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U44629479: Undo revision 181257 by U165599155 (talk)

2024-02-04T08:00:56Z

Undo revision 181257 by U165599155 (talk)

U165599155: /* Description */

2024-02-04T00:23:36Z

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U28580205: /* Description */

2024-01-04T06:50:41Z

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U120313908: /* Description */ Updated to new description

2023-12-20T04:45:41Z

‎Description: Updated to new description

U38088265: /* Details */

2023-10-12T17:31:30Z

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U105762281: /* Details */ Speed changed (tested in game)

2023-10-11T18:48:22Z

‎Details: Speed changed (tested in game)

U38088265: Undo revision 167047 by U137520595 (talk). Plagiarism from wikipedia:Douglas TBD Devastator and already mentioned previously in the section.

2023-07-22T16:19:00Z

Undo revision 167047 by U137520595 (talk). Plagiarism from wikipedia:Douglas TBD Devastator and already mentioned previously in the section.

U137520595: I added a little info on how much weight they could hold and if there were any left in the world.

2023-07-20T11:33:18Z

I added a little info on how much weight they could hold and if there were any left in the world.

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2023-07-15T22:46:49Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U44629479: /* Pros and cons */ Typo

2023-01-15T07:20:22Z

‎Pros and cons: Typo

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 The Devastator had a short lifespan in the US Navy, even though it was, at the time of its introduction, one of the most advanced torpedo bombers. It saw limited use during WWII since it was considered an outdated design, with a very mediocre performance, however this failure can be attributed to the poor reliability of the U.S. Mk. 13 torpedo. A total of 129 units were purchased by the US Navy before WWII, but the Navy decided in 1940 that the Devastator needed to be quickly replaced by the Grumman TBF Avenger, that was much heavier, but also had a much larger payload and was much more survivable. The Devastator was forced into active service, since the Avenger was still not ready, with 41 being deployed for the Battle of Midway and only four returning to the carriers. Most of the losses were attributed to the lack of radios and communication issues. At the end, the Devastator was an example of the technological difference between interwar and WWII developed aircraft.
-The {{PAGENAME|TBD-1=}} was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]] and is the first usable bomber in the U.S. aircraft line-up. The Devastator is adept at bombing either naval or land-based targets. On maps with naval ships, torpedoes require the naval bomber to release from a very low altitude, a maximum of 340 ft (104 m) or 820 ft (250 m) depending on the torpedo used. For the pilots who prefer using bombs, they can be just as easily dropped on ships as on land-based vehicles. The aircraft needs to fly quite low to the ground to ensure greater accuracy. The lone offensive machine gun does not offer much but can be effectively used to pick off damaged ground targets or even damage a critical module on an enemy fighter, it is also quite maneuverable and can quickly whip around to attempt a second bombing run on a target if there are any bombs left over.
+The {{PAGENAME}} was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]] and is the first usable bomber in the U.S. aircraft line-up. The Devastator is adept at bombing either naval or land-based targets. On maps with naval ships, torpedoes require the naval bomber to release from a very low altitude, a maximum of 340 ft (104 m) or 820 ft (250 m) depending on the torpedo used. For the pilots who prefer using bombs, they can be just as easily dropped on ships as on land-based vehicles. The aircraft needs to fly quite low to the ground to ensure greater accuracy. The lone offensive machine gun does not offer much but can be effectively used to pick off damaged ground targets or even damage a critical module on an enemy fighter, it is also quite manoeuvrable and can quickly whip around to attempt a second bombing run on a target if there are any bombs left over.
 == General info ==

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 The Devastator had a short lifespan in the US Navy, even though it was, at the time of its introduction, one of the most advanced torpedo bombers. It saw limited use during WWII since it was considered an outdated design, with a very mediocre performance, however this failure can be attributed to the poor reliability of the U.S. Mk. 13 torpedo. A total of 129 units were purchased by the US Navy before WWII, but the Navy decided in 1940 that the Devastator needed to be quickly replaced by the Grumman TBF Avenger, that was much heavier, but also had a much larger payload and was much more survivable. The Devastator was forced into active service, since the Avenger was still not ready, with 41 being deployed for the Battle of Midway and only four returning to the carriers. Most of the losses were attributed to the lack of radios and communication issues. At the end, the Devastator was an example of the technological difference between interwar and WWII developed aircraft.
-The {{PAGENAME}} was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]] and is the first usable bomber in the U.S. aircraft line-up. The Devastator is adept at bombing either naval or land-based targets. On maps with naval ships, torpedoes require the naval bomber to release from a very low altitude, a maximum of 340 ft (104 m) or 820 ft (250 m) depending on the torpedo used. For the pilots who prefer using bombs, they can be just as easily dropped on ships as on land-based vehicles. The aircraft needs to fly quite low to the ground to ensure greater accuracy. The lone offensive machine gun does not offer much, but can be effectively used to pick off damaged ground targets or even damage a critical module on an enemy fighter, it is also quite manoeuvrable and can quickly whip around to attempt a second bombing run on a target if there are any bombs left over.
+The {{PAGENAME|TBD-1=}} was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]] and is the first usable bomber in the U.S. aircraft line-up. The Devastator is adept at bombing either naval or land-based targets. On maps with naval ships, torpedoes require the naval bomber to release from a very low altitude, a maximum of 340 ft (104 m) or 820 ft (250 m) depending on the torpedo used. For the pilots who prefer using bombs, they can be just as easily dropped on ships as on land-based vehicles. The aircraft needs to fly quite low to the ground to ensure greater accuracy. The lone offensive machine gun does not offer much but can be effectively used to pick off damaged ground targets or even damage a critical module on an enemy fighter, it is also quite maneuverable and can quickly whip around to attempt a second bombing run on a target if there are any bombs left over.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The Devastator had a short lifespan in the Navy, even though it was at the time of its introduction, one of the most advanced torpedo bombers. It saw limited use during WWII, since it was considered an outdated design, with a very mediocre performance, however this failure can be attributed to the poor reliability of the U.S. Mk. 13 torpedo. A total of 129 units were purchased by the US Navy before WWII, but the navy decided in 1940 that the Devastator needed to be quickly replaced by the Grumman TBF Avenger, that was much more heavy, but also had a much larger payload and was much more survivable. It was forced into active service, since the Avenger was still not ready, with 41 being deployed for the Battle of Midway and only four returning to the carriers. Most of the losses were attributed to the lack of radios and communication issues, at the end, the Devastator was an example of the technological difference between pre and post WWII aircrafts.
+The Devastator had a short lifespan in the US Navy, even though it was, at the time of its introduction, one of the most advanced torpedo bombers. It saw limited use during WWII since it was considered an outdated design, with a very mediocre performance, however this failure can be attributed to the poor reliability of the U.S. Mk. 13 torpedo. A total of 129 units were purchased by the US Navy before WWII, but the Navy decided in 1940 that the Devastator needed to be quickly replaced by the Grumman TBF Avenger, that was much heavier, but also had a much larger payload and was much more survivable. The Devastator was forced into active service, since the Avenger was still not ready, with 41 being deployed for the Battle of Midway and only four returning to the carriers. Most of the losses were attributed to the lack of radios and communication issues. At the end, the Devastator was an example of the technological difference between interwar and WWII developed aircraft.
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]]. The {{PAGENAME}} is the first usable bomber in the U.S. aircraft line-up. The Devastator is adept at bombing either naval or land-based targets. On maps with naval ships, torpedoes require the naval bomber to release from a very low altitude, a maximum of 340 ft (104 m) or 820 ft (250 m) depending on the torpedo used. For the pilots who prefer using bombs, they can be just as easily dropped on ships as on land-based vehicles. The aircraft needs to fly quite low to the ground to ensure greater accuracy. The lone offensive machine gun does not offer much, but can be effectively used to pick off damaged ground targets or even damage a critical module on an enemy fighter, it is also quite manoeuvrable and can quickly whip around to attempt a second bombing run on a target if there are any bombs left over.
+The {{PAGENAME}} was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]] and is the first usable bomber in the U.S. aircraft line-up. The Devastator is adept at bombing either naval or land-based targets. On maps with naval ships, torpedoes require the naval bomber to release from a very low altitude, a maximum of 340 ft (104 m) or 820 ft (250 m) depending on the torpedo used. For the pilots who prefer using bombs, they can be just as easily dropped on ships as on land-based vehicles. The aircraft needs to fly quite low to the ground to ensure greater accuracy. The lone offensive machine gun does not offer much, but can be effectively used to pick off damaged ground targets or even damage a critical module on an enemy fighter, it is also quite manoeuvrable and can quickly whip around to attempt a second bombing run on a target if there are any bombs left over.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American torpedo bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]].
+The Devastator had a short lifespan in the Navy, even though it was at the time of its introduction, one of the most advanced torpedo bombers. It saw limited use during WWII, since it was considered an outdated design, with a very mediocre performance, however this failure can be attributed to the poor reliability of the U.S. Mk. 13 torpedo. A total of 129 units were purchased by the US Navy before WWII, but the navy decided in 1940 that the Devastator needed to be quickly replaced by the Grumman TBF Avenger, that was much more heavy, but also had a much larger payload and was much more survivable. It was forced into active service, since the Avenger was still not ready, with 41 being deployed for the Battle of Midway and only four returning to the carriers. Most of the losses were attributed to the lack of radios and communication issues, at the end, the Devastator was an example of the technological difference between pre and post WWII aircrafts.
-The {{PAGENAME}} is the first usable bomber in the U.S. aircraft line-up. While the OS2Us and SB2Us are capable of bombing, they cannot carry a torpedo or up to 1,600 lbs (725 kg) of bombs. The Devastator is adept at bombing either naval or land-based targets. On maps with naval ships, torpedoes require the little naval bomber to release from a very low altitude, a maximum of 340 ft (104 m) or 820 ft (250 m) depending on the torpedo used. For the pilots who prefer using bombs, they can be just as easily dropped on ships as on land-based vehicles. The aircraft needs to fly quite low to the ground to ensure greater accuracy.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]]. The {{PAGENAME}} is the first usable bomber in the U.S. aircraft line-up. The Devastator is adept at bombing either naval or land-based targets. On maps with naval ships, torpedoes require the naval bomber to release from a very low altitude, a maximum of 340 ft (104 m) or 820 ft (250 m) depending on the torpedo used. For the pilots who prefer using bombs, they can be just as easily dropped on ships as on land-based vehicles. The aircraft needs to fly quite low to the ground to ensure greater accuracy. The lone offensive machine gun does not offer much, but can be effectively used to pick off damaged ground targets or even damage a critical module on an enemy fighter, it is also quite manoeuvrable and can quickly whip around to attempt a second bombing run on a target if there are any bombs left over.
 == General info ==

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
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 * 12 x 100 lb AN-M30A1 bombs (1,200 lb total)
 * 3 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (1,500 lb total)

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 {{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
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 {{main|M2 Browning (12.7 mm)}}
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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 * 12 x 100 lb AN-M30A1 bombs (1,200 lb total)
 * 1 x 2,216 lb Mk.13-6 torpedo
 * 1 x 2,216 lb Mk.13-6 Case torpedo
-* 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs + 6 x 100 lb AN-M30A1 bombs (1,600 lb total)
+{{Navigation-End}}
 === Defensive armament ===
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 The first thing a pilot will notice about the TBD in gameplay is its "rubber-banding" tendency to return to a stable speed of about 250 km/h. The aircraft has mediocre energy retention, especially in a turn or when coming out of a dive. However, it is a stable and easy plane to fly, even in Realistic Battles. Strangely enough, the TBD has awesome acceleration from a standing start. The acceleration peters off after about 140 km/h (just above its stall speed) but makes it a nice plane to take-off, especially from carriers. The armament on this plane is very bad and will get shot down if engaged with a fighter. The TBD is a very attractive target for fighters so climb to an altitude of 5,000 m. When dropping bombs, decrease your throttle to 50% as the bombs are more accurate when flying slow.
 This aircraft is best used in a ground strike role, carpet bombing ground targets with a large quantity of smaller bombs available out of the box, and in this role, it performs respectably. It features a single 12.7 mm MG attached to the starboard side of the engine, with a generous ammo load, but although the TBD has a good turning radius it is not recommended to engage as a fighter. A rear gunner also wields a 7.62 mm MG with a good coverage angle but no coverage under the tail. The 7.62 mm MG is a welcome addition to keep enemies off the TBD's tail but its rate of fire and damage potential are quite mediocre. Aim precisely if you want to hit and spare your ammo. Of special mention is the pilot's telescopic sight, which is at best a novelty in air battles but is immensely useful in realistic tank battles, where one can easily scan and nitpick otherwise hard to discern enemy tanks. Be careful not to get too stuck in tunnel vision and forget to pull up or evade enemy fire.
 It is important to note that the TBD suffers from extremely fragile flaps and gear, at least in Realistic and Simulator Battles; even combat flaps will break off at any speed above about 210 km/h, while the gear rips at about 180.
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 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''

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 '''Cons:'''
-* Prone to wing snapping when pulling 3 Gs flying at mid to high speeds
+* Prone to wing snapping when pulling 3 G flying at mid to high speeds
 * Poor overall armament with limited defensive coverage, with a single 12.7 mm in front and a 7.62 mm in the rear
 * Low sustainable "cruise" speed (200-250 km/h)