Turm III - Revision history

U137327709 at 06:07, 5 November 2024

2024-11-05T06:07:15Z

U38088265: /* Usage in battles */

2024-07-26T12:27:19Z

‎Usage in battles

U119323594: Added tactics to the "Usage in battles" section.

2024-07-01T16:43:59Z

Added tactics to the "Usage in battles" section.

U103691029: /* Main armament */ Autoloader

2024-04-17T02:07:20Z

‎Main armament: Autoloader

U31139476: /* Pros and cons */

2024-03-14T13:01:39Z

‎Pros and cons

U108069304: Changed some wording

2024-02-28T20:07:39Z

Changed some wording

U26388810: Removed the mobility "Pro" as it is inaccurate because it only applies when the Vehicle drives down a hill for a prolonged time. On a straight surface it might apply but usually the vehicle will travel with a max amount of about 50km/h.

2024-02-28T12:49:48Z

Removed the mobility "Pro" as it is inaccurate because it only applies when the Vehicle drives down a hill for a prolonged time. On a straight surface it might apply but usually the vehicle will travel with a max amount of about 50km/h.

U38088265: Undo revision 162201 by U105209734 (talk). Plagiarism from https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/tc0tnl/comment/i0alv18

2023-05-10T09:53:50Z

Undo revision 162201 by U105209734 (talk). Plagiarism from https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/tc0tnl/comment/i0alv18

U105209734: /* History */

2023-05-10T08:06:51Z

‎History

U44280144: /* Pros and cons */

2023-05-03T13:37:58Z

‎Pros and cons

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 * Weak armour can cause some shells to over-penetrate and do almost nothing
 * Familiar Leopard 1 chassis
 '''Cons:'''

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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The Turm III has a good amount of firepower with both its 105mm cannon as well as the 30mm autocannon. This can be taken advantage of in open areas to quickly penetrate the armor of enemies with APDS. Light vehicles can also easily be penetrated by the 30mm autocannon, making it easy to spray opponents with a 30mm while the main arnament is still reloading. Due to its weak armor which is penetrable by most MBTs, it should not necessarily be used to attack head on. However, the Turm III gets ahead of most MBTs in mobility, which allows it to rush capture points or quickly get to a position. Although the Turm has limited elevation, it is still suitable for anti-aircraft purposes, and easily defeats straying helicopters and aircraft within range.
+The Turm III has a good amount of firepower, courtesy of both its 105 mm cannon and the 30 mm autocannon. This can be taken advantage of in open areas to quickly penetrate the armour of enemies with APDS. Light vehicles can also easily be penetrated by the 30 mm autocannon, making it easy to spray opponents with the 30 mm while the main armament is reloading. Although the 30 mm has limited elevation, it can still be suitable for anti-aircraft purposes and easily defeats helicopters and aircraft that stray within range.
-In conclusion, the Turm III allows for a diverse and interesting playstyle, with both an agressive but also passive setting. With its mobility, you can rush a capture point, get behind cover quickly, and more. The powerful 105mm coupled with APDS allows you to penetrate most MBTs with precision, and the 30mm makes most helicopters and light vehicles/SPAA shreddable. The Turm III can also be a strong support vehicle, providing firepower and speed at the same time.
+Due to its weak armour, which is penetrable by most MBTs, it's not necessarily best to use the Turm III to attack head-on. However, it is ahead of most MBTs in terms of mobility, allowing it to rush capture points, get into favourable positions, or quickly retreat into cover when necessary.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
 * First stage ammo rack houses all of the ammo
 * Has a fast autoloader for the main armament
 * Has an autocannon for coaxial weapon that can defeat even some MBTs through the side armour

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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+The Turm III has a good amount of firepower with both its 105mm cannon as well as the 30mm autocannon. This can be taken advantage of in open areas to quickly penetrate the armor of enemies with APDS. Light vehicles can also easily be penetrated by the 30mm autocannon, making it easy to spray opponents with a 30mm while the main arnament is still reloading. Due to its weak armor which is penetrable by most MBTs, it should not necessarily be used to attack head on. However, the Turm III gets ahead of most MBTs in mobility, which allows it to rush capture points or quickly get to a position. Although the Turm has limited elevation, it is still suitable for anti-aircraft purposes, and easily defeats straying helicopters and aircraft within range.
 === Pros and cons ===

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-! colspan="5" | [[L7A3 (105 mm)|105 mm L7A3]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="5" | [[L7A3 (105 mm)|105 mm L7A3]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
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 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+!Autoloader
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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 47 || rowspan="2" | ±12° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 22.8 || 31.6 || 38.4 || 42.5 || 45.2 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
+| rowspan="2" | 47 || rowspan="2" | ±12° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 22.8 || 31.6 || 38.4 || 42.5 || 45.2 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
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 ! ''Realistic''

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 * Has a fast autoloader for the main armament
 * Has an autocannon for coaxial weapon that can defeat even some MBTs through the side armour
 * Two-axis stabilizer, unlike its equivalent counterpart, the [[Leopard I]]
 * Weak armour can cause some shells to over-penetrate and do almost nothing

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 * Poor gun elevation, making it difficult to use the 30 mm against aircraft
-Arbeitsgruppe C (Borgward) proposed a design featuring a stabilized autoloading turret for the Europanzer project in 1958. However, they failed to produce two prototypes before the deadline due to the high development risks. Some point later, during the development process of the MBT-70, engineers decided to examine the practicality of triaxial stabilization more closely with a functional model. With a three-axis stabilized turret, you could improve the hit probability by correcting the longitudianl axial tilt of the main gun.In the mid-1960s,  Rheinische Stahlwerke (then Rheinstahl-Hanomag) and AEG (then AEG-Telefunken) developed a functional model. Rheinstahl-Hanomag received the build order; While the electrical turret drives and controls were developed by Telefunken AG.
+== History ==
+<!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
-Turret III featured a 105mm L7A2, a coaxial 30mm HS 831A automatic cannon and a 7.62mm MG3 on the commander's optics. The primary and secondary weapons were rigidly mounted. So, the secondary does not have a directing system independent of the primary weapon. The lower half of the turret was spherical to allow longitudinal axial tilt. The turret was mounted gimballed in a chassis, decoupled from the rotary movements of the vehicle. The left hemisphere of the turret accommodated the crew compartment of three. The right hemisphere housed the ammunition supply and autoloader. The stern of the turret was a cooling system for the crew fighting compartment. The combat weight of the turret was 17.75 tons.
+''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
 == Media ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_erprobungstrager_3_achs_turm Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[Leopard 1 (Family)]]