VBC (PT2) - Revision history

U42773747: /* Usage in battles */ added a pair of pictures as examples for ambush

2024-04-28T12:30:19Z

‎Usage in battles: added a pair of pictures as examples for ambush

U28580205 at 04:02, 26 March 2024

2024-03-26T04:02:22Z

U42773747: fixed some obvious mistakes and misspells to save time to whoever is going to proofread this.

2024-02-25T23:18:52Z

fixed some obvious mistakes and misspells to save time to whoever is going to proofread this.

U42773747: Added some text and tried to make overall text to fit into both AB and RB. Also please approve/moderate BTR text as well if this one is fine, changes refer to it much (very intentional). May drop more pictures in, but otherwise won't touch.

2024-02-25T18:44:08Z

Added some text and tried to make overall text to fit into both AB and RB. Also please approve/moderate BTR text as well if this one is fine, changes refer to it much (very intentional). May drop more pictures in, but otherwise won't touch.

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2023-05-14T22:38:26Z

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2023-05-12T11:07:19Z

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U3039493: /* Devblog */ removed a broken devblog link. the rest are still there

2023-03-28T15:13:13Z

‎Devblog: removed a broken devblog link. the rest are still there

U3039493: /* Ammo racks */ removed the 5th and 6th column from the table. the vehicle only carries 4 full belts for its cannon

2023-03-18T15:27:45Z

‎Ammo racks: removed the 5th and 6th column from the table. the vehicle only carries 4 full belts for its cannon

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2023-03-11T17:39:01Z

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 When playing stock as the VBC PT2, it might be hard to earn points, as majority of the speed and firepower aren't there yet, but you can still be useful by actively scouting enemy players and attacking enemy aircraft, which the 25 mm cannon is more than capable of dealing with. The VBC can also work well in late game, when capturing points is essential to getting the victory, making the most out of its mobility.
-As an example of a flanker role with full APDS belt, the VBC at times can be used effectively in urban combat. If you pick a side street to set up, when the enemy goes past (hopefully without seeing you), you will be able to hit them in the side with your main 25 mm cannon. Sometimes, you can even do a drive-by attack and finish them off by firing APDS into the engine deck. By doing this you can become quite the annoyance to the enemy team as there's not much they can do to stop you, as the car moves faster than turret tracking of most tanks. If you've been spotted, however, you will need to move away as quickly as possible to avoid being cornered. The VBC, although being fast, is not very survivable. Its armour is only good against machine gun fire (don't forget to angle the hull when flanked by an MBT!) and low level autocannon fire from the front. An adequate enemy MBT will make short work of you if they know where you are. One of the many weaknesses of the VBC is the fact that it also has a big profile which usually means hiding is not possible at times.
+As an example of a flanker role with full APDS belt, the VBC at times can be used effectively in urban combat. If you pick a side street to set up, when the enemy goes past (hopefully without seeing you), you will be able to hit them in the side with your main 25 mm cannon. Sometimes, you can even do a drive-by attack and finish them off by firing APDS into the engine deck. By doing this you can become quite the annoyance to the enemy team as there's not much they can do to stop you, as the car moves faster than turret tracking of most tanks. If you've been spotted, however, you will need to move away as quickly as possible to avoid being cornered. The VBC, although being fast, is not very survivable. Its armour is only good against machine gun fire (don't forget to angle the hull when flanked by an MBT!) and low level autocannon fire from the front. An adequate enemy MBT will make short work of you if they know where you are. One of the many weaknesses of the VBC is the fact that it also has a big profile which usually means hiding is not possible at times, so using teammates as a distraction, or smoking up your back is often necessary. Using a difficult to see vantage point could also help:
 Upon researching laser rangefinder, the car can flank over great distances as well. It's no secret that a lot of snipers and light tanks do not like to fire on the move, especially broadside, so you can figure out their routes towards the sniping spot and intercept them by firing on their sides from 1.2 km or further. At worst, you can give them a pause and destroy their engine, then point them out for your allies and leave. At best, you will be able to destroy one or more of them outright, but you should never overstay your welcome, as even one angry sniper might precisely point out your position for others, or even destroy you himself. If your long range aim is terrible and you need some hard practice, you can go to Assault arcade mode and try to flank the spawning NPCs (This will also let you realize, that even top rank tanks have to fear the 25 mm shells, which will become relevant in the future)

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 As an example of a flanker role with full APDS belt, the VBC at times can be used effectively in urban combat. If you pick a side street to set up, when the enemy goes past (hopefully without seeing you), you will be able to hit them in the side with your main 25 mm cannon. Sometimes, you can even do a drive-by attack and finish them off by firing APDS into the engine deck. By doing this you can become quite the annoyance to the enemy team as there's not much they can do to stop you, as the car moves faster than turret tracking of most tanks. If you've been spotted, however, you will need to move away as quickly as possible to avoid being cornered. The VBC, although being fast, is not very survivable. Its armour is only good against machine gun fire (don't forget to angle the hull when flanked by an MBT!) and low level autocannon fire from the front. An adequate enemy MBT will make short work of you if they know where you are. One of the many weaknesses of the VBC is the fact that it also has a big profile which usually means hiding is not possible at times.
-Upon researching laser rangefinder, the car can flank over great distances as well. It's no secret that a lot of snipers and light tanks do not like to fire on the move, especially broadside, so you can figure out their routes towards the sniping spot and intercept them by firing on their sides from 1.2 km or further. At worst, you can give them a pause and destroy their engine, then point them out for your allies and leave. At best, you will be able to destroy one or more of them outright, but you should never overstay your welcome, as even one angry sniper might precisely point out your position for others, or even destroy you himself. If your long range aim is terrible and you need some hard practice, you can go to Assault arcade mode and try to flank the spawning NPCs (This will also let you realize, that even top tier tanks have to fear the 25 mm shells, which will become relevant in the future)
+Upon researching laser rangefinder, the car can flank over great distances as well. It's no secret that a lot of snipers and light tanks do not like to fire on the move, especially broadside, so you can figure out their routes towards the sniping spot and intercept them by firing on their sides from 1.2 km or further. At worst, you can give them a pause and destroy their engine, then point them out for your allies and leave. At best, you will be able to destroy one or more of them outright, but you should never overstay your welcome, as even one angry sniper might precisely point out your position for others, or even destroy you himself. If your long range aim is terrible and you need some hard practice, you can go to Assault arcade mode and try to flank the spawning NPCs (This will also let you realize, that even top rank tanks have to fear the 25 mm shells, which will become relevant in the future)
 [[File:VBC prototype ambush.jpg|thumb|right|Remember to pace yourself properly and to use both APDS belts, there is no telling when something else will come over the corner to end your mind games.]]
 Once you research the important modifications for this vehicle (both APDS and APFSDS, mobility and thermals), your offensive capabilities are greatly improved. The VBC has a 25 mm Oerlikon-Buhrle cannon of SIDAM, so you can expect similar anti-tank performance. The stock belt for the 25 mm cannon is not too good at dealing with ground enemies, but once the APDS or APFSDS belt is unlocked, the VBC PT2 can easily make short work of MBTs and light vehicles from the sides or the rear, sometimes even at extreme angles. Many of the tanks in full downtier are just food for the VBC and can't sustain even frontal attack, for example German 8.0 tanks stand literally no chance against it if it fires first, as it can literally double tap them through the turret. Sadly, unlike the future [[Freccia]], the VBC doesn't have ATGMs, so some vigilance is required even when having an upper hand, as at any moment more armoured foes could present themselves. In such case, remember the lessons of the BTR-80A - dismantle difficult opponents, then go behind them to finish the job or call allies (or even just bomb them when playing Arcade).
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 * Light protection against HMGs and low-level 20 mm autocannon fire
 * LWS can save it from a random airstrike or snipe in an uptier
-* Can fire behind itself
+* Can fire behind itself without major obstructions
 '''Cons:'''

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 The VBM Freccia is an Italian IFV designed by Iveco and OTO Melara for the Italian army with the aim of replacing the VCC-1 and VCC-2 armoured carriers that were previously in use. The vehicle's history dates back to the 1980s and 1990s when Italy was experimenting with the Centauro tank and modifying it for various roles, under the "VBC" program. Although the program was shelved, the idea resurfaced in the late 2000s, prompting Iveco and OTO Melara to revive their efforts. The VBC PT2 is the second prototype of the Freccia and features the TC-25 Hitfist turret, which is also present on the [[VCC-80 Dardo (Family)|VCC-80 Dardo]] IFV. However, this vehicle does not include the ATGM, unlike the final product [[Freccia]].
-Introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]], the VBC PT2 is a highly effective platform, primarily due to its mobility and the empty space inside the vehicle that sometimes allows it to absorb enemy rounds unharmed. Role-vise, it is a gank jeep, like the [[BTR-80A (Italy)|BTR-80A]], except better in every way possible. The vehicle's armament includes a 25 mm Oerlikon autocannon (also seen on SIDAM) capable of firing a multitude of ammunition, including APFSDS rounds. It also has access to thermals and night vision devices, and players can take advantage of its favourable elevation and depression angles. However, since it is a wheeled vehicle, it may struggle off-road depending on the map. Additionally, since it is a large platform, it cannot hide easily, making mobility key to its effectiveness. The VBC PT2 can perform well against enemy aircraft, but players need to be close to the battlefield for the gun to reach targets, and it is best not to reveal the vehicle's position unless players are certain they can do damage. Overall, the vehicle is well-equipped for its battle rating and highly effective, but players may struggle initially without certain modules unlocked. Therefore, it is advisable to stick with more heavily armoured allies when initially deploying the vehicle.
+Introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]], the VBC PT2 is a highly effective platform, primarily due to its mobility and the empty space inside the vehicle that sometimes allows it to absorb enemy rounds unharmed. Role-vise, it is an all-rounder gank jeep, similar to the [[BTR-80A (Italy)|BTR-80A]], but better in every way possible. The vehicle's armament includes a 25 mm Oerlikon autocannon (also seen on SIDAM) capable of firing a multitude of ammunition, including APFSDS rounds. It also has access to thermals and night vision devices, and players can take advantage of its favourable elevation and depression angles. However, since it is a wheeled vehicle, it may struggle off-road depending on the map. Additionally, since it is a large platform, it cannot hide easily, making mobility key to its effectiveness. The VBC PT2 can perform well against enemy aircraft, but players need to be close to the battlefield for the gun to reach targets, and it is best not to reveal the vehicle's position unless players are certain they can do damage. Overall, the vehicle is well-equipped for its battle rating and highly effective, but players may struggle initially without certain modules unlocked. Therefore, it is advisable to stick with more heavily armoured allies when initially deploying the vehicle.
 == General info ==
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 The machine will not be able to withstand high-calibre rounds such as APFSDS or HEAT shot by MBTs head-on. Overpressure is also a concern, as even HEAT-FS can overpressure the entire vehicle if it hits the very roof or the very bottom (indents near wheels).
-As a driver of this prototype, it is advised that you keep in mind what type of damage an enemy can do to you when facing each other, make the most out of your armour when possible but don't completely rely on it for every engagement. Even in Arcade mode, where crew replenishment may protect the car from one fatal shot, it will still explode if shot straight into the middle.
+Any driver of this prototype is advised to keep in mind what type of damage an enemy can do to make the most out of car's armour when it's possible and to not completely rely on it for every engagement. Even in Arcade mode, where crew replenishment may protect the car from one fatal shot, it will still explode if shot straight into the middle.
 The car makes up its weaknesses by having more awareness-related devices than its opponents. It is one of the earliest vehicles to obtain Laser Warning System - if a modern tank uses laser rangefinder anywhere near it, or a modern ATGM vehicle will aim laser pointer at it, the commander will immediately find out that they are being targeted and where from. Then, car can be moved out of the way of a shell in the second that it takes the shell to reach it. Likewise, car may drop smoke shells to disrupt helicopter automatic aim or to screen itself against an ATGM tank.
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 {{main|Oerlikon KBA B02 (25 mm)}}
-The main weapon is a 25 mm cannon found previously on SIDAM. Even at it's baseline level, it deals the same damage as a 30 mm found on the BTR-80A, but at 2 times the fire rate, put on a very fast rotating turret and is able to aim 10 degrees down, so the weapon is now easy to use and has no blind zones. The weapon is also additionally stabilized and will be absolutely accurate up until 65 km/h (and practically always stable in AB due to tank crew compensating for the wobble). For additional ease of aim, laser rangefinder can be unlocked (paired with LWS). All of this makes the car able to easily intercept enemies both at close and long range.
+The main weapon is a 25 mm cannon found previously on SIDAM. Even at it's baseline level, it deals the same damage as a 30 mm found on the BTR-80A, but at 2 times the fire rate, put on a very fast rotating turret and is able to aim 10 degrees down, so the weapon is now easy to use and has no blind zones. The weapon is also additionally stabilised and will be absolutely accurate up until 65 km/h (and practically always stable in AB due to tank crew compensating for the wobble). For additional ease of aim, laser rangefinder can be unlocked (paired with LWS). All of this makes the car able to easily intercept enemies both at close and long range.
 The gun can overheat after firing about 60 shells in a quick succession, putting the gun on forced reload. This should be avoided, as the belt itself is not actually reloaded and car will be stuck with only 40% or less of the belt against whoever it was fighting before.
-If stuck with no ammo left in a current belt, it's possible to "hot switch" to another loaded belt of a different composition. This takes only 1 second and is better than waiting for reload, practically increasing vehicle's ready anti-tank ammunition pool to 200 with 100 HE shells on the side for aircraft. The swapped belt must be "loaded" for this to work. The swap wont properly work during overheat reload and will only waste time.
+Whenever stuck with no ammo left in a current belt, gunner can "hot switch" to another loaded belt of a different composition. This takes only 1 second and is better than waiting for reload, practically increasing vehicle's ready anti-tank ammunition pool to 200 with 100 HE shells on the side for aircraft. The swapped belt must be "loaded" for this to work. The swap wont properly work during overheat reload and will only waste time.
-Unlike SIDAM, VBC protorype is allowed to carry as much APDS as it wants to upon unlocking the pure APDS belt, and the APDS is able to terminate almost any european tank through the hull from the side in 5 to 10 hits and taking some more shells to destroy Soviet-style tanks, unless hit them directly into fuel tanks. An attack from behind will turn any tank into scrap within 4 shots with rare exceptions. While the fire rate isn't as overwhelming as SIDAM (it's only one cannon), any half-decent focused aim should destroy the target if it exposes the hull even a little bit.
+Unlike SIDAM, VBC prototype is allowed to carry as much APDS as it wants to upon unlocking the pure APDS belt, and the APDS is able to terminate almost any european tank through the hull from the side in 5 to 10 hits and taking some more shells to destroy Soviet-style tanks, unless shells hit them directly into fuel tanks. An attack from behind will turn any tank into scrap within 4 shots with rare exceptions. While the fire rate isn't as overwhelming as SIDAM (it's only one cannon), any half-decent focused aim should destroy the target if it exposes the hull even a little bit.
-At last stages of research, APFSDS becomes available. This doesn't fundamentally change how the vehicle works, but significantly increases angled and flat penetration of the shells. Against any tank, it means that enemy engine is now always accessible. It also allows to obliterate Soviet tanks at shallow angles without any chance of them randomly surviving and gives a real fighting chance against American and Israeli tanks, which could normally shrug off APDS. There is also a minor chance of hitting other light tanks through a dead tank, but this shouldn't be relied upon.
+At last stages of research, APFSDS becomes available. This doesn't fundamentally change how the vehicle works, but significantly increases angled and flat penetration of the shells. Against any tank, it means that enemy engine is now always accessible. It also allows to obliterate Soviet tanks at shallow angles without any chance of them randomly surviving and gives a real fighting chance against American and Israeli tanks, which could normally shrug off normal APDS. There is also a minor chance of hitting other light tanks through a dead tank, but this shouldn't be relied upon.
 Even with APFSDS, the 25 mm is not a godlike weapon and it can't penetrate frontal armour of brawler tanks. If target is not immediately vulnerable, a short burts towards tank cannon will put it into "red" state and will likely make the opponent either whiff a shot or retreat. The same goes for enemy tracks - a short burst of APDS will turn over any tank, ruin their aim and expose them.
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 * Light protection against HMGs and low-level 20 mm autocannon fire
 * LWS can save it from a random airstrike or snipe in an uptier
 '''Cons:'''
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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* [[Dardo]]
+* [[Freccia]] - Final form of this car
-* [[Centauro I 105]]
+* [[Type 87 RCV]] - Similar tank in Japanese tech tree
 == External links ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The VBM Freccia (introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]].) is an Italian IFV made by Iveco and OTO Melara for the Italian army for the scope of replacing the VCC-1 and VCC-2 armoured carries from service. The history of this vehicle actually dates back to the 1980-1990's, Italy was experimenting with the Centauro and modifing it to see what roles it could peform. This was known as the VBC program, ultimately it was shelved but in the late 2000's the idea returned so Iveco and OTO Melara went back to work. This vehicle is the second prototype of the Freccia featuring the TC-25 Hitfist turret also present on the VCC-80 Dardo IFV. Although the second Freccia prototype had access to the TOW ATGM, in game this vehicles representation does not. In game the VBC PT2 is a very effective platform, mainly due to its mobility and due to the empty space at times enemy rounds will not harm the vehicle. In terms of armament it has access to a 25mm Oerlikon auto cannon which can fire a multitude of rounds, including APFSDS. It has access to thermals and night vision devices, and has very favourable elevation and depression angles that a player can take advantage of. It is a wheeled vehicle however so at times depending on the map, it can struggle off-road. It is a very big platform so hiding with this vehicle is not really possibile, thats why its most effective when a player uses its mobility to get to advantagous points around the map to surpise enemies where they least expect it. Against enemy aircraft the vehicle can actually do well, but they need to be close to the battlefield for your gun to reach the target so its best not to let an enemy aircraft know your position unless you are certain that you'll do damage. Overall the vehicle has everything for its battle rating that it would need to be effective, just try stick with your more armoured allies when you initially pick the vehicle up as without certain modules unlocked a player might struggle.
+The VBM Freccia is an Italian IFV designed by Iveco and OTO Melara for the Italian army with the aim of replacing the VCC-1 and VCC-2 armoured carriers that were previously in use. The vehicle's history dates back to the 1980s and 1990s when Italy was experimenting with the Centauro tank and modifying it for various roles, under the "VBC" program. Although the program was shelved, the idea resurfaced in the late 2000s, prompting Iveco and OTO Melara to revive their efforts. The VBC PT2 is the second prototype of the Freccia and features the TC-25 Hitfist turret, which is also present on the [[VCC-80 Dardo (Family)|VCC-80 Dardo]] IFV. However, this vehicle does not include the TOW ATGM.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]].
+The VBM Freccia (introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]].) is an Italian IFV made by Iveco and OTO Melara for the Italian army for the scope of replacing the VCC-1 and VCC-2 armoured carries from service. The history of this vehicle actually dates back to the 1980-1990's, Italy was experimenting with the Centauro and modifing it to see what roles it could peform. This was known as the VBC program, ultimately it was shelved but in the late 2000's the idea returned so Iveco and OTO Melara went back to work. This vehicle is the second prototype of the Freccia featuring the TC-25 Hitfist turret also present on the VCC-80 Dardo IFV. Although the second Freccia prototype had access to the TOW ATGM, in game this vehicles representation does not. In game the VBC PT2 is a very effective platform, mainly due to its mobility and due to the empty space at times enemy rounds will not harm the vehicle. In terms of armament it has access to a 25mm Oerlikon auto cannon which can fire a multitude of rounds, including APFSDS. It has access to thermals and night vision devices, and has very favourable elevation and depression angles that a player can take advantage of. It is a wheeled vehicle however so at times depending on the map, it can struggle off-road. It is a very big platform so hiding with this vehicle is not really possibile, thats why its most effective when a player uses its mobility to get to advantagous points around the map to surpise enemies where they least expect it. Against enemy aircraft the vehicle can actually do well, but they need to be close to the battlefield for your gun to reach the target so its best not to let an enemy aircraft know your position unless you are certain that you'll do damage. Overall the vehicle has everything for its battle rating that it would need to be effective, just try stick with your more armoured allies when you initially pick the vehicle up as without certain modules unlocked a player might struggle.
 == General info ==

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	Following the procurement of the Centauro into service by the Italian armed forces, the designer consortium, made up of the IVECO and OTO Melara companies, continued work on the design in an effort to create further, complementing variants. One such variant would be conceived as an IFV, equipped with a further developed turret used on the tracked Dardo IFV, which would later become the Hitfist turret.		Following the procurement of the Centauro into service by the Italian armed forces, the designer consortium, made up of the IVECO and OTO Melara companies, continued work on the design in an effort to create further, complementing variants. One such variant would be conceived as an IFV, equipped with a further developed turret used on the tracked Dardo IFV, which would later become the Hitfist turret.

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 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=it_vbc_pt2 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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-| Coaxial || 4,600 (200) || 1,200 || N/A || N/A
+| Coaxial || 4,600 (200) || 801 || N/A || N/A
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-| Pintle || 2,000 (200) || 1,200 || -8°/+20° || -160°/+60°
+| Pintle || 2,000 (200) || 801 || -8°/+20° || -160°/+60°
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 * '''PMB 090:''' {{Annotation|APFSDS|Armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot}}
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+{{:Oerlikon KBA B02 (25 mm)/Ammunition|APDS, HEI-T*, APFSDS}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====