its driver or transmission so it cannot turn the hull around to aim at you.
-* [[T-34 (Family)|T-34]]: The Valentine will start seeing more advanced tanks like the T-34. The T-34 has superior speed and agility, well-sloped armour, and great firepower, resulting in it being able to control the fight and destroy the Valentine easily. But with an upgraded 75 mm gun, the Valentine XI is able to fight back. Aim at the T-34's unsloped areas on its turret front to knock out its turret crew. Do not shoot its hull unless you are facing the armour perpendicularly and up close (<500m). If fighting in uneven terrain, make sure to utilise your great gun depression and hull down. The T-34 has bad gun depression and thus cannot perform as good in hilly environments.
+* [[T-34 (Family)|T-34]]: The Valentine will start seeing more advanced tanks like the T-34. The T-34 has superior speed and agility, well-sloped armour, and great firepower, resulting in it being able to control the fight and destroy the Valentine easily. But with an upgraded 75 mm gun, the Valentine XI is able to fight back. Aim at the T-34's unsloped areas on its turret front to knock out its turret crew. Do not shoot its hull unless you are facing the armour perpendicularly and up close (<500 m). If fighting in uneven terrain, make sure to utilise your great gun depression and hull down. The T-34 has bad gun depression and thus cannot perform as good in hilly environments.
 === Pros and cons ===
@@ Line 217: / Line 217: @@
 '''Pros:'''
-* Powerful 75mm gun with fast reload, deadly and accurate shells
+* Powerful 75 mm gun with fast reload, deadly and accurate shells
 * Strong armour against low rank tanks like [[Pz.38(t) A|Pz.38(t)]], and against mid-rank rank [[Pz.III J|Pz.IIIs]] when angled
 * Rear-mounted transmission and engine will not get destroyed easily, keeping the Valentine mobile
 * Great -12° gun depression, useful on uneven maps
-* Small size making weakspots difficult to hit.
+* Small size making weak spots difficult to hit
 '''Cons:'''
@@ Line 227: / Line 227: @@
 * Small three man crew will get knocked out easily
 * Quite slow, can't relocate quickly
-* Loses the vertical stabiliser. Targeting will take longer compared to [[Valentine I]]
+* Loses the vertical stabiliser. Targeting will take longer compared to the [[Valentine I]]
 == History ==
@@ Line 252: / Line 252: @@
 ===Combat usage===
-The Valentine mostly saw service in the North African Campaign, where the crew reported on it very favourably as a reliable and well-protected tank. The first unit who saw action with the Valentine was the 8th Royal Tank Regiment in Operation Crusader, where it was in the process of replacing the [[Matilda Mk II|Matilda II]]. The reliability is expressed when some Valentine were reported to have travelled a distance of 4,800 kilometers by the time the British reached Tunisia. The Valentine tanks soon saw wide-spread use by mid-1941 when they were issued out widely to armoured regiments due to the lack of cruiser tanks available to fill in the ranks.
+The Valentine mostly saw service in the North African Campaign, where the crew reported on it very favourably as a reliable and well-protected tank. The first unit who saw action with the Valentine was the 8th Royal Tank Regiment in Operation Crusader, where it was in the process of replacing the [[Matilda Mk II|Matilda II]]. The reliability is expressed when some Valentine were reported to have travelled a distance of 4,800 km by the time the British reached Tunisia. The Valentine tanks soon saw wide-spread use by mid-1941 when they were issued out widely to armoured regiments due to the lack of cruiser tanks available to fill in the ranks.
 However, the biggest weakness of the Valentine tank is the lack of high-explosive rounds for the 2-pounder, a weakness suffered by every other tank using the 2-pounder. This and the 2-pounder's growing deficiency against tank armour was remedied by the usage of the 6-pounder on the Valentine after the Mark VIII version, and then the QF 75 mm gun. However, these larger guns were harder to mount on the small Valentine turret and made for a cramped interior, even removing the established loader's position made in an enlarge turret for the 2-pounder. By the time these larger guns were introduced for the tank, better tanks were being introduced, such as the [[Churchill Mk III|Churchill heavy tanks]] from Britain and the [[M4|M4 Shermans]] from the Americans. Despite the better tanks, the Valentine's low height is able to exploit small cover on the battlefield and take up a good hull-down position behind hills.