T 80 U (Sweden) - Revision history

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‎Main armament: Autoloader

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‎History

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‎Description

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Updated and Expanded‎Description: ‎History

U87139847: I added the armor values, speed, gears and information regarding survivability of the T-80 U (Sweden). These information were missing.

2023-09-06T14:48:21Z

I added the armor values, speed, gears and information regarding survivability of the T-80 U (Sweden). These information were missing.

U90882637: Added brief paragraph in "Usage in battles" and reworked "Pros and cons"

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Added brief paragraph in "Usage in battles" and reworked "Pros and cons"

U38088265 at 23:32, 7 February 2023

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-! colspan="5" | [[2A46M-1 (125 mm)|125 mm 2A46M-1]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="5" | [[2A46M-1 (125 mm)|125 mm 2A46M-1]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
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 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+!Autoloader
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-| rowspan="2" | 45 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 22.8 || 31.6 || 38.4 || 42.5 || 45.2 || rowspan="2" | 6.50 || rowspan="2" | 6.50 || rowspan="2" | 6.50 || rowspan="2" | 6.50
+| rowspan="2" | 45 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 22.8 || 31.6 || 38.4 || 42.5 || 45.2 || rowspan="2" | 6.50
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 == History ==
 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
-At the end of 1993, following the de-scalation after the end of the Cold War, the Swedish army created a programme for the procurement of new MBTs, and held a competition between different tanks, both NATO and Russia participated, Russia was specially interested in securing a contract with the Swedish Army, since it was forced to reduce its military spending after the Cold War.
+At the end of 1993, following the de-escalation after the end of the Cold War, the Swedish army created a programme for the procurement of new MBTs, and held a competition between different tanks. Both NATO and Russia participated, Russia was specially interested in securing a contract with the Swedish Army, since it had been forced to reduce its military spending after the Cold War.
-The T-80U arrived late to the competition and was not able to directly compete with the M1A1 Abrams presented by the USA, the Leclerc by France and the Leopard 2 by Germany. At the end of the competition, the government announced that the Leopard 2 would be acquired and would serve as Sweden's main battle tank during the following years. Thus the Leopard 2A4 was adopted (and later more modern versions) with some Swedish modifications and entered service as Strv 121
+The T-80U arrived late to the competition and was not able to directly compete with the M1A1 Abrams presented by the USA, the Leclerc by France, and the Leopard 2 by Germany. At the end of the competition, the government announced that the Leopard 2 would be acquired and would serve as Sweden's main battle tank during the following years. Thus the Leopard 2A4 was adopted (and later more modern versions) with some Swedish modifications and entered service as the [[Strv 121]].
 While some reports remain classified, some information about the reports was made available for the public.
-* The results concluded that the T-80U was easy and quick to prepare for shallow fording's
+* The results concluded that the T-80U was easy and quick to prepare for shallow fording.
-* It's ability to reposition was severely limited thanks to its low reverse speed compared to NATO MBTs
+* Its ability to reposition was severely limited thanks to its low reverse speed compared to NATO MBTs.
-* The crew has good visibility during daytime but the driver struggles a lot when driving in darkness
+* The crew had good visibility during daytime but the driver struggled a lot when driving in darkness.
-* Compared to the Strv 104, it's much faster to accelerate and has a much higher top speed. Its suspension is also very good and allows high speed movement without much crew discomfort
+* Compared to the Strv 104, it was much faster to accelerate and had a much higher top speed. Its suspension was also very good and allowed high speed movement without much crew discomfort.
-* Performance against obstacles is good, although limited by the lack of self cleaning tracks, so it tends to lose traction
+* Performance against obstacles was good, although limited by the lack of self-cleaning tracks, so it tended to lose traction.
 == Media ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-Following the end of the Cold War, and a subsequent de escalation of the hostilities, Sweden planned to modernize its Tank Battalions. Trials were sustained between 1991 and 1994. The T-80U alongside the T-72M1 and other NATO tanks such as the M1A1, the Leclerc and the Leopard 2A4 participated in this trials. The T-80U however joined very late to the trials, and was not properly evaluated unlike the other designs. The tank suffered from poor visibility and mobility, specially during night time were its optics were deemed much inferior to those fitted by western designs. However the tank did have excellent protection, it was relatively easy to operate, it had a very powerful engine and a good transmission that allowed very high top speeds without much crew discomfort. But at the end the tank was not incorporated, instead, the Leopard 2A4 was adopted as the Strv 121.
+Following the end of the Cold War, and a subsequent de-escalation of the hostilities, Sweden planned to modernize its tank battalions. Trials were undertaken between 1991 and 1994. The T-80U, alongside the T-72M1, and other NATO tanks such as the M1A1, the Leclerc, and the Leopard 2A4, participated in these trials. The T-80U however joined very late to the trials, and was not properly evaluated unlike the other designs. The tank suffered from poor visibility and mobility, specially during night time where its optics were deemed much inferior to those fitted by western designs. However, the tank did have excellent protection, it was relatively easy to operate, it had a very powerful engine, and a good transmission that allowed very high top speeds without much crew discomfort. But in the end, the tank was not incorporated; instead, the Leopard 2A4 was adopted as the [[Strv 121]].
-Introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]], The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a contender in Swedish trials for a possible adoption of new tank in the 1990s, the T-80U is not too dissimilar from the Soviet [[T-80U]]. The most significant difference of the '''T-80U''' from the Russian T-80U in the game is the lack of ''3BM46'' APFSDS round for the cannon. While it lacks the most powerful kinetic round, it still has the same armour and mobility performances for players used to the T-80U playstyle to quickly acclimate to. It has also the same vulnerabilities, weak ammo racks and a poor mobility at least compared to western designs, it still has a superior mobility to the T-72 and T-90, but its other problem is the exposed ammo racks. It uses a carrousel autoloader, which means that the rounds are very exposed inside the vehicle.
+Introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]], the '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a contender in Swedish trials for a possible adoption of new tank in the 1990s, the T-80U is not too dissimilar from the Soviet [[T-80U]]. The most significant difference is the lack of 3BM46 APFSDS round for the cannon. While it lacks the most powerful kinetic round, it still has the same armour and mobility performance for players used to the T-80U playstyle to quickly acclimate to. It has also the same vulnerabilities: weak ammo racks, and a poor mobility at least compared to western designs. It uses a carousel autoloader, which means that the rounds are very exposed inside the vehicle.
 == General info ==
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 '''Notes:''' The armor thickness varies a lot. The effective armor values are often higher than the actual part(steel) is thick.
 '''Suspension:''' Suspension wheels are 20 mm; the tracks are 20 mm, the suspension itself is also 20 mm

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a squadron rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]].
+Following the end of the Cold War, and a subsequent de escalation of the hostilities, Sweden planned to modernize its Tank Battalions. Trials were sustained between 1991 and 1994. The T-80U alongside the T-72M1 and other NATO tanks such as the M1A1, the Leclerc and the Leopard 2A4 participated in this trials. The T-80U however joined very late to the trials, and was not properly evaluated unlike the other designs. The tank suffered from poor visibility and mobility, specially during night time were its optics were deemed much inferior to those fitted by western designs. However the tank did have excellent protection, it was relatively easy to operate, it had a very powerful engine and a good transmission that allowed very high top speeds without much crew discomfort. But at the end the tank was not incorporated, instead, the Leopard 2A4 was adopted as the Strv 121.
-A contender in Swedish trials for a possible adoption of new tank in the 1990s, the T 80 U is not too dissimilar from the Soviet [[T-80U]]. The most significant difference of the T 80 U from the T-80U in the game is the lack of ''3BM46'' APFSDS round for the cannon. While the T 80 U lacks the most powerful kinetic round, it still has the same armour and mobility performances for players used to the T-80U playstyle to quickly acclimate to.
+Introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]], The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a contender in Swedish trials for a possible adoption of new tank in the 1990s, the T-80U is not too dissimilar from the Soviet [[T-80U]]. The most significant difference of the '''T-80U''' from the Russian T-80U in the game is the lack of ''3BM46'' APFSDS round for the cannon. While it lacks the most powerful kinetic round, it still has the same armour and mobility performances for players used to the T-80U playstyle to quickly acclimate to. It has also the same vulnerabilities, weak ammo racks and a poor mobility at least compared to western designs, it still has a superior mobility to the T-72 and T-90, but its other problem is the exposed ammo racks. It uses a carrousel autoloader, which means that the rounds are very exposed inside the vehicle.
 == General info ==
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 ''Family page:'' '''[[T-80 (Family)|T-80 Family]]'''
-At the end of 1993, following the de-scalation after the end of the Cold War, the Swedish army created a programme for the procurement of new MBTs, and held a competition between NATO tanks and after Russia gave 2 T-80U for trial.
+At the end of 1993, following the de-scalation after the end of the Cold War, the Swedish army created a programme for the procurement of new MBTs, and held a competition between different tanks, both NATO and Russia participated, Russia was specially interested in securing a contract with the Swedish Army, since it was forced to reduce its military spending after the Cold War.
-The competition featured M1 Abrams from the USA, which had an old 105mm gun, Leclerc from the French and the Leopard 2 from the Germans, but later two T-80Us from Russia were loaned for both combat and technical trials in the 1993/94 semester.
+The T-80U arrived late to the competition and was not able to directly compete with the M1A1 Abrams presented by the USA, the Leclerc by France and the Leopard 2 by Germany. At the end of the competition, the government announced that the Leopard 2 would be acquired and would serve as Sweden's main battle tank during the following years. Thus the Leopard 2A4 was adopted (and later more modern versions) with some Swedish modifications and entered service as Strv 121
-Due to the government's rapid announcement that the Leopard 2 would be acquired and placed at the disposal of mechanised brigades, the trials had to be prematurely discontinued, and the Leopard 2A5 with some Swedish modifications was chosen and entered service as Strv 122.
+While some reports remain classified, some information about the reports was made available for the public.
 == Media ==
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 * [[wikipedia:T-80|[Wikipedia] T-80]]
 {{Sweden medium tanks}}
 {{Squadron ground vehicles}}
 [[Category:ATGM vehicles]]

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 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
-''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''
+Just like any other Russian MBT, the ammunition is in the turret basket, the middle of the hull. Therefore ammo hits are extremly critical. The gunner and commander are inside the turret which is autoloaded. The commander can take over gun controls if the gunner is taken out. The driver is surrounded by fuel tanks as well as the engine and a part of the ammo stowage. Due to it's bad reverse speed it is relatively restricted when it comes to retreat.
-'''Armour type:''' <!-- The types of armour present on the vehicle and their general locations -->
+'''Armour type:''' The whole Hull: High Hardness Armor, Inside armor: Front: Contact-5 ERA and composite armor | Turret: Cast Homogenous Armor, Contact-5 ERA on the turret face and upper back side of the turret, inside: composite armor | Sideskirts: High Hardness Armor (17 mm), Contact-5 ERA  | Rubber sideskirts (10mm) | Some (not necessary) parts made of construction steel<!-- The whole Hull: High Hardness Armor
 <!-- Example: * Rolled homogeneous armour (Front, Side, Rear, Hull roof)
 * Cast homogeneous armour (Turret, Transmission area) -->
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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
-| Hull || ___ mm || ___ mm ''Top'' <br> ___ mm ''Bottom'' || ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
+| Hull || 105 mm || 80 mm ''Top'' <br>20 mm ''Bottom'' || 50 mm || 20-50 mm
 |-
-| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
+| Turret || 300 -1660 mm ''Turret front'' <br>20-250 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 150 -900 mm || 65 - 1500 mm || 45 - 650 mm
 |-
-| Cupola || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm
+| Cupola || 45 mm || 45 mm || 45 mm || 45 mm
 |-
 |}
-'''Notes:''' <!-- Any additional notes which the user needs to be aware of -->
+'''Notes:''' The armor thickness varies a lot. The effective armor values are often higher than the actual part(steel) is thick.
-=== Mobility ===
+'''Suspension:''' Suspension wheels are 20 mm; the tracks are 20 mm, the suspension itself is also 20 mm
-{{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
+<!-- Suspension wheels are 20 mm; the tracks are 20 mm, the suspension itself is also 20 mm  -->
 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->

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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+The Swedish T 80 U plays just like its counterparts in the Russian tree, albeit without access to the more powerful 3BM46 APFSDS round. It is mobile and can fulfill the role of a good all-round MBT, and can serve as a good backup to the Strv 122s at top tier. It is worth noting that top APFSDS rounds that have close to 600mm of penetration can penetrate its front plate.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Ability to use ATGM
+* Ability to use ATGMs
-* Thermal and laser telemetry
+* Has access to 1st generation thermal sights and a laser rangefinder for spotting and sniping
-* Effective armour at its BR, protected by ERA blocking explosive munitions or some type of APFSDS.
+* Effective armour at its BR, protected by ERA effective against non-tandem ATGMs and some APFSDS rounds
-* Effective acceleration in muddy terrains.
+* Effective acceleration in muddy terrain
 '''Cons'''
-* Does not have the projectile APFSDS 3BM46 available like the Russians.
+* Does not have access to 3BM46 unlike its Russian counterparts
-* Reverse gear is very slow only 11 km/h
+* Slow reverse speed compared to its contemporaries in the Swedish tech tree
-* Very sluggish vertical cannon aiming
+* Sluggish vertical targeting speed
 * Frontal armour on the underbody of the vehicle does not protect against APFSDS projectiles at all
 == History ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=sw_t_80u Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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+|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}_TVD.jpg}}
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