V-12D - Revision history

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was the other variant of the Vultee V-1 airliner which was then converted into attackers used by NRAAF. After the deal of V-11 for the Nationalist government and the total outbreak of the Sino-Japanese War, the government purchased the newer V-12 series with an upgraded engine and slightly better armaments to further strengthen the air force against the Japanese forces; due to the blockade of Chinese waters and sparse on information, there were only 3 to 4 of them ever made it to Mainland China as SKD kits for Chinese aircraft factory after their retreat to Yunnan. Some of these parts were soon shipped to the British Raj (India) but no further records of any of these aircraft ever assembled or served in battles.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was the other variant of the Vultee V-1 airliner which was then converted into attackers used by NRAAF. After the deal of V-11 for the Nationalist government and the total outbreak of the Sino-Japanese War, the government purchased the newer V-12 series with an upgraded engine and slightly better armaments to further strengthen the air force against the Japanese forces; due to the blockade of Chinese waters and sparse on information, there were only 3 to 4 of them ever made it to Mainland China as SKD kits for Chinese aircraft factory after they retreated to Yunnan. Some of these parts were soon shipped to the British Raj (India) but no further records of any of these aircraft ever assembled or served in battles.
 Introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]] alongside its brother V-11, although both aircraft look similar and carry identical, lacklustre ground payload; thanks to the upgraded engine and rearranged armaments with two .50 cal on nose, V-12D can be said as a better alternative to V-11 once researched and somewhat a makeshift fighter against early fighters if they are careless of their six o'clock (tail).

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was the other variant of Vultee V-1 airliner which was then converted into attackers used by NRAAF. After the deal of V-11 for the Nationalist government and the total outbreak of Sino-Japanese War, the government purchased the newer V-12 series with upgraded engine and slightly better armaments to further strengthen the air force against the Japanese forces; due to the blockade of Chinese waters and sparse on information, there were only 3 to 4 of them ever made it to Mainland China as SKD kits for Chinese aircraft factory after their retreat to Yunnan. Some of these parts were soon shipped to British Raj (India) but no further records of any of these aircrafts ever assembled or serve in battles.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was the other variant of the Vultee V-1 airliner which was then converted into attackers used by NRAAF. After the deal of V-11 for the Nationalist government and the total outbreak of the Sino-Japanese War, the government purchased the newer V-12 series with an upgraded engine and slightly better armaments to further strengthen the air force against the Japanese forces; due to the blockade of Chinese waters and sparse on information, there were only 3 to 4 of them ever made it to Mainland China as SKD kits for Chinese aircraft factory after their retreat to Yunnan. Some of these parts were soon shipped to the British Raj (India) but no further records of any of these aircraft ever assembled or served in battles.
-Introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]] alongside with its brother V-11, although both aircrafts look similar and carry identical, lackluster ground payload; thanks to the upgraded engine and rearranged armaments with two .50 cal on nose, V-12D can be said as a better alternative to V-11 once researched and somewhat a makeshift fighter against early fighters if they are careless of their six o'clock (tail).
+Introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]] alongside its brother V-11, although both aircraft look similar and carry identical, lacklustre ground payload; thanks to the upgraded engine and rearranged armaments with two .50 cal on nose, V-12D can be said as a better alternative to V-11 once researched and somewhat a makeshift fighter against early fighters if they are careless of their six o'clock (tail).
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was the other variant of Vultee V-1 airliner which was then converted into attackers used by NRAAF. After the deal of V-11 for the Nationalist government and the total outbreak of Sino-Japanese War, the government purchased the newer V-12 series with upgraded engine and slightly better armaments to further strengthen the air force against the Japanese forces; due to the blockade of Chinese waters and sparse on information, there were only 3 to 4 of them ever made it to Mainland China as SKD kits for Chinese aircraft factory after their retreat to Yunnan. Some of these parts were soon shipped to British Raj (India) but no further records of any of these aircrafts ever assembled or serve in battles.
 == General info ==

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 * 1 x 500 lb or 2 x 250 lb bombload is adequate against ground units
-* 2 x nose-mounted 12.7mm MG is sufficient for self-defence against fighters such as [[Ki-43 (Family)|Ki-43]]
+* 2 x nose-mounted 12.7 mm MG is sufficient for self-defence against fighters such as [[Ki-43 (Family)|Ki-43]]
 * 2 x 250 lb bombs drop separately, allowing 2 passes though better aim is required
 * Has ventral and dorsal turrets allowing it to fend off some attackers behind it
 * Turns decently with combat/takeoff flaps
 * Good over-the-nose view, beneficial in simulator battles
-* Engine is much more powerful
+* Powerful engine
 '''Cons:'''

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 <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
-Despite its large size, the V-12D is decent at turning although it is outshone by the many biplanes it faces. The acceleration and climb of this aircraft is poor, and is usually an easy prey for any interested fighter. With the use of landing flaps, the plane can enter speeds as low as 120 km/h without stalling, which can be used to stall-trap potential enemies.
+Despite its large size, the V-12D is decent at turning although it is outshone by the many biplanes it faces. The acceleration and climb of this aircraft is poor, and is usually an easy prey for any interested fighter. The new engine with nearly twice as much engine power as the preceding V-11 will make the V-12D handle much better in flight, translating to improved flight characteristics and better odds if forced as an emergency fighter With the use of landing flaps, the plane can enter speeds as low as 120 km/h without stalling, which can be used to stall-trap potential enemies.
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-V-12D is a slight upgrade over the previous V-11, sharing a very similar flight performance. It is labelled as an attacker (strike aircraft) as well so it will have an air respawn. For most of the time, avoid dogfights and keep away from SPAAGs to maximize the odds of survival. For self-defense, the dead-angle under the belly is now covered by another .30 M1919 machine gun. But in dire, its average turn rate is still sufficient to do last-ditch dogfights against heavy interceptors. With a pair of AN/M2 .50 machine gun, it can shoot down most aircraft it might face and strafe open-topped or lightly-armoured ground targets (which are common at its rank).
+V-12D is a significant upgrade over the previous V-11, sharing a very similar flight performance. The new engine, with nearly twice the engine output as the V-11, gives the V-12D better general flight characteristics (climb, acceleration, cruising speed, etc). It is labelled as an attacker (strike aircraft) as well so it will have an air respawn. For most of the time, avoid dogfights and keep away from SPAAGs to maximize the odds of survival. For self-defense, the dead-angle under the belly is now covered by another .30 M1919 machine gun. But in dire, its average turn rate is still sufficient to do last-ditch dogfights against heavy interceptors. One small yet significant change is the replacement of the quad .30 cal MGs with a pair of nose-mounted .50 cal MGs, which have the option to load the highly potent M8 API round, making air-to-air combat a more viable last-ditch option as they will set anything important on fire with enough well-placed shots
 The only two option of loadouts are single 500 pound AN-M64 bomb or a pair of 250 pound AN-M63 bombs, allowing a choice between a higher yield "one-hit knock-out" bomb or the availability of a "fail-safe" second bomb. Although the bomb payload seems insufficient and requires precise hits over the target to score a kill, they are still viable to bomb interwar or early WWII tanks with relatively ease.
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 * Turns decently with combat/takeoff flaps
 * Good over-the-nose view, beneficial in simulator battles
 '''Cons:'''
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 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=v_12d Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 330 || 280 || 280 || ~8 || ~4
+| 680 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 330 || 280 || 280 || ~8 || ~4
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 '''Pros:'''
-* 1 x 500lb or 2 x 250lb bombload is adequate against ground units
+* 1 x 500 lb or 2 x 250 lb bombload is adequate against ground units
 * 2 x nose-mounted 12.7mm MG is sufficient for self-defence against fighters such as [[Ki-43 (Family)|Ki-43]]
-* 2 x 250lb bombs drop separately, allowing 2 passes though better aim is required
+* 2 x 250 lb bombs drop separately, allowing 2 passes though better aim is required
 * Has ventral and dorsal turrets allowing it to fend off some attackers behind it
 * Turns decently with combat/takeoff flaps

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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-V-12D is a slight upgrade over the previous V-11, sharing a very similar flight performance. It is labelled as an attacker (strike aircraft) as well so it will have an air respawn. For most of the time, avoid dogfights and keep away from SPAAGs to maximize the odds of survival. For self-defense, the dead-angle under the belly is now covered by another .30 M1919 machine gun. But in dire, its average turn rate is still sufficient to do last-ditch dogfights against heavy interceptors. With a pair of AN/M2 .50 machine gun, it can shoot down most aircrafts it might face and strafe open top or weakly armored ground targets (which is common at its rank) is also viable.
+V-12D is a slight upgrade over the previous V-11, sharing a very similar flight performance. It is labelled as an attacker (strike aircraft) as well so it will have an air respawn. For most of the time, avoid dogfights and keep away from SPAAGs to maximize the odds of survival. For self-defense, the dead-angle under the belly is now covered by another .30 M1919 machine gun. But in dire, its average turn rate is still sufficient to do last-ditch dogfights against heavy interceptors. With a pair of AN/M2 .50 machine gun, it can shoot down most aircraft it might face and strafe open-topped or lightly-armoured ground targets (which are common at its rank).
 The only two option of loadouts are single 500 pound AN-M64 bomb or a pair of 250 pound AN-M63 bombs, allowing a choice between a higher yield "one-hit knock-out" bomb or the availability of a "fail-safe" second bomb. Although the bomb payload seems insufficient and requires precise hits over the target to score a kill, they are still viable to bomb interwar or early WWII tanks with relatively ease.
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 '''Pros:'''
-* 1x 500lb or 2x 250lb bombload is adequate against ground units
+* 1 x 500lb or 2 x 250lb bombload is adequate against ground units
-* 2x nose-mounted 12.7mm MG is sufficient for self-defence against fighters such as [[Ki-43 (Family)|Ki-43]]
+* 2 x nose-mounted 12.7mm MG is sufficient for self-defence against fighters such as [[Ki-43 (Family)|Ki-43]]
-* 2x 250lb bombs drop separately, allowing 2 passes though better aim is required
+* 2 x 250lb bombs drop separately, allowing 2 passes though better aim is required
 * Has ventral and dorsal turrets allowing it to fend off some attackers behind it
 * Turns decently with combat/takeoff flaps
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Bombload is quite lacklusture for a ground attacker
+* Bombload is quite lacklustre for a ground attacker
 * Low speed, will easily get caught by fighters like [[Bf 109 F-2|Bf 109 F]], [[Ki-44 (Family)|Ki-44]], [[Yak-1 (Family)|YaK-1]]
 * Slow roll rate
-* Turrets with 7.62mm guns are not potent enough to damage robust targets like [[Ju 87 (Family)|Ju 87]], [[Bf 110 (Family)|Bf 110]]
+* Turrets with 7.62 mm guns are not potent enough to damage robust targets like [[Ju 87 (Family)|Ju 87]], [[Bf 110 (Family)|Bf 110]]
 * Rather poor survivability when tailed
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 == Media ==
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-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==

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 * [[wt:en/news/7369-development-v-12d-smooth-start-en|[Devblog] V-12D: Smooth Start]]
 {{AirManufacturer Vultee}}
 {{China twin-engine fighters and strike aircraft}}