Valentine IX - Revision history

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-Flat on the Valentine's hull is pretty weak, it consists mainly of a flat 60 mm front plate, with an even weaker driver's vision port, so even Rank I guns can punch through there. The sides are 50 mm thick, so angling can be effectively done. The turret is a lot better, featuring both 60 mm turret cheeks sloped forwards, there is still a breach weak spot, where the armour is flat, the sides of the turret are still pretty strong at 60 mm but flat, however turret angling should not be done as it will normalize the cheeks.
+Flat on the Valentine's hull is pretty weak, it consists mainly of a flat 60 mm front plate, with an even weaker driver's vision port, so even Rank I guns can punch through there. The sides are 50 mm thick, so angling can be effectively done. The turret is a lot better, featuring both 60 mm turret cheeks sloped forwards, there is still a breech weak spot, where the armour is flat, the sides of the turret are still pretty strong at 60 mm but flat, however turret angling should not be done as it will normalize the cheeks.
 As for post-pen survivability it is fairly poor, as there is only three crewmates, a driver in the hull, a gunner and a loader in the turret, so a hull pen will practically always result in a one shot, a turret armour breach might knock out only one of the turret crew, but can one shot as well.

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 * Shell Mk.10: this HE has too little explosive filler to actually damage anything except non-armoured targets like [[GAZ-MM (72-K)|GAZ]] trucks. Even the thin armour of a [[Sd.Kfz.251 (Family)|Sd.Kfz 251]] has some chance to protect its crew against this HE shell. Thus it is not very recommended to bring this ammo into battles.
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+{{:6pdr OQF Mk.III (57 mm)/Ammunition|Shot Mk.5, Shot Mk.5 HV, Shot Mk.8, Shot Mk.9, Shell Mk.10}}
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_valentine_mk_9 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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-{{Youtube-gallery|qfY_erhfnog|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''|xIrVVhdC9ac|'''Tank Chats #11 Valentine''' - ''The Tank Museum''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|xIrVVhdC9ac|'''Tank Chats #11 Valentine''' - ''The Tank Museum''}}
 == See also ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced along with the initial British tree line in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]].
-At its BR, the Valentine's protection starts to let it down a bit, uptiers can bring guns powerful enough to cut through the Valentine's armour anywhere. Still, the protection is fairly good, especialy on the turret cheeks but the hull is somewhat weaker. Mobility is poor. However the Mark. IX sports the formidable 6-pounder gun, which can reliably get through the armour of many vehicles. The Valentine's small profile also allows it to be "sneaky".
+At its BR, the Valentine's protection starts to let it down a bit, uptiers can bring guns powerful enough to cut through the Valentine's armour anywhere. Still, the protection is fairly good, especially on the turret cheeks but the hull is somewhat weaker. Mobility is poor. However the Mark. IX sports the formidable 6-pounder gun, which can reliably get through the armour of many vehicles. The Valentine's small profile also allows it to be "sneaky".
 == General info ==
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-Flat on the Valentine's hull is pretty weak, it consists mainly of a flat 60mm front plate, with an even weaker driver's vision port, so even Rank I guns can punch through there. The sides are 50mm thick, so angling can be effectively done. The turret is a lot better, featuring both 60mm  turret cheeks sloped  forwards, there is still a breach weakspot, where the armour is flat, the sides of the turret are still pretty strong at 60mm but flat, however turret angling should not be done as it will normalize the cheeks.
+Flat on the Valentine's hull is pretty weak, it consists mainly of a flat 60 mm front plate, with an even weaker driver's vision port, so even Rank I guns can punch through there. The sides are 50 mm thick, so angling can be effectively done. The turret is a lot better, featuring both 60 mm turret cheeks sloped forwards, there is still a breach weak spot, where the armour is flat, the sides of the turret are still pretty strong at 60 mm but flat, however turret angling should not be done as it will normalize the cheeks.
-As for post-pen survivabilty it is fairly poor, as there is only three crewmates, a driver in the hull, a gunner and a loader in the turret, so a hull pen will practicaly always result in a one shot, a turret armour breach might knock out only one of the turret crew, but can one shot as well.
+As for post-pen survivability it is fairly poor, as there is only three crewmates, a driver in the hull, a gunner and a loader in the turret, so a hull pen will practically always result in a one shot, a turret armour breach might knock out only one of the turret crew, but can one shot as well.
 The Valentine gets 2 smoke grenades, but for some reason they launch together and don't create a particularly impressive smoke screen.
 '''Note:'''
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 === Modifications and economy ===
 Suggested research order:
 # Parts & FPE: being able to repair and extinguish a fire is always important on the battlefield.
 # Others, such as firepower modifications.
 # The shells can be the last ones, since the stock Shot Mk.5 AP has reasonable penetration and spalling, and is enough to deal with most opponents.
 == Armaments ==
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 === Main armament ===
-The Valentine IX is armed with a 57mm 6pdr OQF Mk.III cannon. Similar to some previous British tanks, this cannon has a quick reload for its caliber of ~4.5 seconds which allows the player to fire more shots if the first round didn't disable or destroy the target. This gun provides rather flat projectile trajecotries which is good for beginners to aim at longer ranges (>600m).
+{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}
 The gun depression is great, at -12° it will be able to suit most mountainous maps. The turret rotation speed of ~13° is very average: it is fast enough to swivel towards the target if the target is not far away from where the gun is pointing at, but too slow to quickly respond to anything that's far from the gun's direction.
-Like the previous Valentine XI, the IX model does not have access to a gun stabiliser so tactics like CQC may not be as smooth as before.{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}
+Like the previous Valentine XI, the IX model does not have access to a gun stabiliser so tactics like CQC may not be as smooth as before.
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 ==== Ammunition ====
-* Shot Mk.5: the default AP has an average penetration of ~100mm which is enough to frontally penetrate the great majority of light, medium tanks, and SPGs (eg. [[Sd.Kfz.234/2|Sd.Kfz 234/2]], [[M4A1]], [[SU-85]]) the Valentine IX will face. The shrapnel is reasonable, being able to damage anything in its path, or anything around the path if the point of penetration is far enough for the shrapnel to spread out. However this shell will struggle against heavy tanks like [[KV-1 (L-11)]] especially when they are angling and/or at a distance.
+* Shot Mk.5 HV and Shot Mk.8: these shells provide a few milimetres more penetrations over the default AP, and a faster velocity. The slightly better penetration gives limited improvement against mildly armoured targets like [[M4A4 (China)|M4A4]]. Therefore these shells are placeholders just leading up to the best round.
-* Shot Mk.5 HV and Shot Mk.8: these shells  provide a few milimeters more penetrations over the default AP, and a faster velocity. The slightly better penetration gives limited improvement against mediumly armoured targets like [[M4A4 (China)|M4A4]]. Therefore these shells are placeholders just leading up to the best round.
+* Shot Mk.9: this APCBC should be the primary ammo choice for Valentine IX tankers thanks to its great penetration of ~120 mm and slightly improved ricochet angles. Now the Valentine IX is able to penetrate not only normally armoured targets, but also heavy tanks with relative ease. This shell can go through the weak spots of almost all tanks the Valentine IX will ever face.
 * Shell Mk.10: this HE has too little explosive filler to actually damage anything except non-armoured targets like [[GAZ-MM (72-K)|GAZ]] trucks. Even the thin armour of a [[Sd.Kfz.251 (Family)|Sd.Kfz 251]] has some chance to protect its crew against this HE shell. Thus it is not very recommended to bring this ammo into battles.
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 ==== Optics ====
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 '''Notable Enemies:'''
-* [[T-34 (Family)|T-34]]: the T-34 is commonly used and can be difficult to kill when using the Valentine IX because the 6 pounder gun struggles against angled armour. Against the T-34, shoot for the turret or machine gun port. Avoid the hull (if angling) and the heavily curved areas of its spherical gun mantlet which can very likely result in bounces.
+* [[T-34 (Family)|T-34]]: the T-34 is commonly used and can be difficult to kill when using the Valentine IX because the 6-pounder gun struggles against angled armour. Against the T-34, shoot for the turret or machine gun port. Avoid the hull (if angling) and the heavily curved areas of its spherical gun mantlet which can very likely result in bounces.
-* Pz.IV F2/G: the Panzer IV F2 and Panzer IV G will make short work of the Valentine, regardless of armour angling, since they have a powerful long 75mm cannon with ~130mm of penetration. This level of firepower is more than enough to penetrate the armour of the Valentine IX even when angling. Against a Panzer IV F2 or G, just make sure you shoot first. If it's facing you, target the right side of the turret to disable its gunner. If it's facing elsewhere, you can break its engine or driver to pin it down, then finish it with quick follow-up shots.
+* [[Pz.IV F2]]/[[Pz.IV G|G]]: the Panzer IV F2 and Panzer IV G will make short work of the Valentine, regardless of armour angling, since they have a powerful long 75 mm cannon with ~130 mm of penetration. This level of firepower is more than enough to penetrate the armour of the Valentine IX even when angling. Against a Panzer IV F2 or G, just make sure you shoot first. If it's facing you, target the right side of the turret to disable its gunner. If it's facing elsewhere, you can break its engine or driver to pin it down, then finish it with quick follow-up shots.
 '''Differences AB vs RB:'''
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 '''Pros:'''
-* 57 mm gun has decent penetration (~110mm)
+* 57 mm gun has decent penetration (~110 mm)
 * Upper glacis and turret are angled, can bounce a few shots
 * Low profile allows it to hide behind some obstacles

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 '''Pros:'''
-* 57 mm gun has decent penetration
+* 57 mm gun has decent penetration (~110mm)
-* Upper glacis is sloped, can bounce a few shots
+* Upper glacis and turret are angled, can bounce a few shots
-* Low profile allows it to hide behind obstacles
+* Low profile allows it to hide behind some obstacles
-* Decent stock shells
+* Decent stock shell
 * Fast reload speed
 '''Cons:'''
-* No machine gun
+* No machine gun, awkward to deal with truck-based vehicles like [[GAZ-MM (72-K)]]
-* Hull armour is unchanged from Valentine I, much less effective now due to increased BR.
+* Hull armour is unchanged from Valentine I, much less effective against better tanks like [[M4A1]]
-* Slow top speed (22 km/h)
+* Substandard mobility, with low top speed, slow hull traverse, and awful reverse
 * No explosive filler in shells
 * Only 3 crew members (crew can be knocked out very easily)