VL Pyörremyrsky - Revision history

U38088265: /* Description */

2024-07-26T12:20:42Z

‎Description

U97616261: /* Description */ It said ''slower'' instead of ''faster'' in the flight performance analisis ehrn refering to the p-47 and p-51, wich are both far faster

2024-07-12T21:19:56Z

‎Description: It said ''slower'' instead of ''faster'' in the flight performance analisis ehrn refering to the p-47 and p-51, wich are both far faster

U133584478: LV -> VL

2024-05-29T11:30:25Z

LV -> VL

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2024-02-18T08:50:38Z

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U120313908: /* Description */ New Description Project

2024-02-18T05:37:26Z

‎Description: New Description Project

U44629479: Undo revision 180497 by U164330064 (talk)

2024-01-19T17:46:17Z

Undo revision 180497 by U164330064 (talk)

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2024-01-19T12:43:51Z

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U91835668: /* Pros and cons */ minor corrections. The plane is faster than any Spitfire below 5.0.

2023-11-15T02:46:32Z

‎Pros and cons: minor corrections. The plane is faster than any Spitfire below 5.0.

U44629479: Edits

2023-09-13T11:58:27Z

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U82924470: /* Pros and cons */ Climb rate is average. Description claiming it can climb faster than the 109 G-2 is blatantly false; the stock G-2 climbs faster than the spaded Pyorremyrsky (source https://wiki.warthunder.com/Bf_109_G-2)

2023-08-22T17:35:57Z

‎Pros and cons: Climb rate is average. Description claiming it can climb faster than the 109 G-2 is blatantly false; the stock G-2 climbs faster than the spaded Pyorremyrsky (source https://wiki.warthunder.com/Bf_109_G-2)

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-From 1942, the superiority of the Red Army Air Force over the Finnish was becoming increasingly obvious. While 160 modern Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-2, G-6 and other versions were transferred to the Finnish Air Force by Germany between 1942 to 1944, the situation began to deteriorate among the Axis countries, and due to the increasing successes (especially from the second half of 1943) of the Allied countries, it became obvious that further deliveries of new Bf 109s as well as spare parts for them would become more and more problematic. In this situation, the command of the Finnish Air Force ordered VL to develop a fighter that was to be made of domestic materials (mainly wood and steel) with characteristics comparable to the Bf 109 G-6. Engineers T. R. Verkola, Arvo Ilinen, and Edward Vigelius proposed an aerodynamically clean low-wing aircraft equipped with a German Daimler-Benz DB 605AC, developing 1,475 hp (1,085 kW) and rotating a  three-bladed VDM propeller. In the project, the fairing of the propeller sleeve and the engine hood were borrowed from the German aircraft, which made the new Finnish aircraft, designated Pyörremyrsky (hurricane), very similar in front to the Bf 109 G.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.93 "Shark Attack"]] as a [[wt:en/news/6450-development-pyörremyrsky-the-nordic-whirlwind-en|premium pack]], but was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. It was re-introduced as a regular in-game premium for {{GE}} in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Although the Pyörremyrsky shares some design traits with the [[Bf 109 (Family)|Bf 109 series]] of German fighters, it is a completely domestic Finnish design and has significantly different flight characteristics. It has a very capable flight performance and can be considered a middle point between regular dogfighters like the Yak-3 and boom-and-zoom fighters like the Bf 109. It has a good rate of climb similar to that of the Bf 109, but its top speed and manoeuvrability are closer to that of Soviet fighters. The aircraft has a relatively small ammo pool, requiring trigger discipline to remain active throughout an entire battle. The aircraft is still outperformed by Japanese Zeros, British Spitfires, and Italian C.205s, so it is not recommended trying to dogfight these types of enemies; instead, play passively in a boom-and-zoom role and try to target slower aircraft.
 == General info ==

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 From 1942, the superiority of the Red Army Air Force over the Finnish was becoming increasingly obvious. While 160 modern Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-2, G-6 and other versions were transferred to the Finnish Air Force by Germany between 1942 to 1944, the situation began to deteriorate among the Axis countries, and due to the increasing successes (especially from the second half of 1943) of the Allied countries, it became obvious that further deliveries of new Bf 109s as well as spare parts for them would become more and more problematic. In this situation, the command of the Finnish Air Force ordered VL to develop a fighter that was to be made of domestic materials (mainly wood and steel) with characteristics comparable to the Bf 109 G-6. Engineers T. R. Verkola, Arvo Ilinen, and Edward Vigelius proposed an aerodynamically clean low-wing aircraft equipped with a German Daimler-Benz DB 605AC, developing 1,475 hp (1,085 kW) and rotating a  three-bladed VDM propeller. In the project, the fairing of the propeller sleeve and the engine hood were borrowed from the German aircraft, which made the new Finnish aircraft, designated Pyörremyrsky (hurricane), very similar in front to the Bf 109 G.
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.93 "Shark Attack"]] as a [[wt:en/news/6450-development-pyörremyrsky-the-nordic-whirlwind-en|premium pack]], but was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. It was re-introduced as a regular in-game premium for {{GE}} in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Though the Pyörremyrsky shares some design traits with the [[Bf 109 (Family)|Bf 109 series]] of German fighters, it is in fact a completely domestic Finnish design and has significantly different flight characteristics. It has a very capable flight performance and can be considered a middle point between regular dogfighters like the Yak-3 and a boom-and-zoom fighter like the Bf-109. It has a good rate of climb like the Bf-109, but its top speed and manoeuvrability is closer to that of Soviet fighters. The aircraft has a relatively small ammo pool, which means that it requires trigger discipline to remain active throughout the entire battle. The aircraft is still outperformed by Japanese Zeros, British Spitfires and Italian C.205s, so it is not recommended trying to dogfight these sort of enemies, instead, play passively in a boom-and-zoom role, and try to dogfight slower enemies like the P-47 and P-51.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.93 "Shark Attack"]] as a [[wt:en/news/6450-development-pyörremyrsky-the-nordic-whirlwind-en|premium pack]], but was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. It was re-introduced as a regular in-game premium for {{GE}} in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Though the Pyörremyrsky shares some design traits with the [[Bf 109 (Family)|Bf 109 series]] of German fighters, it is in fact a completely domestic Finnish design and has significantly different flight characteristics. It has a very capable flight performance and can be considered a middle point between regular dogfighters like the Yak-3 and a boom-and-zoom fighter like the Bf-109. It has a good rate of climb like the Bf-109, but its top speed and manoeuvrability is closer to that of Soviet fighters. The aircraft has a relatively small ammo pool, which means that it requires trigger discipline to remain active throughout the entire battle. The aircraft is still outperformed by Japanese Zeros, British Spitfires and Italian C.205s, so it is not recommended trying to dogfight these sort of enemies, instead, play passively in a boom-and-zoom role, and try to dogfight faster enemies like the P-47 and P-51.
 == General info ==

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-From 1942, the superiority of the Red Army Air Force over the Finnish was becoming increasingly obvious. While 160 modern Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-2, G-6 and other versions were transferred to the Finnish Air Force by Germany between 1942 to 1944, the situation began to deteriorate among the Axis countries, and due to the increasing successes (especially from the second half of 1943) of the Allied countries, it became obvious that further deliveries of new Bf 109s as well as spare parts for them would become more and more problematic. In this situation, the command of the Finnish Air Force ordered LV to develop a fighter that was to be made of domestic materials (mainly wood and steel) with characteristics comparable to the Bf 109 G-6. Engineers T. R. Verkola, Arvo Ilinen, and Edward Vigelius proposed an aerodynamically clean low-wing aircraft equipped with a German Daimler-Benz DB 605AC, developing 1,475 hp (1,085 kW) and rotating a  three-bladed VDM propeller. In the project, the fairing of the propeller sleeve and the engine hood were borrowed from the German aircraft, which made the new Finnish aircraft, designated Pyörremyrsky (hurricane), very similar in front to the Bf 109 G.
+From 1942, the superiority of the Red Army Air Force over the Finnish was becoming increasingly obvious. While 160 modern Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-2, G-6 and other versions were transferred to the Finnish Air Force by Germany between 1942 to 1944, the situation began to deteriorate among the Axis countries, and due to the increasing successes (especially from the second half of 1943) of the Allied countries, it became obvious that further deliveries of new Bf 109s as well as spare parts for them would become more and more problematic. In this situation, the command of the Finnish Air Force ordered VL to develop a fighter that was to be made of domestic materials (mainly wood and steel) with characteristics comparable to the Bf 109 G-6. Engineers T. R. Verkola, Arvo Ilinen, and Edward Vigelius proposed an aerodynamically clean low-wing aircraft equipped with a German Daimler-Benz DB 605AC, developing 1,475 hp (1,085 kW) and rotating a  three-bladed VDM propeller. In the project, the fairing of the propeller sleeve and the engine hood were borrowed from the German aircraft, which made the new Finnish aircraft, designated Pyörremyrsky (hurricane), very similar in front to the Bf 109 G.
 It was introduced in [[Update 1.93 "Shark Attack"]] as a [[wt:en/news/6450-development-pyörremyrsky-the-nordic-whirlwind-en|premium pack]], but was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. It was re-introduced as a regular in-game premium for {{GE}} in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Though the Pyörremyrsky shares some design traits with the [[Bf 109 (Family)|Bf 109 series]] of German fighters, it is in fact a completely domestic Finnish design and has significantly different flight characteristics. It has a very capable flight performance and can be considered a middle point between regular dogfighters like the Yak-3 and a boom-and-zoom fighter like the Bf-109. It has a good rate of climb like the Bf-109, but its top speed and manoeuvrability is closer to that of Soviet fighters. The aircraft has a relatively small ammo pool, which means that it requires trigger discipline to remain active throughout the entire battle. The aircraft is still outperformed by Japanese Zeros, British Spitfires and Italian C.205s, so it is not recommended trying to dogfight these sort of enemies, instead, play passively in a boom-and-zoom role, and try to dogfight slower enemies like the P-47 and P-51.

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 == Description ==
-<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->From 1942, the superiority of the Red Army Air Force over the Finnish was becoming increasingly obvious. While 160 modern Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-2, G-6 and other versions were transferred to the Finnish Air Force by Germany between 1942 to 1944, the situation began to deteriorate among the Axis countries, and due to the increasing successes (especially from the second half of 1943) of the countries of the Allies, it became obvious that further deliveries of new Bf 109s as well as spare parts for them would become more and more problematic. In this situation, the command of the Finnish Air Force ordered LV to develop a fighter that was to be made of domestic materials (mainly wood and steel) with characteristics comparable to the Bf 109 G-6. Engineers T. R. Verkola, Arvo Ilinen, and Edward Vigelius proposed an aerodynamically clean low-wing aircraft equipped with a German Daimler-Benz DB 605AC, developing 1,475 hp (1,085 kW) and rotating a  three-bladed VDM propeller. In the project, the fairing of the propeller sleeve and the engine hood were borrowed from the German aircraft, which made the new Finnish aircraft, designated Pyörremyrsky (hurricane), very similar in front to the Bf 109 G.
+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.93 "Shark Attack"]] as a [[wt:en/news/6450-development-pyörremyrsky-the-nordic-whirlwind-en|premium pack]], but was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. It was re-introduced as a regular in-game premium for {{GE}} in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Though the Pyörremyrsky shares some design traits with the [[Bf 109 (Family)|Bf 109 series]] of German fighters, it is in fact a completely domestic Finnish design and has significantly different flight characteristics. It has a very capable flight performance for its BR, and can be considered a middle point between regular dogfighters like the Yak-3 and a boom and zoom fighter like the Bf-109. It has a good rate of climb like the Bf-109, but its top speed and manoeuvrability is closer to that of Soviet fighters, the aircraft has a relatively small ammo pool, which means that it requires trigger discipline to remain active throughout the entire battle. The aircraft is still outperformed by Japanese Zeros, British Spitfires and Italian C.205s, so it is not recommended trying to dogfight these sort of enemies, instead, play passively in a boom and zoom role, and try to dogfight slower enemies like the P-47 and P-51.
+From 1942, the superiority of the Red Army Air Force over the Finnish was becoming increasingly obvious. While 160 modern Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-2, G-6 and other versions were transferred to the Finnish Air Force by Germany between 1942 to 1944, the situation began to deteriorate among the Axis countries, and due to the increasing successes (especially from the second half of 1943) of the Allied countries, it became obvious that further deliveries of new Bf 109s as well as spare parts for them would become more and more problematic. In this situation, the command of the Finnish Air Force ordered LV to develop a fighter that was to be made of domestic materials (mainly wood and steel) with characteristics comparable to the Bf 109 G-6. Engineers T. R. Verkola, Arvo Ilinen, and Edward Vigelius proposed an aerodynamically clean low-wing aircraft equipped with a German Daimler-Benz DB 605AC, developing 1,475 hp (1,085 kW) and rotating a  three-bladed VDM propeller. In the project, the fairing of the propeller sleeve and the engine hood were borrowed from the German aircraft, which made the new Finnish aircraft, designated Pyörremyrsky (hurricane), very similar in front to the Bf 109 G.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
-<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->From 1942, the superiority of the Red Army Air Force over the Finnish was becoming increasingly obvious. While 160 modern Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-2, G-6 and other versions were transferred to the Finnish Air Force by Germany between 1942 to 1944, the situation began to deteriorate among the Axis countries, and due to the increasing successes (especially from the second half of 1943) of the countries of the Allies, it became obvious that further deliveries of new Bf 109s as well as spare parts for them would become more and more problematic. In this situation, the command of the Finnish Air Force ordered LV to develop a fighter that was to be made of domestic materials (mainly wood and steel) with characteristics comparable to the Bf 109 G-6. Engineers T. R. Verkola, Arvo Ilinen, and Edward Vigelius proposed an aerodynamically clean low-wing aircraft equipped with a German Daimler-Benz DB 605AC, developing 1,475 hp (1,085 kW) and rotating a  three-bladed VDM propeller. In the project, the fairing of the propeller sleeve and the engine hood were borrowed from the German aircraft, which made the new Finnish aircraft, designated Pyörremyrsky (hurricane), very similar in front to the Bf 109 G.
-Though the Pyörremyrsky shares some design traits with the [[Bf 109 (Family)|Bf 109 series]] of German fighters, it is in fact a completely domestic Finnish design and has significantly different flight characteristics.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.93 "Shark Attack"]] as a [[wt:en/news/6450-development-pyörremyrsky-the-nordic-whirlwind-en|premium pack]], but was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. It was re-introduced as a regular in-game premium for {{GE}} in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]]. Though the Pyörremyrsky shares some design traits with the [[Bf 109 (Family)|Bf 109 series]] of German fighters, it is in fact a completely domestic Finnish design and has significantly different flight characteristics. It has a very capable flight performance for its BR, and can be considered a middle point between regular dogfighters like the Yak-3 and a boom and zoom fighter like the Bf-109. It has a good rate of climb like the Bf-109, but its top speed and manoeuvrability is closer to that of Soviet fighters, the aircraft has a relatively small ammo pool, which means that it requires trigger discipline to remain active throughout the entire battle. The aircraft is still outperformed by Japanese Zeros, British Spitfires and Italian C.205s, so it is not recommended trying to dogfight these sort of enemies, instead, play passively in a boom and zoom role, and try to dogfight slower enemies like the P-47 and P-51.
 == General info ==

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 * The LKk/42 MGs can load entirely AP ammunition that can penetrate 26 mm of armour
 * Good turn rate, can outturn some Merlin Spitfires in sustained turnfight
-* Decent flaps allow for decreased turn rate
+* Decent flaps allow for decreased turn radius
 * Fantastic engine characteristics (overheating can be negated entirely)
 * Very steady and reliable gun platform
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Not hugely fast, Spitfire and Bf 109 series outrun it
+* Not hugely fast, Bf 109 series starting F-4 outrun it
 * No frontal armour protection
 * Not best suited to bomber hunting

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 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
-This aircraft, having only one spar in each wing along with its water coolant system, is not a hugely durable aircraft - though it's not fragile either. The combined 20mm of spaced amour behind the pilot is fairly effective for protection but a lack of any frontal armour makes the Pyörremyrsky very vulnerable in head ons or in bomber hunting.
+This aircraft, having only one spar in each wing along with its water coolant system, is not a hugely durable aircraft - though it's not fragile either. The combined 20 mm of spaced armour behind the pilot is fairly effective for protection but a lack of any frontal armour makes the Pyörremyrsky very vulnerable in head-ons or in bomber hunting.
 * 10 mm Steel - Pilot's seat
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 The Pyörremyrsky climbs very well and maintains adequate speed up to approximately 5,000 m, this is more than enough speed to initiate combat actions, albeit Finnish pilots can continue the climb to allow themselves more combat choices. Oppositely, they can remain below the 5,000 m and work together with their Swedish brothers to down all the enemy team; the Pyörremyrsky often acting as the decoy. The engine power is favourable, and under WEP produces over 1,400HP which the Pyörremyrsky can maintain almost indefinitely with proper radiator and oil radiator management.
-The intercepting role varies somewhat nonetheless. Pyörremyrsky does not offer great frontal protection, so engaging bombers with good turret protection is not the best idea. Specially bombers like the mighty Soviet [[Pe-8]] or the German [[He 219 A-7]] which are loaded with high-calibre weapons able to harm your pilot with a direct shot or break the light Pyörremyrsky apart.  The rather reserved ammo count also limits the input damage against bombers.  Because of that same reason, head-on attacks are ill-advised, only should be attempted versus planes with a good turn rate and light airframe. Usually the Japanese [[A6M3|Zeros]], The British [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfires]] or the Italian [[C.205 (Family)|C.205s]]. Though, there are exceptions where the player must know how to engage a specific enemy. When to dive away or when to engage in a turning duel.
+The intercepting role varies somewhat nonetheless. Pyörremyrsky does not offer great frontal protection, so engaging bombers with good turret protection is not the best idea. Specially bombers like the mighty Soviet [[Pe-8]] or the German [[He 219 A-7]] which are loaded with high-calibre weapons able to harm your pilot with a direct shot or break the light Pyörremyrsky apart. The rather reserved ammo count also limits the input damage against bombers. Because of that same reason, head-on attacks are ill-advised, only should be attempted versus planes with a good turn rate and light airframe. Usually the Japanese [[A6M3|Zeros]], The British [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfires]] or the Italian [[C.205 (Family)|C.205s]]. Though, there are exceptions where the player must know how to engage a specific enemy. When to dive away or when to engage in a turning duel.
 === Ground Battles ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Good armament,  MG 151/20 and two 12.7 mm LKk/42 both nose mounted
+* Good armament, MG 151/20 and two 12.7 mm LKk/42 both nose mounted
 * The LKk/42 MGs can load entirely AP ammunition that can penetrate 26 mm of armour
 * Good turn rate, can outturn some Merlin Spitfires in sustained turnfight