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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''UDES 33''', literally ''Ground Group Direct Fire Combat Vehicle 33'') was a Swedish ATGM carrier developed during the Cold War around the 1960s. The UDES 33 was envisioned by the Swedish Army as a way to deliver long range ATGMs to the field in a small and compact vehicle, capable of keeping pace with main battle tanks and other armoured units. It was fitted with the Rbs 55 ATGM, which was the name adopted in Sweden for the BGM-71 TOW developed by the United States. The vehicle never went into production or service.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''UDES 33''', literally ''Ground Group Direct Fire Combat Vehicle 33'') was a prototype Swedish ATGM and SAM carrier developed during the Cold War around the mid 1970s. The UDES 33 was envisioned by the Swedish Army as a way to reuse the decommissioned [[Ikv 103]] when they were replaced with the newer and more modern [[Ikv 91]], they wanted an vehicle to fill in a gap that were left in terms of giving anti-air and anti-tank support units a vehicle capable of giving protection, improved mobility in rough terrain and improved ability to keep pace with main battle tanks and other armoured units. There were two prototypes produced and delivered in 1978, one was fitted with the [[Rbs 55]] ATGM the other were fitted with an [[Rbs 70]] SAM, through extensive trials in the early 1980s which would conclude that the vehicles were seen in a positive light and they would be approved for production, but some alteration to the chassis mainly and some components would be changed to the vehicle and the {{PAGENAME}} would be the foundation for the end productions that would be later designated as [[Lvrbv 701]] and [[Pvrbv 551]] in the Swedish Army.
 It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. The UDES 33 is a very interesting tank destroyer for its BR, comparable to other ATGM carriers like the M113A1 TOW in Italy and China. The armour is non-existent and is not even capable of stopping 12.7 mm shots, in some cases 7.62 mm LMGs can penetrate the weak sides of the vehicle. The armament is the Rbs 55 ATGM, which, while decent, its not capable of consistently dealing with some tanks like the T-55AMD-1, especially since it has an APS system. Compared to other ATGM carriers it is very standard, ambushing enemy tanks or staying very far away from the frontline are both good choices, especially since the Rbs 55 out-ranges most cannons.

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 '''Cons:'''
 * Open-topped tank, the gunner is exposed to direct MG fire, shrapnel from gunner hit can enter the interior as well
 * Somewhat long reload time when compared to tanks
 == History ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''UDES 33''', literally ''Ground Group Direct Fire Combat Vehicle 33'') was a Swedish ATGM carrier developed during the Cold War around the 1960s. The '''UDES 33''' was envisioned by the Swedish Army as a way to deliver long range ATGMs to the field in a small and compact vehicle, capable of keeping pace with main battle tanks and other armoured units. It was fitted with the Rbs 55 ATGM, which was the name adopted in Sweden for the BGM-71 TOW developed by the United States. The vehicle never went into production or service.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''UDES 33''', literally ''Ground Group Direct Fire Combat Vehicle 33'') was a Swedish ATGM carrier developed during the Cold War around the 1960s. The UDES 33 was envisioned by the Swedish Army as a way to deliver long range ATGMs to the field in a small and compact vehicle, capable of keeping pace with main battle tanks and other armoured units. It was fitted with the Rbs 55 ATGM, which was the name adopted in Sweden for the BGM-71 TOW developed by the United States. The vehicle never went into production or service.
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a very interesting tank destroyer for its BR, comparable to other ATGM carriers like the M113A1 TOW in Italy and China. The armour is non-existent and is not even capable of stopping 12.7 mm shots, in some cases 7.62 mm LMGs can penetrate the weak sides of the vehicle. The armament is the Rbs 55 ATGM, which, while decent, its not capable of consistently dealing with some tanks like the T-55AMD-1, especially since it has an APS system. Compared to other ATGM carriers it is very standard, ambushing enemy tanks or staying very far away from the frontline are both good choices, especially since the Rbs 55 out-ranges most cannons.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. The UDES 33 is a very interesting tank destroyer for its BR, comparable to other ATGM carriers like the M113A1 TOW in Italy and China. The armour is non-existent and is not even capable of stopping 12.7 mm shots, in some cases 7.62 mm LMGs can penetrate the weak sides of the vehicle. The armament is the Rbs 55 ATGM, which, while decent, its not capable of consistently dealing with some tanks like the T-55AMD-1, especially since it has an APS system. Compared to other ATGM carriers it is very standard, ambushing enemy tanks or staying very far away from the frontline are both good choices, especially since the Rbs 55 out-ranges most cannons.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''UDES 33''', literally ''Ground Group Direct Fire Combat Vehicle 33'') was a Swedish ATGM carrier developed during the Cold War around the 1960s. The '''UDES 33''' was envisioned by the Swedish Army as a way to deliver long range ATGMs to the field in a small and compact vehicle, capable of keeping pace with main battle tanks and other armored units. It was fitted with the Rbs 55 ATGM, which was the name adopted in Sweden for the BGM-71 TOW developed by the United States. The vehicle never went into production or service.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''UDES 33''', literally ''Ground Group Direct Fire Combat Vehicle 33'') was a Swedish ATGM carrier developed during the Cold War around the 1960s. The '''UDES 33''' was envisioned by the Swedish Army as a way to deliver long range ATGMs to the field in a small and compact vehicle, capable of keeping pace with main battle tanks and other armoured units. It was fitted with the Rbs 55 ATGM, which was the name adopted in Sweden for the BGM-71 TOW developed by the United States. The vehicle never went into production or service.
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a very interesting tank destroyer for its BR. Comparable to other ATGM carriers like the M113A1 TOW in Italy and China. The armor is non existent and is not even capable of stopping 12.7mm shots, in some cases, 7.62mm LMGs can penetrate the weak sides of the vehicle. The armament is the Rbs 55 ATGM, which, while decent, its not capable of consistently dealing with some tanks like the T-55AMD-1, specially since it has an APS system. Comparable to other ATGM carriers is very standard, ambushing enemy tanks or staying very far away from the frontline are both good choices, specially since the Rbs 55 outranges most cannons.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a very interesting tank destroyer for its BR, comparable to other ATGM carriers like the M113A1 TOW in Italy and China. The armour is non-existent and is not even capable of stopping 12.7 mm shots, in some cases 7.62 mm LMGs can penetrate the weak sides of the vehicle. The armament is the Rbs 55 ATGM, which, while decent, its not capable of consistently dealing with some tanks like the T-55AMD-1, especially since it has an APS system. Compared to other ATGM carriers it is very standard, ambushing enemy tanks or staying very far away from the frontline are both good choices, especially since the Rbs 55 out-ranges most cannons.
 == General info ==
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 The UDES 33 performs best when using natural terrain cover, as it cannot take any punishment. It is advisable to sit behind the primary lines of the allied team, and pick enemies off when they expose themselves in the distance. Try to get the most out of relatively high ATGM speed - by firing from the sides and changing positions you can maximize the time it takes for enemies to notice the giant fireball flying towards them, sometimes long enough to get hit by them.
 [[File:UDES fires over wall.jpg|thumb|right|The mediocre launch speed is not always a downside, as it might allow to hit enemy tanks over certain walls.]]
 It's not impossible to sneak closer to the enemy, but be wary of IFVs and SPAAs (or any vehicle with a high rate of fire), as well as the machine guns mounted on any vehicle, as the gunner is exposed entirely, the entire crew is next to him and the hull armour is very weak. The missile starting speed of 150 m/s also means that almost all light tanks have the upper hand at close range. By hiding behind rocks or dead tanks and quickly pushing the launcher out of cover it becomes possible to sneak a shot in when the enemy is not focused.
 You will only have one chance of destroying any given tank, as once you miss or fail they will not let you go and will pursue you until you are annihilated, better tankers might even fire back before the ATGM lands on them, resulting in a double KO. However, some heavy tanks have an irrational fear of ATGM and will not push even when they clearly have an advantage, as long as you don't push your luck as well.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''UDES 33''', literally ''Ground Group Direct Fire Combat Vehicle 33'') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''UDES 33''', literally ''Ground Group Direct Fire Combat Vehicle 33'') was a Swedish ATGM carrier developed during the Cold War around the 1960s. The '''UDES 33''' was envisioned by the Swedish Army as a way to deliver long range ATGMs to the field in a small and compact vehicle, capable of keeping pace with main battle tanks and other armored units. It was fitted with the Rbs 55 ATGM, which was the name adopted in Sweden for the BGM-71 TOW developed by the United States. The vehicle never went into production or service.
 == General info ==
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 *Heavy tanks: The UDES 33 can perform well at 6.7-7.3, but the angle of armour on many German tanks should be considered before engaging. At a higher BR, the missile will only penetrate if hit them as flat as possible.
 [[File:UDES 33 stuck in a draw.jpg|thumb|right|On one hand UDES 33 is a decent ambush tank. On other hand, if you meet one of these and fail to destroy them on the first launch, you become a sitting duck since you can't just trade the gunner to remove it.]]
 *Soviet medium tanks: Attack their left side (right side for you) to deal guaranteed damage, the fuel tank on the other side is way too good at blocking Rbs 55 despite potential of fatal damage. It might force some opponent to stop and use FPE, but any reasonable person will first destroy the UDES 33 and only then start repairing. Needless to say, some enemies might not even have FPE and it will set them into berserker mode, then they will simply rush forward to end you specifically, as they have nothing to lose. If enemy is exposed entirely, you can hit the inner side of their tracks (aim for the wheels) to instantly destroy them via overpressure. This does not work if you hit the tracks from outside or hit the ground under the tank, so make the shot count.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=sw_udes_33 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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 The thickest plate on the UDES 33 front is 18.5 mm, and all armour plates are rolled homogeneous steel. However, the sides are only 7 mm thick, meaning that the hull will not stand up to anything, not even LMG or distant artillery hits. The sides will also detonate light tank APHE on glancing hit.
 [[File:UDES 33 cover control.jpg|thumb|right|Self-control is required in a street battle, but it is possible to hide behind an ally (or their husk) to deny area access for a while]]
 Since the armour cannot be relied on, the stealth and terrain compatibility is all the UDES 33 has. In a straight fight, the hull can be hidden behind any medium tank hull or a rock, the gunner is standing on the left side and can be hidden behind tank turret or a tall rock. The carrier must attack from behind cover, by only exposing the launcher (going to the right out of cover) without exposing the hull if possible. In that case, only the launcher is momentarily visible and the opponent might not immediately fire MG or explosives at it. In the case APHE or APDS is fired, the gunner still immediately gets knocked out and the launcher is broken, but the carrier might live on and retreat.
+{{Clear}}
 === Mobility ===
 {{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
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 One of the strong sides of UDES 33 is the 3D mobility. While this is not enough to compensate for visibility mechanics in AB, if used to the limit, it might allow to climb up a tall hill or a rock nobody is currently looking at and cause disbelief in enemy mind for long enough to launch the missile and disappear before getting shot.
+{{Clear}}
 === Modifications and economy ===
 {{Specs-Economy}}

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{{:Rbs 55/Ammunition|RB 55}}
+{{:Rbs 55/Ammunition|RB 55B, RB 55C}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 Until the "parts" are researched, avoid taking damage to the launcher, as it will be impossible to fire until the launcher is completely repaired - the field repair does not help.
-As an upside, the launcher depression allows to aim the missile straight at enemy tanks even at very awkward angles and it isn't impossible to use against helicopters as well. However, most of the tanks at the battle-rating also have roof-mounted MG and should be able to hard counter UDES 33 if they see it first. Fortunately, the missiles have enough explosive mass to overpressure plates of 20 mm RHA, which means that it can, with some effort, implode tanks like the [[SU-122-54]] or [[Leopard 1]] by attacking their roof (directly or by hitting the commander cupola) and will annihilate many light tanks by just hitting their ATGM launchers or turrets. The overpressure damage can also be used against most tanks with weak bottom armour by hitting the track wheels from underneath the tank itself.
+As an upside, the launcher depression allows to aim the missile straight at enemy tanks even at very awkward angles and it isn't impossible to use against helicopters as well. However, most of the tanks at the battle-rating also have roof-mounted MG and should be able to hard counter UDES 33 if they see it first. Fortunately, the missiles have enough explosive mass to overpressurize plates of 20 mm RHA, which means that it can, with some effort, implode tanks like the [[SU-122-54]] or [[Leopard 1]] by attacking their roof (directly or by hitting the commander cupola) and will annihilate many light tanks by just hitting their ATGM launchers or turrets. The overpressure damage can also be used against most tanks with weak bottom armour by hitting the track wheels from underneath the tank.
 The missile starting speed is about 150 m/s, but it will accelerate towards 300 m/s in a second, at 300 m the time of arrival is about 2 seconds, at 900 m it is 4 seconds. This makes the carrier fighting style more long-range centric.
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 [[File:UDES 33 countersnipes.jpg|thumb|right|Try to pick off any sniper that isn't paying attention. In AB, You can double down on their tunnel vision by firing from generally impossible spots.]]
 The UDES 33 performs best when using natural terrain cover, as it cannot take any punishment. It is advisable to sit behind the primary lines of the allied team, and pick enemies off when they expose themselves in the distance. Try to get the most out of relatively high ATGM speed - by firing from the sides and changing positions you can maximize the time it takes for enemies to notice the giant fireball flying towards them, sometimes long enough to get hit by them.
-[[File:UDES fires over wall.jpg|thumb|right|The mediocre launch speed is not always bad, as it might allow to hit enemy tanks over certain walls.]]
+[[File:UDES fires over wall.jpg|thumb|right|The mediocre launch speed is not always a downside, as it might allow to hit enemy tanks over certain walls.]]
 It's not impossible to sneak closer to the enemy, but be wary of IFVs and SPAAs (or any vehicle with a high rate of fire), as well as the machine guns mounted on any vehicle, as the gunner is exposed entirely, the entire crew is next to him and the hull armor is very weak. The missile starting speed of 150 m/s also means that almost all light tanks have the upper hand at close range. By hiding behind rocks or dead tanks and quickly pushing the launcher out of cover it becomes possible to sneak a shot in when the enemy is not focused.
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 *Heavy tanks: The UDES 33 can perform well at 6.7-7.3, but the angle of armour on many German tanks should be considered before engaging. At a higher BR, the missile will only penetrate if hit them as flat as possible.
 [[File:UDES 33 stuck in a draw.jpg|thumb|right|On one hand UDES 33 is a decent ambush tank. On other hand, if you meet one of these and fail to destroy them on the first launch, you become a sitting duck since you can't just trade the gunner to remove it.]]
-*Soviet medium tanks: Attack their left (right for you) to deal guaranteed damage, the fuel tank on the other side is way too good at blocking Rbs 55 despite potential of fatal damage. It might force some opponent to stop and use FPE, but any reasonable person will first destroy the UDES 33 and only then start repairing. Needless to say, some enemies might not even have FPE and it will set them into berserker mode, then they will simply rush forward to end you specifically, as they have nothing to lose. If enemy is exposed entirely, you can hit the inner side of their tracks (aim for the wheels) to instantly destroy them via overpressure. This does not work if you hit the tracks from outside or hit the ground under the tank, so make the shot count.
+*Soviet medium tanks: Attack their left side (right side for you) to deal guaranteed damage, the fuel tank on the other side is way too good at blocking Rbs 55 despite potential of fatal damage. It might force some opponent to stop and use FPE, but any reasonable person will first destroy the UDES 33 and only then start repairing. Needless to say, some enemies might not even have FPE and it will set them into berserker mode, then they will simply rush forward to end you specifically, as they have nothing to lose. If enemy is exposed entirely, you can hit the inner side of their tracks (aim for the wheels) to instantly destroy them via overpressure. This does not work if you hit the tracks from outside or hit the ground under the tank, so make the shot count.
 *HEAT tanks, Artillery tanks, HEAT-FS oriented sniper tanks: Since UDES 33 is open-topped, one hit from these will destroy it. Artillery tanks generally ignore UDES, but will shell it with HE-VT if you provoke them or will stand in their way for too long. HEAT tanks like [[M-51]] are clumsy but will attack immediately if you stare at them. Sniper tanks have zero tolerance for ATGM tanks and will chase you to the end of the map if they can, but it's possible to ambush them or blindside them when they don't know where you are. Either way, you will only have one chance to destroy them.
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 * ATGM speed might catch some snipers off guard if used correctly
 * Great gun depression, allowing the vehicle to fire from behind cover by simply exposing the ATGM launcher
-* Technically can destroy many tanks through roof with overpressure before they can even attack it, but hitting such weakspots is difficult
+* Technically can destroy many tanks through roof with overpressure before they can even attack it, but hitting such weak spots is difficult
 '''Cons:'''