VEAK 40 - Revision history

U91965995: grammar edits / clarifications for the VEAK post-HE-VT removal

2024-09-26T06:34:42Z

grammar edits / clarifications for the VEAK post-HE-VT removal

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U17577377: /* See also */

2024-06-26T11:57:29Z

‎See also

U58217070: grammar

2024-06-19T09:55:50Z

grammar

U136146036: /* Armaments */ Minor edit, as the VEAK no longer has VT shells.

2024-06-17T18:50:21Z

‎Armaments: Minor edit, as the VEAK no longer has VT shells.

U28580205 at 03:39, 5 May 2024

2024-05-05T03:39:22Z

U111512537: They removed the proxy shells [Nerf] . It is also basically trash not, definetly worse than the itpsv 90 because of its inaccuracy and slow firing rate.

2024-05-01T13:46:48Z

They removed the proxy shells [Nerf] . It is also basically trash not, definetly worse than the itpsv 90 because of its inaccuracy and slow firing rate.

U119469481: No more HEVT ):

2024-04-29T13:52:05Z

No more HEVT ):

U38088265: /* Description */

2023-10-27T20:11:36Z

‎Description

U38088265: /* Description */

2023-10-25T21:05:55Z

‎Description

U3243125: Fixing Description

2023-10-25T14:42:57Z

Fixing Description

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 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
+* [[File:USA flag.png|30px|link=]] [[M247]]
-* [[M247]]
+* [[File:USSR flag.png|30px|link=]] [[ZSU-37-2]]
-* [[AMX-30 DCA]]
+* [[File:France flag.png|30px|link=]] [[AMX-30 DCA]]
 == External links ==

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 [[File:VEAK 40 driving 2.png|thumb|right|450px|Two {{PAGENAME}} driving in a convoy.]]
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The {{PAGENAME}} is a fairly basic tier 5 SPAA. It has a radar and anti air guns that can take out any aircraft within 3 km. The guns also has fairly high penetration on its armour-piercing ammo and will easily take out lightly armoured vehicles in the front and the majority of vehicles in the side. Its protection is more or less non-existent and the {{PAGENAME}} can even be dealt with using regular low-calibre machine guns.
+The {{PAGENAME}} is a fairly basic tier 5 SPAA. It has a radar and anti air guns that can take out any aircraft within 3 km. The guns also have fairly high penetration on its armour-piercing ammo and will easily take out lightly armoured vehicles in the front and the majority of vehicles in the side. Its protection is more or less non-existent and the {{PAGENAME}} can even be dealt with using regular low-calibre machine guns.
 When playing the {{PAGENAME}} it is best to stay in spawn and shoot at incoming aircraft, or using the great mobility to follow team-mates into battle and support them with suppressive fire and anti-aircraft support. If there are no aircraft to shoot at then it is viable to cruise around the map at high speeds and hunt lightly armored targets and capture points.

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 <!-- ''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.'' -->
 {{main|ksp 58 (7.62 mm)}}
-Beyond its main weaponry, the {{PAGENAME}} also features a cupola mounted 7,62 mm FN MAG machine gun, in Swedish service designated [[ksp 58 (7.62 mm)|7,62 mm ksp m/58B]]. This is extremely rare for SPAAs and makes it one of two SPAAs that has a secondary machine gun (the other one being the [[Lvkv 9040C]]). Due to the characteristics of its main weaponry there is rarely a need to use the secondary machine gun, but it can be used when suppressing ATGM carriers or low flying helicopters (as VT shell requires 500 m range to activate and will not disable them at close range).
+Beyond its main weaponry, the {{PAGENAME}} also features a cupola mounted 7,62 mm FN MAG machine gun, in Swedish service designated [[ksp 58 (7.62 mm)|7,62 mm ksp m/58B]]. This is extremely rare for SPAAs and makes it one of two SPAAs that has a secondary machine gun (the other one being the [[Lvkv 9040C]]). Due to the characteristics of its main weaponry there is rarely a need to use the secondary machine gun, but it can be used when suppressing ATGM carriers, not that the Bofors are unable to accomplish this.
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 *Time to rotate 360°: < 8 s
+=== Modifications and economy ===
 == Armaments ==
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 * '''Default:''' {{Annotation|SAPHEI|Semi armour-piercing high-explosive incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}
-* '''slsgr m/484:''' {{Annotation|HE-VT*|High-explosive variable time fuse (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HE-VT*|High-explosive variable time fuse (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HE-VT*|High-explosive variable time fuse (self-destroying)}}
+* '''slsgr m/36C:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|SAPHEI|Semi armour-piercing high-explosive incendiary}}
-{{:lvakan m/48 (40 mm)/Ammunition|SAPHEI, HEFI-T, HE-VT*, AP}}
+{{:lvakan m/48 (40 mm)/Ammunition|SAPHEI, HEFI-T, AP}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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 == History ==
-The VEAK 40 was an experimental SPAA developed by Landsverk and Bofors. It was made in 1964 and retired in the late 70s? The VEAK 40 in real life and in War Thunder had HEVT shells, however HEVT shells were removed for balancing purposes (despite ruining the Swedish SPAA line)
+''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
 == Media ==

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 * Radar is a Combined Search and Tracking radar, can track targets through a full 360°, will not randomly alert other aircraft while focusing on one
 * Radar folds back when turned off, reducing profile
 '''Cons:'''
-* Inaccurate and requires VT shells to fight against air efficiently
+* Inaccurate
 * Both guns use the same belts, meaning ammo will run out twice as fast than what UI tries to convey
 * Very easy to destroy since all the ammo and the crew are located in the turret

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 The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' was developed by the Swedish arms manufacturer Bofors by request of the Swedish army as a 1960s next generation Swedish SPAA following the 1940s limited production Lvkv fm/43 SPAA and failed 1950s [[Lvkv 42]] prototype SPAA. A single prototype based on the [[Strv 103 (Family)|Strv 103]] chassis was built and delivered for testing in 1964. The project was delayed at this point but testing commenced and the vehicle proved to be ahead of its time regarding armament and fire control system. This however made the vehicle too costly and in the end the project had to be scrapped due to resources going to the Swedish air force rather than the Swedish air defense. The name {{PAGENAME}} follows Bofors naming scheme, not the Swedish army's naming scheme. Its full historical Bofors-name was Bofors VEAK 40 X 60, VEAK indicating type (tracked vehicle with FC-radar and autocannons), 40 indicating calibre (40 mm) and 60 indicating year of design (1960).
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (English: "Wagon Fire-control AutoCannon 40"), or '''{{PAGENAME}}''' for short, was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. It's armed with two 40 mm Bofors L/70 autocannons (Swedish designation: [[lvakan m/48 (40 mm)|lvakan m/48]]) which each have a fire rate of 300 rounds per minute and are capable of firing proximity-fused high explosive shells which will airburst and damage aircraft when reaching their vicinity. It has mediocre mobility and subpar protection but does feature excellent vertical and horizontal traverse speed for the guns. It also comes equipped with a tracking and search radar that allows the player to find and track airborne targets within a 12 km radius.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (English: "Wagon Fire-control AutoCannon 40"), or '''{{PAGENAME}}''' for short, was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. It's armed with two 40 mm Bofors L/70 autocannons (Swedish designation: [[lvakan m/48 (40 mm)|lvakan m/48]]) which each have a fire rate of 300 rounds per minute. It has mediocre mobility and subpar protection but does feature excellent vertical and horizontal traverse speed for the guns. It also comes equipped with a tracking and search radar that allows the player to find and track airborne targets within a 12 km radius.
 == General info ==
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 *Time to rotate 360°: < 8 s
-=== Modifications and economy ===
 == Armaments ==
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 ==== Ammunition ====
-The ammunition of the {{PAGENAME}} is excellent for its type. While not perfect in all regards, specific belts do what they are expected to and sometimes more. For example, the effectiveness of {{Annotation|HE-VT*|High-explosive variable time fuse (self-destroying)}} ammunition against aircraft is not to be questioned, with a bonus feature of being able to detonate above open-topped ATGM tanks like the [[Khrizantema-S]] or SAM with spectacular results. The penetration values even of the {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}} ammunition is too low to penetrate any heavy tank, but it can penetrate lighter tanks through weak spots in the majority of situations.
+The ammunition of the {{PAGENAME}} is below average for its type. The penetration values even of the {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}} ammunition is too low to penetrate any heavy tank, but it can penetrate lighter tanks through weak spots in the majority of situations.
 * '''Default:''' {{Annotation|SAPHEI|Semi armour-piercing high-explosive incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}
 * '''slsgr m/484:''' {{Annotation|HE-VT*|High-explosive variable time fuse (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HE-VT*|High-explosive variable time fuse (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HE-VT*|High-explosive variable time fuse (self-destroying)}}
 {{:lvakan m/48 (40 mm)/Ammunition|SAPHEI, HEFI-T, HE-VT*, AP}}
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 [[File:VEAK 40 driving 2.png|thumb|right|450px|Two {{PAGENAME}} driving in a convoy.]]
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The {{PAGENAME}} is a fairly basic tier 5 SPAA. It has a radar and effective anti air guns that will easily take out any aircraft even at longer ranges with ease. The guns also has fairly high penetration on its armour-piercing ammo and will easily take out lightly armoured vehicles in the front and the majority of vehicles in the side. Its protection is more or less non-existent and the {{PAGENAME}} can even be dealt with using regular low-calibre machine guns. In arcade battles, it is one of the earliest anti-air vehicles with VT shells.
+The {{PAGENAME}} is a fairly basic tier 5 SPAA. It has a radar and anti air guns that can take out any aircraft within 3 km. The guns also has fairly high penetration on its armour-piercing ammo and will easily take out lightly armoured vehicles in the front and the majority of vehicles in the side. Its protection is more or less non-existent and the {{PAGENAME}} can even be dealt with using regular low-calibre machine guns.
-When playing the {{PAGENAME}} it is best to stay in spawn and shoot at incoming aircraft, or using the great mobility to follow team-mates into battle and support them with suppressive fire and anti-aircraft support. If there are no aircraft to shoot at then it is viable to cruise around the map at high speeds and hunt lightly armoured targets and capture points.
+When playing the {{PAGENAME}} it is best to stay in spawn and shoot at incoming aircraft, or using the great mobility to follow team-mates into battle and support them with suppressive fire and anti-aircraft support. If there are no aircraft to shoot at then it is viable to cruise around the map at high speeds and hunt lightly armored targets and capture points.
 Due to the large profile of the turret there are rarely options for hiding behind cover and thus it is best to play aggressively and using your high speed, stabilized guns and high fire rate to defeat enemy tanks. The radar mast retracts behind the turret like on a lot of other radar SPAAs when turned off, allowing you to become slightly less visible. Turning it off may be a good choice, if you are not looking to be spotted as easily if you believe enemies may be nearby.
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 * Twin 40 mm lvakan m/48 cannons are very effective against air units
 * Has a lot of meaningful options for ammo belts:
 ** Has SAPHEI/HE belt like the early Swedish SPAA to obliterate poorly armoured vehicles and exploit weak spots
 ** AP belt has 3/1 composition and can penetrate medium battle tanks hulls from the side with some effort given
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 == History ==
-''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
+The VEAK 40 was an experimental SPAA developed by Landsverk and Bofors. It was made in 1964 and retired in the late 70s? The VEAK 40 in real life and in War Thunder had HEVT shells, however HEVT shells were removed for balancing purposes (despite ruining the Swedish SPAA line)
 == Media ==

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 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
 [[File:VEAK 40 vinter.png|350px|thumb|left|A {{PAGENAME}} keeping the skies clear over Northern Europe.]]
-The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' was developed by the Swedish arms manufacturer Bofors by request of the Swedish army as a 1960s next generation Swedish SPAA following the 1940s limited production Lvkv fm/43 SPAA and failed 1950s [[Lvkv 42]] prototype SPAA. A single prototype based on the Strv 103 chassis was built and delivered for testing in 1964. The project was delayed at this point but testing commenced and the vehicle proved to be ahead of its time regarding armament and fire control system. This however made the vehicle too costly and in the end the project had to be scrapped due to resources going to the Swedish air force rather than the Swedish air defense. The name {{PAGENAME}} follows Bofors naming scheme, not the Swedish army's naming scheme. Its full historical Bofors-name was Bofors VEAK 40 X 60, VEAK indicating type (tracked vehicle with FC-radar and autocannons), 40 indicating calibre (40 mm) and 60 indicating year of design (1960).
+The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' was developed by the Swedish arms manufacturer Bofors by request of the Swedish army as a 1960s next generation Swedish SPAA following the 1940s limited production Lvkv fm/43 SPAA and failed 1950s [[Lvkv 42]] prototype SPAA. A single prototype based on the [[Strv 103 (Family)|Strv 103]] chassis was built and delivered for testing in 1964. The project was delayed at this point but testing commenced and the vehicle proved to be ahead of its time regarding armament and fire control system. This however made the vehicle too costly and in the end the project had to be scrapped due to resources going to the Swedish air force rather than the Swedish air defense. The name {{PAGENAME}} follows Bofors naming scheme, not the Swedish army's naming scheme. Its full historical Bofors-name was Bofors VEAK 40 X 60, VEAK indicating type (tracked vehicle with FC-radar and autocannons), 40 indicating calibre (40 mm) and 60 indicating year of design (1960).
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (English: "Wagon Fire-control AutoCannon 40"), or '''{{PAGENAME}}''' for short. It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. It's armed with two 40 mm Bofors L/70 autocannons (Swedish designation: [[lvakan m/48 (40 mm)|40 mm lvakan m/48]]) which each have a fire rate of 300 rounds per minute and are capable of firing proximity-fused high explosive shells which will airburst and damage aircraft when reaching their vicinity. It has mediocre mobility and subpar protection but does feature excellent vertical and horizontal traverse speed for the guns. It also comes equipped with a tracking and search radar that allows the player to find and track airborne targets within a 12 km radius.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (English: "Wagon Fire-control AutoCannon 40"), or '''{{PAGENAME}}''' for short. It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. It's armed with two 40 mm Bofors L/70 autocannons (Swedish designation: [[lvakan m/48 (40 mm)|lvakan m/48]]) which each have a fire rate of 300 rounds per minute and are capable of firing proximity-fused high explosive shells which will airburst and damage aircraft when reaching their vicinity. It has mediocre mobility and subpar protection but does feature excellent vertical and horizontal traverse speed for the guns. It also comes equipped with a tracking and search radar that allows the player to find and track airborne targets within a 12 km radius.
 == General info ==
 === Survivability and armour ===
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
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 | [[File:Veak40external.png|centre|x250px]] || [[File:Veak40internal.png|centre|x250px]]
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 | style="text-align: center;" | External armour on the {{PAGENAME}} || style="text-align: center;" | Internal armour on the {{PAGENAME}}
 |-
 |}
 The frontal armour of the {{PAGENAME}} is roughly 15 mm thick all around with very limited sloping angles to back it up. The gun mantlet, roof of both hull and turret, as well as the back are 5 mm thick and vulnerable even to 40 mm HE, as well as 7.62 mm MG at flat angles.
 Heavy machine guns can knock it out by firing at the turret from all directions. The turret is also very big and boxy and also houses all of the vehicles ammunition and crew, thus a shot there usually results in an ammo rack detonation.
 The hull however is fairly empty of components and only houses the transmission and engine which are located in their own compartment, resulting in tons of empty space in the hull under the turret. There is also a small internal screen to protect the turret compartment from stray shots. Attack to the lower hull usually leaves the vehicle combat capable.
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 ;Modification route
 *Stage 1 (Primary Route): Like with every tank the first modifications to research can be {{Annotation|Parts|Parts allows for repair of vehicle modules in combat.}} and {{Annotation|FPE|FPE allows for extinguishing of internal fires in combat.}}.
 :After those it is best to unlock the ammunition (slsgr m/484 {{Annotation|HE-VT*|High-explosive variable time fuse (self-destroying)}} and slpprj m/42B {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}). Depending on the desired playstyle you can either go for the HE-VT or AP first. The slsgr m/484 is excellent for taking out aircraft, while the slpprj m/42B is great at taking out tanks in the side.
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 *Stage 2: After unlocking Parts, FPE and ammunition you can either go for mobility upgrades or fire-control upgrades depending on the desired playstyle.
 :If you desire to kill tanks then go for mobility upgrades such as Filters, Engine and Transmission. This will allow you to easily flank and outmanoeuvre enemy tanks with some planning.
 :If you desire to kill aircraft then go for fire-control upgrades such as Horizontal Drive, Adjustment of Fire and Elevation Mechanism. This will give you one of the best targeting speeds in the game.
 *Stage 3: After unlocking enough performance upgrades for comfort then it is viable to unlock Artillery Support.
 :Follow this by unlocking the suspension upgrades: Suspension > Brake System > Tracks.
 :The last upgrade to unlock is Crew Replacement. Due to the limited survivability of the {{PAGENAME}} and its ability to stay fully combat capable without one crew member there is rarely a need to restore a dead crew member.
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 <!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
 {{main|lvakan m/48 (40 mm)}}
 The {{PAGENAME}} uses two '''Bofors 40 mm anti-aircraft autocannon L/70''' guns, in Swedish service designated [[lvakan m/48 (40 mm)|40 mm lvakan m/48]]. These have extremely good stats in all regards. Excellent rate of fire, excellent velocity and excellent effect against both aircraft and tanks.
 The downside compared to 35 mm counterparts is the questionable accuracy. It is also really easy to spend half of the ammunition without even noticing - each gun consumes a clip every 10 shots, but the UI presents it as 20 shots in the same box, which might be confusing. To avoid confusion, always divide current amount of clips by 2.
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 The {{PAGENAME}} is a fairly basic tier 5 SPAA. It has a radar and effective anti air guns that will easily take out any aircraft even at longer ranges with ease. The guns also has fairly high penetration on its armour-piercing ammo and will easily take out lightly armoured vehicles in the front and the majority of vehicles in the side. Its protection is more or less non-existent and the {{PAGENAME}} can even be dealt with using regular low-calibre machine guns. In arcade battles, it is one of the earliest anti-air vehicles with VT shells.
 When playing the {{PAGENAME}} it is best to stay in spawn and shoot at incoming aircraft, or using the great mobility to follow team-mates into battle and support them with suppressive fire and anti-aircraft support. If there are no aircraft to shoot at then it is viable to cruise around the map at high speeds and hunt lightly armoured targets and capture points.
 Due to the large profile of the turret there are rarely options for hiding behind cover and thus it is best to play aggressively and using your high speed, stabilized guns and high fire rate to defeat enemy tanks. The radar mast retracts behind the turret like on a lot of other radar SPAAs when turned off, allowing you to become slightly less visible. Turning it off may be a good choice, if you are not looking to be spotted as easily if you believe enemies may be nearby.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Twin 40 mm lvakan m/48 cannons are very effective against air units
 * Has a lot of meaningful options for ammo belts:
 ** Has access to proximity fuse HE shells (earliest in AB)
 ** Has SAPHEI/HE belt like the early Swedish SPAA to obliterate poorly armoured vehicles and exploit weak spots