VK 45.01 (P) - Revision history

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‎Usage

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‎Usage in battles

U121960301: The tactics page was just copied from the Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P's tactics page, so I changed it to suit the actual recommended playstyle of the tank more.

2024-07-13T03:12:44Z

The tactics page was just copied from the Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P's tactics page, so I changed it to suit the actual recommended playstyle of the tank more.

U44629479: Edits

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Edits

U48189037: Grammar and spelling fixes in Survivability and Armor, Pros and Cons, and Usage in Battle

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Grammar and spelling fixes in Survivability and Armor, Pros and Cons, and Usage in Battle

U48189037: Removed a bit saying the VK does not have access to Pzgr. and replaced it with a bit saying it has the same ammo selection as the Tiger H1.

2023-04-17T17:56:52Z

Removed a bit saying the VK does not have access to Pzgr. and replaced it with a bit saying it has the same ammo selection as the Tiger H1.

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‎Ammo racks: Updated section

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‎Mobility: Updated

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 ===Usage===
-Before even the evaluations began, Porsche was so confident that their design would be chosen that one hundred chassis of the VK 45.01 (P) was already produced. With the Henschel version chosen, the chassis were no longer needed to be made into a tank format, but it would be a waste to simply scrap them. These chassis were converted into case mate structures that could mount the new 88 mm Pak 43 cannon, which was longer and more powerful than the KwK 36 on the Tiger I. This would be called the [[Ferdinand]] tank destroyer, later redesignated as the Elefant.Three VK 45.01 (P) was also converted into recovery vehicles designated the Bergepanzer Tiger(P).
+Before even the evaluations began, A contract was approved by the army to produce one hundred chassis of the VK 45.01 (P). With the Henschel version chosen, the chassis produced were no longer needed to be made into a tank format, but it would be a waste to simply scrap them. These chassis were converted into case mate structures that could mount the new 88 mm Pak 43 cannon, which was longer and more powerful than the KwK 36 on the Tiger I. This would be called the [[Ferdinand]] tank destroyer, later redesignated as the Elefant in 1944.Three VK 45.01 (P) was also converted into recovery vehicles designated the Bergepanzer Tiger(P).
 Out of the five VK 45.01 (P) produced from its development to its rejection, only one saw service in World War II. The tank had the chassis number 150013 and was converted into a command tank, thus was designated the [[Pz.Bfw.VI (P)|Panzerbefehlswagen VI (P)]]. As a command tank, the tank would have much more radios than usual to allow for command communication between tank units and headquarters. Another feature on the Panzerbefehlswagen VI (P) was that an extra 100 mm of armour was welded onto the front hull armour, bringing the original 100 mm hull armour to 200 mm effective in thickness. The tank was used by Hauptmann Grillenberg in turret number 003 and the tank saw service on the Eastern Front with the Ferdinand units, serving in Tank Destroyer Battalion 653. It was deployed in April 1944, but was then lost in July of the same year.

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 One of the flaws of its armour design is that it cannot be effectively angled at all. Because of its front hull cheeks, that are only 82 mm thick, even the slightest angling makes them very vulnerable to all guns, and to make matters even worse, ammunition is stored right behind them on both sides (unless one carries less ammunition).
-The gameplay is very similar to the Tiger E. Avoid direct close range confrontations (although the Porsche can hold its ground better there), where its weak spots can be targeted, or be flanked easily, and rather use its excellent accurate gun to outshoot the opponents from afar while using the terrain and various obstacles as cover (Hulldown manoeuvre). Refrain from showing your armour to the enemy at all, as opposed to Box-shaped Henschel Tigers, because of the vulnerable front hull cheeks and much thinner side armour. 102 mm of front hull armour means that the VK 45.01 (p) can be defeated by a lot of shells at this BR, and even more so in uptiers.
+The gameplay is similar to the Tiger E. Avoid direct close range confrontations (although the Porsche can hold its ground better there), where its weak spots can be targeted, or be flanked easily, and rather use its excellent accurate gun to outshoot the opponents from afar while using the terrain and various obstacles as cover (Hulldown manoeuvre). Refrain from showing your armour to the enemy at all, as opposed to Box-shaped Henschel Tigers, because of the vulnerable front hull cheeks and much thinner side armour. 102 mm of front hull armour means that the VK 45.01 (p) can be defeated by a lot of shells at this BR, and even more so in uptiers.
 Remember about the high reverse speed (31 km/h!), if the situation is becoming dire, try to retreat from it by reversing while still facing the opponents with 200 mm of front armour and dangerous gun!
-Lastly, remember that that the VK 45.01 (P)'s BR is quite high at 5.3, and it can meet plenty of opponents that are almost invulnerable to the 88 mm gun from the front (even when using APCR), and/or can still instantly destroy the VK 45.01 (P) with one well-aimed shot.
+Lastly, remember that at the VK 45.01 (P)'s BR, and it can meet plenty of opponents that are almost invulnerable to the 88 mm gun from the front (even when using APCR), and/or can still instantly destroy the VK 45.01 (P) with one well-aimed shot.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 One of the flaws of its armour design is that it cannot be effectively angled at all. Because of its front hull cheeks, that are only 82 mm thick, even the slightest angling makes them very vulnerable to all guns, and to make matters even worse, ammunition is stored right behind them on both sides (unless one carries less ammunition).
-The gameplay is very similar to the Tiger E. Avoid direct close range confrontations (although the Porsche can hold its ground a lot better there), where its weak spots can be targeted, or be flanked easily, and rather use its excellent accurate gun to outshoot the opponents from afar while using the terrain and various obstacles as cover (Hulldown manoeuvre). Refrain from angling the armour, as opposed to Box-shaped Henschel Tigers, because of the vulnerable front hull cheeks and much thinner side armour. 204 mm of front hull armour can defeat a lot of shells even completely un-angled, and even more at a high distance.
+The gameplay is very similar to the Tiger E. Avoid direct close range confrontations (although the Porsche can hold its ground better there), where its weak spots can be targeted, or be flanked easily, and rather use its excellent accurate gun to outshoot the opponents from afar while using the terrain and various obstacles as cover (Hulldown manoeuvre). Refrain from showing your armour to the enemy at all, as opposed to Box-shaped Henschel Tigers, because of the vulnerable front hull cheeks and much thinner side armour. 102 mm of front hull armour means that the VK 45.01 (p) can be defeated by a lot of shells at this BR, and even more so in uptiers.
 Remember about the high reverse speed (31 km/h!), if the situation is becoming dire, try to retreat from it by reversing while still facing the opponents with 200 mm of front armour and dangerous gun!
-Lastly, remember that that the Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P BR is quite high, and it can meet opponents that are almost invulnerable to the 88 mm gun from the front (even when using APCR), and/or can still instantly destroy the Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P with one well-aimed shot.
+Lastly, remember that that the VK 45.01 (P)'s BR is quite high at 5.3, and it can meet plenty of opponents that are almost invulnerable to the 88 mm gun from the front (even when using APCR), and/or can still instantly destroy the VK 45.01 (P) with one well-aimed shot.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 One of the flaws of its armour design is that it cannot be effectively angled at all. Because of its front hull cheeks, that are only 82 mm thick, even the slightest angling makes them very vulnerable to all guns, and to make matters even worse, ammunition is stored right behind them on both sides (unless one carries less ammunition).
-The gameplay is very similar to the Tiger E. Avoid direct close range confrontations (although the Porsche can hold its ground a lot better there), where its weak spots can be targeted, or be flanked easily, and rather use its excellent accurate gun to outshoot the opponents from afar while using the terrain and various obstacles as cover (Hulldown maneuver). Refrain from angling the armour, as opposed to Box-shaped Henschel Tigers, because of the vulnerable front hull cheeks and much thinner side armour. 204 mm of front hull armour can defeat a lot of shells even completely un-angled, and even more at a high distance.
+The gameplay is very similar to the Tiger E. Avoid direct close range confrontations (although the Porsche can hold its ground a lot better there), where its weak spots can be targeted, or be flanked easily, and rather use its excellent accurate gun to outshoot the opponents from afar while using the terrain and various obstacles as cover (Hulldown manoeuvre). Refrain from angling the armour, as opposed to Box-shaped Henschel Tigers, because of the vulnerable front hull cheeks and much thinner side armour. 204 mm of front hull armour can defeat a lot of shells even completely un-angled, and even more at a high distance.
 Remember about the high reverse speed (31 km/h!), if the situation is becoming dire, try to retreat from it by reversing while still facing the opponents with 200 mm of front armour and dangerous gun!
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 * Longer hull compared to Tiger I's
 * Ammo racks offer great targets around the fighting compartment
-* Low maneuverability, susceptible to being outflanked by more quicker adversaries
+* Low manoeuvrability, susceptible to being outflanked by more quicker adversaries
 == History ==

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 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
-The VK 45.01 (P) has 102 mm of frontal armour and 82 mm of armour on the cheeks of the hull and sides of the hull. The lower front plate also has 82mm of armour. The engine and transmission are all located at the rear of the tank so most frontal shots won't damage them, however, all the ammo is stowed right behind the thinner pieces of armour on the cheeks of the hull. At {{Battle-rating|1}}, a majority of Soviet and American tanks can pen this spot and cause ammo explosions. The crew are spaced out but a centre of mass shots with APHE shells will knock out the entire crew.
+The VK 45.01 (P) has 102 mm of frontal armour and 82 mm of armour on the cheeks of the hull and sides of the hull. The lower front plate also has 82mm of armour. The engine and transmission are all located at the rear of the tank so most frontal shots won't damage them, however, all the ammo is stowed right behind the thinner pieces of armour on the cheeks of the hull. This should be kept in mind as {{Battle-rating|1}}, a majority of Soviet and American tanks can pen this spot and cause ammo explosions. The crew are spaced out, but a centre of mass shot with APHE shells can knock out the entire crew.
 '''Armour type:'''
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 One of the flaws of its armour design is that it cannot be effectively angled at all. Because of its front hull cheeks, that are only 82 mm thick, even the slightest angling makes them very vulnerable to all guns, and to make matters even worse, ammunition is stored right behind them on both sides (unless one carries less ammunition).
-The gameplay is very similar to the Tiger E. Avoid direct close range confrontations (although the Porsche can hold its ground a lot better there), where its weak spots can be targeted, or be flanked easily, and rather use its excellent accurate gun to outshoot the opponents from afar while using the terrain and various obstacles as cover (Hulldown manoeuvre). Refrain from angling the armour, as opposed to Box-shaped Henschel Tigers, because of the vulnerable front hull cheeks and much thinner side armour. 204 mm of front hull armour can defeat a lot of shells even completely un-angled, and even more at a high distance.
+The gameplay is very similar to the Tiger E. Avoid direct close range confrontations (although the Porsche can hold its ground a lot better there), where its weak spots can be targeted, or be flanked easily, and rather use its excellent accurate gun to outshoot the opponents from afar while using the terrain and various obstacles as cover (Hulldown maneuver). Refrain from angling the armour, as opposed to Box-shaped Henschel Tigers, because of the vulnerable front hull cheeks and much thinner side armour. 204 mm of front hull armour can defeat a lot of shells even completely un-angled, and even more at a high distance.
 Remember about the high reverse speed (31 km/h!), if the situation is becoming dire, try to retreat from it by reversing while still facing the opponents with 200 mm of front armour and dangerous gun!
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 * Very powerful 88 mm gun
 * Decent frontal turret and hull armour
-* Able to neutral steering
+* Neutral steering
 * Weighs slightly less than the Tiger H1
 * Better turret placement than the Tiger H1, you expose less of your tank when pulling out of cover to snipe targets to your side
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 * Longer hull compared to Tiger I's
 * Ammo racks offer great targets around the fighting compartment
-* Low manoeuvrability, susceptible to being outflanked by more quicker adversaries
+* Low maneuverability, susceptible to being outflanked by more quicker adversaries
 == History ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} German heavy tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.45 "Steel Generals"]] as a reward vehicle for the [[wt:en/news/3489--en|2015 "War Thunder Fulfills Your Wishes!"]] event.
-The VK 45.01 (P), like the [[Tiger H1]], is a heavy tank with a great gun for long range firing. It has the same amount of armour and the same gun as the Tiger H1 (Though it does not have access to the Pzgr. shell). Size-wise, the VK 45.01 (P) is slightly longer and slightly narrower than the Tiger H1. Despite the similarities, the VK 45.01 (P) is often called a "worse tiger". When played right however, this is not so at all. The main weakness of the VK 45.01 (P) is that it has hull cheeks on the front of its hull. Attempting to angle your armour will only allow the enemy to shoot these weak points, which they can easily pen as they have the same armour values as the side armour. In other words, if fighting an enemy, you should either take cover or turn the front of your hull directly towards them. Because the hull cheeks are angled compared to the front armour, if your hull is facing directly towards the enemy the hull cheeks will have more effective armour than your frontal armour, so they are not a weak point when the tank is not angled. The turret traverse speed is also slow, slower than that of the Tiger H1, meaning it's better to snipe with this tank.
+The VK 45.01 (P), like the [[Tiger H1]], is a heavy tank with a great gun for long range firing. It has the same amount of armour and the same gun as the Tiger H1 and same ammo selection. Size-wise, the VK 45.01 (P) is slightly longer and slightly narrower than the Tiger H1. Despite the similarities, the VK 45.01 (P) is often called a "worse tiger". When played right however, this is not so at all. The main weakness of the VK 45.01 (P) is that it has hull cheeks on the front of its hull. Attempting to angle your armour will only allow the enemy to shoot these weak points, which they can easily pen as they have the same armour values as the side armour. In other words, if fighting an enemy, you should either take cover or turn the front of your hull directly towards them. Because the hull cheeks are angled compared to the front armour, if your hull is facing directly towards the enemy the hull cheeks will have more effective armour than your frontal armour, so they are not a weak point when the tank is not angled. The turret traverse speed is also slow, slower than that of the Tiger H1, meaning it's better to snipe with this tank.
 But what the VK 45.01 (P) lacks in effective armour and turret traverse speed it makes up for reverse speed and a few other advantages. Firstly, the transmission is harder to hit since it's mounted in the rear- you will be harder to immobilize. Secondly, the turret is placed at the front of the vehicle, so it doesn't need to expose as much of the tank when peeking out of cover to shoot an enemy. These two advantages go great with its next, and biggest advantage: its phenomenal reverse speed. Because of this attribute, the VK is better for Peek-a-Boo tactics (behind cover, over-extend and shoot, go back in cover to reload). than the Tiger H1. Whereas the Tiger H1 can angle and take more shots, the VK 45.01 (P) is much better at shooting from and retreating into cover, essentially meaning it doesn't have to take those shots in the first place.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_pzkpfw_VI_tiger_P Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Sights
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/post/675135/en/ RideR2's Realistic gunsight (TZF4a, TZF 5a/b/d/e/f/f2, TZF 9b/b1/c/d, TZF 12/a) for Pzkpfw II, Pzkpfw III, Pzkpfw IV, Pzkpfw V, Pzkpfw VI]
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 [[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
-<!-- '''Last updated: 2.9.0.62''' -->
+<!-- '''Last updated: 2.23.1.43''' -->
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
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-| '''80''' || 65&nbsp;''(+15)'' || 49&nbsp;''(+31)'' || 41&nbsp;''(+39)'' || 25&nbsp;''(+55)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+71)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+79)'' || No
+| '''80''' || 65&nbsp;''(+15)'' || 49&nbsp;''(+31)'' || 33&nbsp;''(+47)'' || 17&nbsp;''(+63)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+71)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+79)'' || No
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 * As they are modeled by sets of 2, shells disappear from the rack only after you fire both shells in the set.
-* Flank racks empty: 9&nbsp;''(+71)'' shells.
+* Flank racks empty: 17&nbsp;''(+63)'' shells.
 === Machine guns ===

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:KwK36 (88 mm)/Ammunition|PzGr 39, Hl.Gr 39, Pzgr., Sprgr. L/4.5}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_pzkpfw_VI_tiger_P Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Sights
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/post/675135/en/ RideR2's Realistic gunsight (TZF4a, TZF 5a/b/d/e/f/f2, TZF 9b/b1/c/d, TZF 12/a) for Pzkpfw II, Pzkpfw III, Pzkpfw IV, Pzkpfw V, Pzkpfw VI]
 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|lUVD0VbQgnw|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''|tcIeR_s6fp8|'''The Shooting Range #204''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:50 discusses the Tiger I and the {{PAGENAME}}.|PosWOnOGkSo|'''Best experimental vehicles''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 0:56 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|tcIeR_s6fp8|'''The Shooting Range #204''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:50 discusses the Tiger I and the {{PAGENAME}}.|PosWOnOGkSo|'''Best experimental vehicles''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 0:56 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}
 == See also ==

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 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
-{{tankMobility|abMinHp=800|rbMinHp=548}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=807|rbMinHp=553}}
 === Modifications and economy ===