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U44629479: /* Ammunition */ Edits

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‎Ammunition: Edits

U2767883: /* Ammo racks */ Changed outdated ammo rack info. And yes, the 2nd rack empties at 0 shells, as little sense as that makes.

2024-05-13T04:53:12Z

‎Ammo racks: Changed outdated ammo rack info. And yes, the 2nd rack empties at 0 shells, as little sense as that makes.

U143475368 at 04:24, 30 July 2023

2023-07-30T04:24:09Z

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-21T18:48:14Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U44629479: /* Media */ Removed dead video

2023-01-11T17:39:59Z

‎Media: Removed dead video

U38088265: /* Machine guns */

2022-08-27T14:05:39Z

‎Machine guns

U9202753: New specs-card image

2022-02-15T23:33:56Z

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U75945355: /* Usage in battles */

2021-12-18T06:35:04Z

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
-[[File:Ammoracks Valentine I.png|thumb|295x295px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]<!-- '''Last updated:''' -->
+[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
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-| '''61''' ||53 ''(+8)''||0 ''(+61)''|| Yes
+| '''61''' || 53&nbsp;''(+8)'' || 0&nbsp;''(+61)'' || Yes
 |-
 |}
 '''Notes''':
 * The large ring of ammunition is present until all rounds are expended, so there is little reason not to take full ammo.

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
-[[File:Ammoracks_ValentineMkI.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
+[[File:Ammoracks Valentine I.png|thumb|295x295px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]<!-- '''Last updated:''' -->
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
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-| '''61''' || 31&nbsp;''(+30)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+60)'' || Yes
+| '''61''' ||53 ''(+8)''||0 ''(+61)''|| Yes
 |-
 |}
 '''Notes''':
-* Pack 31&nbsp;''(+30)'' shells to remove the large ring of ammunition.
+* The large ring of ammunition is present until all rounds are expended, so there is little reason not to take full ammo.
 ==== [[Optics]] ====

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 Suggested research order:
 # Parts can be researched first as the Valentine will often get shot and damaged without dying too soon, so it is important to repair damaged components and rejoin the fight;
 # Tracks improve the Valentine I's terrible stock hull traverse speed;
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The Valentine Mk.1 is a bit of a hit or miss due to its relatively high BR: when uptiered, it plays like a British heavy tank, using its raw armour value to soak up shots. Having that much armour when matched against low-ranked tanks also means that the Valentine can take its time to aim at the weak spots/vital modules of the enemy. Otherwise, it plays like a pretty slow medium tank and should avoid the front lines since its cannon do so little damage.
+The Valentine Mk.1 is a bit of a hit or miss due to its relatively high BR: when downtiered, it plays like a British heavy tank, using its raw armour value to soak up shots. Having that much armour when matched against low-ranked tanks also means that the Valentine can take its time to aim at the weak spots/vital modules of the enemy. Otherwise, it plays like a pretty slow medium tank and should avoid the front lines since its cannon do so little damage.
 The Valentine I is a team player, relying on its allies to provide damage while dragging attention from the enemy. It is a situational vehicle, its gameplay depends much on what it faces.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_valentine_mk_1 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 * '''Shot Mk.1 AP/T; AP''' and Shot '''Mk.1 APHV/T; AP''': the 2 remaining shells are not very useful as they don't offer anything better. Not recommended to bring any once you gain access to the previous 2 shells.
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:QF 2-pounder (40 mm)/Ammunition|Shot Mk.1 AP/T, Shot Mk.IXB APCBC/T, Shot Mk.1 APHV/T, Shell Mk.1 AP/T}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_valentine_mk_1 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|4_cJ1CpEatw|'''Best gun depression''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 2:01 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|k_PBJS8OPLo|'''Valentine Mk. I Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''|xIrVVhdC9ac|'''Tank Chats #11 Valentine''' - ''The Tank Museum''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|4_cJ1CpEatw|'''Best gun depression''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 2:01 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|xIrVVhdC9ac|'''Tank Chats #11 Valentine''' - ''The Tank Museum''}}
 == See also ==

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 * '''Shell Mk.1 AP/T; APHE''': due to the uparmoured targets the Valentine I will be facing, the explosive APHE might no longer be the most effective, as its penetration of 66 mm at most will struggle to go through common tanks' frontal armour (e.g. [[M3 Lee]], [[T-80]], [[StuG III A]]). However against lightly armoured tanks (e.g. [[Sd.Kfz.234/2]], [[SU-76M]], [[Pz.IV F1]]) the APHE will still be handy.
 * '''Shot Mk.IXB APCBC/T; APCBC''': this APCBC shell with 89 mm maximum penetration will be more useful, though it loses the ability to hurt/knock out crew that are not in its path. This prepares you for the classic British playstyle though, which is about knocking out crew one by one with high precision and penetration, rather than knocking out everyone with a single shot.
-* '''Shot Mk.1 AP/T; AP''' and Shot '''Mk.1 APHV/T; AP''': the 2 remaining shells are not very useful as they don't offer anything better. Not recommended to bring any once you gain access to the previous 2 shells.
+* '''Shot Mk.1 AP/T; AP''' and Shot '''Mk.1 APHV/T; AP''': the 2 remaining shells are not very useful as they don't offer anything better. Not recommended to bring any once you gain access to the previous 2 shells.
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 <!-- ''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.'' -->
 {{main|BESA (7.92 mm)}}
 The Valentine I is equipped with a coaxial 7.92 mm BESA machine gun. It has large ammo capacity of 225 rounds per belt. Its rate of fire of 600 rounds/min is quite fast which is good for wiping out the crew of open vehicles when catching them from their side/rear, like [[ZiS-30]], [[Sd.Kfz. 6/2]], [[Chi-Ha LG]], etc. This can sometimes save you by eliminating their gunner if you encounter them. This MG can also destroy map obstacles like fences to clear a path. But that's about it, its low penetration of only 13 mm cannot go through even sheet metal armour found on vehicles like [[Marder III]] and [[Flakpanzer 38]].
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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-| Coaxial || 3,500 (225) || 600 || N/A || N/A
+| Coaxial || 3,600 (225) || 600 || N/A || N/A
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 === Enemies worth noting ===
-* [[ZiS-30]]: this is a small but deadly Soviet tank destroyer. It carries a long 57 mm cannon with ~140 mm penetration which is more than enough to go through the armour of Valentine I at any range. It is also very narrow and short, making it very hard to spot especially when camouflaged. Its great firepower and concealment will thus be constantly used to its advantage. If it sets up an ambush, then unfortunately there is no way to detect it unless it fires at someone else and exposes its location. When it is revealed, target these 2 main areas: if it's facing you, shoot the right side of the fighting compartment to disable its gunner; if it's facing away, shoot the frontal hull to disable its driver or transmission so it cannot traverse the hull to aim at you. A ZiS-30 on the move is also very vulnerable, because if it wants to stop and shoot you it will experience a ~3-second gun wobbling before being able to fire, as its centre of mass is high, making it shaky.
+* [[ZiS-30]]: this is a small but deadly Soviet tank destroyer. It carries a long 57 mm cannon with ~140 mm penetration which is more than enough to go through the armour of Valentine I at any range. It is also very narrow and short, making it very hard to spot especially when camouflaged. Its great firepower and concealment will thus be constantly used to its advantage. If it sets up an ambush, then unfortunately there is no way to detect it unless it fires at someone else and exposes its location. When it is revealed, target these 2 main areas: if it's facing you, shoot the right side of the fighting compartment to disable its gunner; if it's facing away, shoot the frontal hull to disable its driver or transmission so it cannot traverse the hull to aim at you. A ZiS-30 on the move is also very vulnerable, because if it wants to stop and shoot you it will experience a ~3-second gun wobbling before being able to fire, as its centre of mass is high, making it shaky.
-* [[Ka-Chi]]: this is an amphibious Japanese medium tank with the option of mounting huge pontoons at the front and back of the hull. With the pontoons attached, it resembles a boat. The pontoons act as effective spaced armour and can absorb plenty of kinetic and chemical ammunition around this BR, including the Valentine I's 40 mm shells, meaning the Ka-Chi's hull is impenetrable. The turret is 50-25 mm which can be penetrated although it is smaller. The turret top has a tall copula that seems like a weak spot but it is not, as there is nothing inside. Without the pontoons, the hull front is 50 mm and is penetrable when not angling. The Ka-Chi's 47 mm cannon will penetrate Valentine I's armour perpendicularly, but not when you are angling. Though it can still go through your gun mantlet.
+* [[Ka-Chi]]: this is an amphibious Japanese medium tank with the option of mounting huge pontoons at the front and back of the hull. With the pontoons attached, it resembles a boat. The pontoons act as effective spaced armour and can absorb plenty of kinetic and chemical ammunition around this BR, including the Valentine I's 40 mm shells, meaning the Ka-Chi's hull is impenetrable. The turret is 50-25 mm which can be penetrated although it is smaller. The turret top has a tall copula that seems like a weak spot but it is not, as there is nothing inside. Without the pontoons, the hull front is 50 mm and is penetrable when not angling. The Ka-Chi's 47 mm cannon will penetrate Valentine I's armour perpendicularly, but not when you are angling. Though it can still go through your gun mantlet.
 === Against the Valentine I ===
 * '''Light tanks & SPAAs''': against the Valentine I, light vehicles must utilise their superior manoeuvrability to get as close as possible, and be in an appropriate location to target certain areas on the Valentine. Most light tanks have over 65 mm of penetration at 10 m, thus a good tactic is to manoeuvre to point blank range or at least within 100 m from the Valentine. Then, either wait until the Valentine turns its hull or turret so that an area is perpendicular to you, or reposition to a spot that counters its angling. Its hull and turret armour are ~60 mm, mostly unsloped, making it very easy for the majority of light vehicles (e.g. [[M5A1]], [[BT-7]], [[AS 42]], [[Flakpanzer 38]]) to penetrate. Do not shoot if it's angling though, its effective thickness can go way beyond the capacities of conventional firepower at this BR. If your vehicle has low penetration (e.g. [[H.35]], [[M16 MGMC]]), try breaking the Valentine's tracks or gun barrel if it is safe to do so, then pin it out on the minimap or drop an artillery strike on it.
 * '''Medium tanks''': most common medium tanks at this BR such as [[Chi-Ha Kai]], [[M3 Lee]], [[T-28]], etc have way better speed and agility than the Valentine I so flanking like a light tank can work too. But thanks to the increased armour and firepower you can now engage the Valentine I frontally with some more confidence. Angle yourself, the Valentine I's 40 mm shells are quite likely to bounce off most medium tanks like [[M3 Lee]] and [[Chi-He (Family)|Chi-He]]. Medium tanks with worse armour (e.g. [[T-28 (Family)|T-28]], [[Chi-Ha Kai]]), however, need to either angle more or remain passive. Target the Valentine's unangled armour like gun mantlet and driver's port. There is a great chance to knock out most if not all of its closely packed crew.
-* '''Heavy tanks & tank destroyers''': for heavy tank players, you can usually take hits from the Valentine especially when you are angling, hull down, far away, or using a combination of these. Its maximum penetration of 89 mm does not work well when hitting distant and/or sloped armour. Do note that if you have any weak spots (e.g. [[B1 bis|B1]]'s turret ring) you may need to be more careful as the Valentine I has a very quick reload of ~3 seconds which might hit your weak spot while you peek out thinking it is reloading. Tank destroyers can usually one-shot the Valentine I from any angle, but do avoid the Valentine's gun or even MG if you are thinly armoured. Avoid shooting at the Valentine's upper glacis and the sloped parts besides its driver's port since these areas are more likely to bounce shells.
+* '''Heavy tanks & tank destroyers''': for heavy tank players, you can usually take hits from the Valentine especially when you are angling, hull down, far away, or using a combination of these. Its maximum penetration of 89 mm does not work well when hitting distant and/or sloped armour. Do note that if you have any weak spots (e.g. [[B1 bis|B1]]'s turret ring) you may need to be more careful as the Valentine I has a very quick reload of ~3 seconds which might hit your weak spot while you peek out thinking it is reloading. Tank destroyers can usually one-shot the Valentine I from any angle, but do avoid the Valentine's gun or even MG if you are thinly armoured. Avoid shooting at the Valentine's upper glacis and the sloped parts besides its driver's port since these areas are more likely to bounce shells.
 === Pros and cons ===

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	* [[ZiS-30]]: this is a small but deadly Soviet tank destroyer. It carries a huge (well, for its size) 57mm cannon with ~140mm penetration which is more than enough to go through the armour of Valentine I at any range. It is also very narrow and short, making it very hard to spot especially when camouflaged. Its great firepower and concealment will thus be constantly used to its advantage. If it sets up an ambush, then unfortunately there is no way to detect it unless it fires at someone else and exposes its location. When it is revealed, target these 2 main areas: if it's facing you, shoot the right side of the fighting compartment to disable its gunner; if it's facing away, shoot the frontal hull to disable its driver or transmission so it cannot traverse the hull to aim at you. A ZiS-30 on the move is also very vulnerable, because if it wants to stop and shoot you it will experience a ~3 second gun wobbling before being able to fire, as its hull's centre of mass is high, making it shaky.		* [[ZiS-30]]: this is a small but deadly Soviet tank destroyer. It carries a huge (well, for its size) 57mm cannon with ~140mm penetration which is more than enough to go through the armour of Valentine I at any range. It is also very narrow and short, making it very hard to spot especially when camouflaged. Its great firepower and concealment will thus be constantly used to its advantage. If it sets up an ambush, then unfortunately there is no way to detect it unless it fires at someone else and exposes its location. When it is revealed, target these 2 main areas: if it's facing you, shoot the right side of the fighting compartment to disable its gunner; if it's facing away, shoot the frontal hull to disable its driver or transmission so it cannot traverse the hull to aim at you. A ZiS-30 on the move is also very vulnerable, because if it wants to stop and shoot you it will experience a ~3 second gun wobbling before being able to fire, as its hull's centre of mass is high, making it shaky.
		+	* [[Ka-Chi]]: this is an amphibious Japanese medium tank with the option of mounting huge pontoons at the front and back of the hull. With the pontoons attached, it resembles a boat. The pontoons act as effective spaced armour and can absorb plenty of kenetic and chemical ammunitions around this BR, including the Valentine I's 40mm shells, meaning the Ka-Chi's hull is impenetrable. The turret is 50-25mm which can be penetrated although it is smaller. The turret top has a tall copula that seems like a weakspot but it is not, as there is nothing inside. Without the pontoons, the hull front is 50mm and is penetrable when not angling. The Ka-Chi's 47mm cannon will penetrate Valentine I's armour perpendicularly, but not when you are angling. Though it can still go through your gun mantlet.

	=== Against the Valentine I: ===		=== Against the Valentine I: ===

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 '''''Use the terrain'''''<br>
 Utilizing the great gun depression of the Valentine will increase the firing effectiveness greatly in battle. Find a hill on the battle field and peak the turret over the top. The gun depression should allow for full coverage of the battle field, whilst the hill will keep the hull covered. The turret will be exposed, angled and a very hard target due to its small size and angulation. This can make the Valentine an almost immovable object on the battlefield, allowing it to pick off most targets. If any damage is taken, reverse behind the slope to recover. Be aware of flankers.
 === Against the Valentine I: ===