Turan II - Revision history

U44629479: Added About template

2023-12-29T21:47:39Z

Added About template

U44629479: Undo revision 179294 by U139575037 (talk)

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Undo revision 179294 by U139575037 (talk)

U139575037: A turan tank image

2023-12-23T16:00:40Z

A turan tank image

U68923840 at 23:14, 25 September 2023

2023-09-25T23:14:14Z

U68923840: Significantly improved the description, usage in battles, and see also sections.

2023-09-25T15:48:47Z

Significantly improved the description, usage in battles, and see also sections.

U38088265: /* Description */

2023-09-03T19:11:35Z

‎Description

U17577377: /* Description */ Leaving Broad History For Turan (Family) In Upcoming Patch.

2023-09-03T16:22:51Z

‎Description: Leaving Broad History For Turan (Family) In Upcoming Patch.

U38088265: U38088265 moved page Turan II (Italy) to Turan II over redirect: revert

2023-05-15T12:08:01Z

U38088265 moved page Turan II (Italy) to Turan II over redirect: revert

U44629479: Edits

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		+	\| link = Turan (Family)
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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->Related development
 * [[Turan I|Turán I]]
 * [[Turan III|Turán III]]

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 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''41M Turán II''' was a Hungarian {{Annotation|medium tank|Classified as a heavy tank in Hungary due to its cannon calibre}} that was designed as an improvement over the 40M Turán I. It had a new turret, more armour, and a new 75 mm gun that was based on an old 18M 8cm field gun, outsourced and modified by the Swedish company Bofors. The tank was built from 1942 to 1944, but due to delays in gun optics and ammunition, it only reached units in late 1943. The 41M Turán II saw action on the Eastern Front and in the defence of Hungary against the Soviet invasion. Although it was outmatched by the Soviet [[T-34 (Family)|T-34s]] and the German Allied [[Pz.IV (Family)|Pz.IVs]] with long 75 mm guns, it could still damage Soviet tanks within 500 m, which was better than its predecessors with only a 40 mm gun.
+The '''41M Turán II''' was a Hungarian {{Annotation|medium tank|Classified as a heavy tank in Hungary due to its cannon calibre}} that was designed as an improvement over the [[Turan I|40M Turán I]]. It had a new turret, more armour, and a new 75 mm gun that was based on an old 18M 8 cm field gun, outsourced and modified by the Swedish company Bofors. Around 195 Turán IIs were built from 1942 to 1944, but due to delays in gun optics and ammunition, it only reached units in September 1943. The 41M Turán II saw action on the Eastern Front and in the defence of Hungary against the Soviet invasion. Although it was outmatched by the Soviet [[T-34 (Family)|T-34s]] with their long 75 mm guns, it could still damage Soviet tanks within 500 m, which was better than its predecessor with only a 40 mm gun.
-It was introduced during [[Update "Winged Lions"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season VI, "Firepower"]]. The Turán II is a Hungarian tank that shares some features with Axis tanks, such as the [[LT-38 (Family)|Pz.35(t) / 38(t)]] from Czechoslovakia, which was the basis for its hull design. It has a short barrel gun that can fire powerful HEAT shells with a fast reload time, similar to the early [[Pz.IV (Family)|Pz.IVs]] from Germany or the [[Chi-Ha]] and [[Ho-I]] from Japan. It can perform well in close combat situations, thanks to its good mobility and side skirt armour that can act as spaced armour against weak HEAT and AP shells.
+The Turán II is a Hungarian tank in the Italian tech tree that was introduced during [[Update "Winged Lions"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season VI, "Firepower"]]. It has a short barrel 75 mm gun that can fire powerful HEAT shells with a short reload time, similar to the early [[Pz.IV (Family)|Pz.IVs]] from Germany or the [[Ho-I]] from Japan. The Turán II boasts good mobility, excellent reverse speed and adequate armour protection, making it a well-rounded medium tank worthy of it being sometimes referred to as "the Hungarian MBT". It can perform well in close combat situations thanks to its mobility, high rate of fire, and side skirt armour that can act as spaced armour against HEAT and HE shells.
 == General info ==
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 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The Turan II shares many strengths and weaknesses with other Axis medium tanks at its Battle-Rating, most similarly the Pz.35(t) and Pz.38(t) family of vehicles, which historically it is closely related to.
+The Turan II shares many strengths and weaknesses with other Axis medium tanks at its Battle-Rating, and plays like its predecessor, the [[Turan I]], albeit with a gun similar to that of the German [[Pz.IV F1]].
-The Turan is a boxy vehicle, both the hull and turret are mostly made up of nearly vertical plates, frontal hull and turret armour is thickest at 50 mm. As previously noted, slight angling can increase the effective armour of the Turan. The mesh side skirts give added protection against HEAT rounds. However, the armour overall is average for the BR. Playing the Turan conservatively can maximize survivability as the armour can be defeated by many other vehicles at this BR. The crew of five helps survivability, but they are somewhat close together, and the shells are placed all throughout the tank, including the turret, increasing the chances of getting ammo racked.
+The Turan II is a boxy vehicle, both the hull and the turret are mostly made up of nearly vertical armour plates. It has mesh side skirts on the hull and the turret, which provide added protection against HEAT and HE rounds. The frontal hull and turret armour is thickest at 50 mm, with the sides and rear being weaker with 25+8 mm of armour. As previously noted, slight angling can increase the effective armour of the Turan II. Playing the Turan II conservatively can maximize survivability as the armour is average for the BR and can be defeated by many other vehicles at this BR. The crew of five helps survivability, but they are somewhat close together, and the shells are placed all throughout the tank, including the turret, increasing the chances of getting ammo racked.
-The Turan has deceptively good mobility for a tank of its size and armament. It has a decent acceleration and top speed, and a great reverse speed. The hull and turret traverse are both average. Using the Turan's mobility to find good flanking locations pairs well with its relatively quick reload and good gun depression. The 75 mm cannon has a lower velocity and three different shells. The HEAT shell is clearly the superior round with up to 90 mm of penetration at any range. The APHE can inflict more post-pen damage but at the cost of a drastic drop in penetration, less than half that of the HEAT round. The HE round doesn't have many practical uses, as the HEAT round often is sufficient to overpressure certain vehicles.
+The Turan II has deceptively good mobility for a tank of its size and armament. It has a decent acceleration and top speed, and a great reverse speed. The hull and turret traverse are both average. Using the Turan II's mobility to find good flanking locations pairs well with its relatively quick reload and good gun depression. The 75 mm cannon has a low velocity and three different shells. The HEAT shell is clearly the superior round with up to 90 mm of penetration at any range. The APHE can inflict more post-pen damage, but at the cost of a drastic drop in penetration, less than half that of the HEAT round. The HE round doesn't have many practical uses, as the HEAT round often is sufficient to overpressure certain vehicles.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Short reload time
 * Fairly mobile for its size and weight
 * Quick and responsive reverse of -43 km/h
 * Can bounce shots with a bit of angling
 '''Cons:'''
-* Struggles in an uptier
+* May struggle in an uptier
 * Large profile
 * Cramped turret, a penetrating shot often takes out the whole crew
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 === [[wt:en/news/7524-development-battle-pass-vehicles-41-m-turán-ii-en|Devblog]] ===
 [[File:Turan II History.png|thumb|Turan II during tests]]
-At the beginning of the 1940s, the Hungarian military decided to develop its own medium tank on the basis of the recently developed Czechoslovakian T-21 medium tank prototype. After one test unit successfully passed initial trials in Hungary, several changes were made to the design, including the fitting of a Hungarian 40 mm cannon as well as increased armour protection. The resulting T-22 design would then be officially accepted into Hungarian service as the 40.M Turán in November 1940.
+At the beginning of the 1940s, the Hungarian military decided to develop its own medium tank on the basis of the recently developed Czechoslovakian T-21 medium tank prototype. After one test unit successfully passed initial trials in Hungary, several changes were made to the design, including the fitting of a Hungarian 40 mm cannon as well as increased armour protection. The resulting T-22 design would then be officially accepted into Hungarian service as the 40.M Turán ([[Turan I|Turán I]]) in November 1940.
 [[File:Turan II History II.png|thumb|Turan II tanks before battle]]
-An initial order of 230 Turán Is was issued in September 1940, but production ended up being delayed by several months due to incomplete technical documentation. Production started only in March 1941 after Škoda supplied the complete technical documents, with the first 40.M Turán I rolling off the assembly line in July 1941. However, before even the first vehicle was constructed, the Hungarian General Staff realized the need for upgrading the vehicle and thus formulated the specification to upgun the Turán with a 75mm gun. However, as no such gun could be developed by Hungary at the time, a WW1 field gun was selected to be modified for tank use.
+An initial order of 230 Turán Is was issued in September 1940, but production ended up being delayed by several months due to incomplete technical documentation. Production started only in March 1941 after Škoda supplied the complete technical documents, with the first 40.M Turán I rolling off the assembly line in July 1941. However, before even the first vehicle was constructed, the Hungarian General Staff realized the need for upgrading the vehicle and thus formulated the specification to upgun the Turán with a 75 mm gun. However, as no such gun could be developed by Hungary at the time, a WW1 field gun was selected to be modified for tank use.
 This undertaking was successful, though it required the Turán's turret to be enlarged slightly. The first prototype of this modification, which became known as the 41.M Turán II, was built in January 1942 and entered service in May. In total, around 195 Turán IIs were constructed until 1944. Today, only a single example of the Turán II survives and is on display in the Kubinka Tank Museum in the vicinity of Moscow.
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 <!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
+* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->Related development
-* [[Toldi IIA (Italy)]]
+* [[Pz.IV F1]]
 * [[Pz.III N (Italy)]]
-* [[Zrinyi I (Italy)|Zrínyi I]]
+* [[Ho-I]]
 == External links ==

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 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''41M Turán II''' was a Hungarian {{Annotation|medium tank|By Hungarian ordnance, labeled as a Heavy tank for its cannon calibre}} that was designed as an improvement over the 40M Turán I. It had a new turret, more armour, and a new 75 mm gun that was based on an old 18M 8cm field gun, outsourced and modified by the Swedish company Bofors. The tank was built from 1942 to 1944, but due to delays in gun optics and ammunition, it only reached the troops in late 1943. The 41M Turán II saw action on the Eastern Front and in the defence of Hungary against the Soviet invasion. Although it was outmatched by the Soviet [[T-34 (Family)|T-34s]] and the German Allied [[Pz.IV (Family)|Pz.IVs]] with long 75 mm guns, it could still damage Soviet tanks within 500 m, which was better than its predecessors with only a 40 mm gun.
+The '''41M Turán II''' was a Hungarian {{Annotation|medium tank|Classified as a heavy tank in Hungary due to its cannon calibre}} that was designed as an improvement over the 40M Turán I. It had a new turret, more armour, and a new 75 mm gun that was based on an old 18M 8cm field gun, outsourced and modified by the Swedish company Bofors. The tank was built from 1942 to 1944, but due to delays in gun optics and ammunition, it only reached units in late 1943. The 41M Turán II saw action on the Eastern Front and in the defence of Hungary against the Soviet invasion. Although it was outmatched by the Soviet [[T-34 (Family)|T-34s]] and the German Allied [[Pz.IV (Family)|Pz.IVs]] with long 75 mm guns, it could still damage Soviet tanks within 500 m, which was better than its predecessors with only a 40 mm gun.
-It was introduced during [[Update "Winged Lions"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season VI, "Firepower"]]. The Turán II is a Hungarian tank that shares some features with Axis tanks, such as the [[LT-38 (Family)|Pz.35(t) / 38(t)]] from Czechoslovakia, which was the basis for its hull design. It has a short barrel gun that can fire powerful HEAT shells with a fast reload time (4.3s Base - 3.3 Ace), similar to the early [[Pz.IV (Family)|Pz.IVs]] from Germany or the [[Chi-Ha]] and [[Ho-I]] from Japan. It can perform well in close combat situations, thanks to its good mobility and side skirt armor that can act as spaced armor against weak HEAT and AP shells.
+It was introduced during [[Update "Winged Lions"]] as a reward for [[Battle Pass: Season VI, "Firepower"]]. The Turán II is a Hungarian tank that shares some features with Axis tanks, such as the [[LT-38 (Family)|Pz.35(t) / 38(t)]] from Czechoslovakia, which was the basis for its hull design. It has a short barrel gun that can fire powerful HEAT shells with a fast reload time, similar to the early [[Pz.IV (Family)|Pz.IVs]] from Germany or the [[Chi-Ha]] and [[Ho-I]] from Japan. It can perform well in close combat situations, thanks to its good mobility and side skirt armour that can act as spaced armour against weak HEAT and AP shells.
 == General info ==
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 * [[wt:en/news/7524-development-battle-pass-vehicles-41-m-tur%C3%A1n-ii-en|[Devblog] Battle Pass vehicles: 41.M Turán II]]
 {{Italy medium tanks}}
 {{Italy premium ground vehicles}}

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