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 == Description ==
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-The T-129 ATAK (introduced in [[Update "Drone Age"]]) is a modified version of the A129 Mangusta made by Italy for the ATAK programme of the Turkish Air Force. In March 2007, the Turkish government began negotiations with Agusta-Westland to jointly develop a new variant of the A129 Mangusta, the changes included stronger engines in the form of the CTS 800 and different avionics and optics to better suit Turkish needs. The production variant present in game differs from the Italian CBT also in armament, instead of Hellfires the T-129 is equipped with Turkish made L-UMTAS and CIRIT missiles. The L-UMTAS sadly aren't very effective as their travel time to reach the enemy is very long, meaning that you are forced to wait until the missile hits the target if you actually want to cause any sort of damage to the enemy. The CIRIT however are quite effective especially against less armoured targets. Other noteworthy armament includes stinger air-to-air missiles and a potent 20mm cannon which will aid you in taking out enemy aircraft or enemy ground vehicles. The T-129 can be a great surpise helicopter to the enemy team as the powerful engines allow it to get to the battlefield very quickly. Its good to note the helicopter is not very survivable, if hit by a missile or enemy ground fire it will be destroyed quite quickly. It does have access to Chaff and Flares so if you are close to the battlefield you may increase your chances of survival by using them.
+The T-129 ATAK was a modified version of the A129 Mangusta made by Italy for the Turkish Air Force's ATAK programme. In March 2007, the Turkish government began negotiations with Agusta-Westland to jointly develop a new variant of the A129 Mangusta. The changes included stronger engines in the form of the CTS 800 and different avionics and optics compatible with Turkish weapons. The first serial T129 was delivered to the Turkish army in 2014. By 2024, Turkey had over 50 T129s of various modifications in service, and a number were also supplied to the Philippines and Nigeria.
 == General info ==

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-{{Youtube-gallery|aYYZFFfc_ic|'''Ultimate A-129 Mangusta Guide''' -By Bob Dickinson.}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|aYYZFFfc_ic|'''Ultimate A-129 Mangusta Guide''' - ''Bob Dickinson''}}
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 == Description ==
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 The T-129 ATAK (introduced in [[Update "Drone Age"]]) is a modified version of the A129 Mangusta made by Italy for the ATAK programme of the Turkish Air Force. In March 2007, the Turkish government began negotiations with Agusta-Westland to jointly develop a new variant of the A129 Mangusta, the changes included stronger engines in the form of the CTS 800 and different avionics and optics to better suit Turkish needs. The production variant present in game differs from the Italian CBT also in armament, instead of Hellfires the T-129 is equipped with Turkish made L-UMTAS and CIRIT missiles. The L-UMTAS sadly aren't very effective as their travel time to reach the enemy is very long, meaning that you are forced to wait until the missile hits the target if you actually want to cause any sort of damage to the enemy. The CIRIT however are quite effective especially against less armoured targets. Other noteworthy armament includes stinger air-to-air missiles and a potent 20mm cannon which will aid you in taking out enemy aircraft or enemy ground vehicles. The T-129 can be a great surpise helicopter to the enemy team as the powerful engines allow it to get to the battlefield very quickly. Its good to note the helicopter is not very survivable, if hit by a missile or enemy ground fire it will be destroyed quite quickly. It does have access to Chaff and Flares so if you are close to the battlefield you may increase your chances of survival by using them.
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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
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-** 1 x 20 mm TM197B cannon, nose turret (500 rpg)
+** 1 x 20 mm TM197B cannon, nose turret (500 rpg) + 90 x countermeasures
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-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the helicopter, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the helicopter in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian attack helicopter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Drone Age"]] as a [[wt:en/news/7854-development-pre-order-t129-atak-en|premium pack]] but was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/8046-shop-war-thunder-winter-sale-en|2022 "Winter sale"]].
+The T-129 ATAK (introduced in [[Update "Drone Age"]]) is a modified version of the A129 Mangusta made by Italy for the ATAK programme of the Turkish Air Force. In March 2007, the Turkish government began negotiations with Agusta-Westland to jointly develop a new variant of the A129 Mangusta, the changes included stronger engines in the form of the CTS 800 and different avionics and optics to better suit Turkish needs. The production variant present in game differs from the Italian CBT also in armament, instead of Hellfires the T-129 is equipped with Turkish made L-UMTAS and CIRIT missiles. The L-UMTAS sadly aren't very effective as their travel time to reach the enemy is very long, meaning that you are forced to wait until the missile hits the target if you actually want to cause any sort of damage to the enemy. The CIRIT however are quite effective especially against less armoured targets. Other noteworthy armament includes stinger air-to-air missiles and a potent 20mm cannon which will aid you in taking out enemy aircraft or enemy ground vehicles. The T-129 can be a great surpise helicopter to the enemy team as the powerful engines allow it to get to the battlefield very quickly. Its good to note the helicopter is not very survivable, if hit by a missile or enemy ground fire it will be destroyed quite quickly. It does have access to Chaff and Flares so if you are close to the battlefield you may increase your chances of survival by using them.
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-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-* A choice between two presets:
+* A choice between three presets:
 ** 1 x 20 mm TM197B cannon, nose turret (500 rpg)
 ** 1 x 20 mm TM197B cannon + 90 x countermeasures
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 == Usage in battles ==
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-The T-129 can be a great helicopter for its battle rating if used correctly both in downtiers and uptiers. For Ground RB, it is recommended you bring in one of the many Italian light vehicles which are able to scout, and also have access to the "Air strike" modification. This will mean that once you have captured a point, and scouted a vehicle, you'll be able to get into the helicopter relatively early during a match. This is the best strategy as if you manage to pull it off inside a match that has only just started without any enemy AA, you will likely surprise unsuspecting enemies who might think it's still to early to worry about enemy aircraft. The T-129 Atak plays relatively similarly to the A129 CBT and A129 International helicopters inside of the Italian tree. Although there are some key differences which are to be taken note of.
+The T-129 can be a great helicopter for its battle rating if used correctly both in downtiers and uptiers. For Ground RB, it is recommended you bring in one of the many Italian light vehicles which are able to scout, and also have access to the "Air strike" modification. This will mean that once you have captured a point, and scouted a vehicle, you'll be able to get into the helicopter relatively early during a match. This is the best strategy as if you manage to pull it off inside a match that has only just started without any enemy AA, you will likely surprise unsuspecting enemies who might think it's still too early to worry about enemy aircraft. The T-129 Atak plays relatively similarly to the A129 CBT and A129 International helicopters inside of the Italian tree. Although there are some key differences which are to be taken note of.
-The T-129 does not have access to AGM Hellfire missiles, instead it has access to a similar Turkish made L-UMTAS. The main differences between the hellfire is the very noticible slower speed of the missile. Due to this the T-129 is highly ineffective whenever enemy anti air vehicles are present on the battlefield. Most if not all top tier AA platforms have access to missiles which not only will outrange you, but also are much quicker meaning you will not often trade blows with one another. This forces you to play a very reserved playstyle in which you shoot and scoot as soon as your missile hits the intended target. You will be put at a serious disadvantage because you will need to be very close to the battlefield if you want to have a somewhat equal chance at helping out your team by taking out enemy ground vehicles. What the L-UMTAS missiles are actually quite good at however is being able to adjust their trajectory on enemy vehicles, this is due to the slow speed of the missile meaning it has more time to change direction. Another positive aspect of the missile is that when it hits, it will very likely take an enemy out in one hit, which doesn't often happen with Hellfires on more armoured foes. Another weapon system the T-129 has access to is the Turkish made laser guided CIRIT missiles, which you may take up to 16 missiles with you if you so choose. These aren't very accurate from longer range, once again it forces the player to be closer to the battlefield. This weapon system is capable of dishing out a lot of damage on lightly armoured vehicles, and is one of the best counters to enemy air defence. Unlike the L-UMTAS, the CIRIT are much quicker and if an enemy is not moving will mean that the missile will often hit its targets. In a match its best if you just focus on getting those missiles to an enemy as soon as you spot them because you do become a sitting duck whilst you wait for the missiles to reach the target.
+The T-129 does not have access to AGM Hellfire missiles, instead it has access to a similar Turkish made L-UMTAS. The main difference compared to the Hellfire is the very noticeable slower speed of the missile. Due to this the T-129 is highly ineffective whenever enemy anti air vehicles are present on the battlefield. Most if not all top tier AA platforms have access to missiles which not only will outrange you, but also are much quicker meaning you will not often trade blows with one another. This forces you to play a very reserved playstyle in which you shoot and scoot as soon as your missile hits the intended target. You will be put at a serious disadvantage because you will need to be very close to the battlefield if you want to have a somewhat equal chance at helping out your team by taking out enemy ground vehicles. What the L-UMTAS missiles are actually quite good at however is being able to adjust their trajectory on enemy vehicles, this is due to the slow speed of the missile meaning it has more time to change direction. Another positive aspect of the missile is that when it hits, it will very likely take an enemy out in one hit, which doesn't often happen with Hellfires on more armoured foes. Another weapon system the T-129 has access to is the Turkish made laser guided CIRIT missiles, which you may take up to 16 missiles with you if you so choose. These aren't very accurate from longer range, once again it forces the player to be closer to the battlefield. This weapon system is capable of dishing out a lot of damage on lightly armoured vehicles, and is one of the best counters to enemy air defence. Unlike the L-UMTAS, the CIRIT are much quicker and if an enemy is not moving will mean that the missile will often hit its targets. In a match it's best if you just focus on getting those missiles to an enemy as soon as you spot them because you do become a sitting duck whilst you wait for the missiles to reach the target.
-The T-129 also has access to the AIM-92 Stinger, you can bring a maximum of 8 anti air missiles which will be great to make enemy aircraft avoid you. In terms of mobility and general speed, the T-129 is highly manoeuvrable evem whilst bringing a full loadout of weapons. This is mainly due to the CTS-800 engines which pilots who have previously played on the A129 International may be already familiar with. Some other neat features of this helicopter is the fact that it access to countermeasures, a thermal imaging device and a ballistic computer. These will greatly aid you in both protecting yourself and spotting enemied and accurately engaging them on the battlefield. If for some reason you are close to the battlefield and have to engage an enemy at close range either in the ground or air, the T-129 has access to the same 20 mm cannon installed on the A129 CBT, which is effective against soft targets such as IFV's and most Western MBTs you'll face at that battle rating.
+The T-129 also has access to the AIM-92 Stinger, you can bring a maximum of 8 anti air missiles which will be great to make enemy aircraft avoid you. In terms of mobility and general speed, the T-129 is highly manoeuvrable even whilst bringing a full loadout of weapons. This is mainly due to the CTS-800 engines which pilots who have previously played on the A129 International may be already familiar with. Some other neat features of this helicopter is the fact that it access to countermeasures, a thermal imaging device and a ballistic computer. These will greatly aid you in both protecting yourself and spotting enemies and accurately engaging them on the battlefield. If for some reason you are close to the battlefield and have to engage an enemy at close range either in the ground or air, the T-129 has access to the same 20 mm cannon installed on the A129 CBT, which is effective against soft targets such as IFV's and most Western MBTs you'll face at that battle rating.
 One of the better playstyles of the T-129 includes flying low to the ground, it allows you to get the element of surprise and keeps you safe from potential SPAAs. You're also able to retreat faster as the helicopter is usually at maximum speed. However, crashing is more likely and entering the battlefield will have you subjected to a hail of bullets. If you bleed all of your speed in a turn, you will be a sitting duck and finding good targets is way harder while flying at 230 km/h just a few feet off the ground through a warzone. The T-129's engines are also a little weak if you decide to over-rev them, so make sure you are flying at the required speed or you will risk them failing and leading to a crash.
-In regard to downsides of using the T-129, sadly unlike heavier gunships such as the KA-52 or Apache, the T-129 is very fragile as it cannot tank as many hits as other helicopters that it may face. If a missile manages to reach you, most of the time it will mean you will be taken out, so its best to avoid situations where they may be an occurance. It can absorb some low level MG fire but once your vital components are shot off, you would need to be very lucky to fly back to a helipad to repair and re-arm. In conclusion, stay low and move fast. Don't let your presence be known to the enemy and surpise them whenever you can to give you the upperhand in an engagement.
+In regard to downsides of using the T-129, sadly unlike heavier gunships such as the KA-52 or Apache, the T-129 is very fragile as it cannot tank as many hits as other helicopters that it may face. If a missile manages to reach you, most of the time it will mean you will be taken out, so it's best to avoid situations where they may be an occurrence. It can absorb some low level MG fire but once your vital components are shot off, you would need to be very lucky to fly back to a helipad to repair and re-arm. In conclusion, stay low and move fast. Don't let your presence be known to the enemy and surprise them whenever you can to give you the upper hand in an engagement.
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-In March 2007, the Turkish government began negotiations with AgustaWestland to jointly develop a new variant of the A129 Mangusta as part of their ATAK programme for the Turkish Air Force. The agreement, finalized and signed in September 2007, allowed Turkey to domestically produce the A129 airframe with several modifications being made to its avionics, weapon arsenal as well as other electronic equipment. As a result, Turkey was also allowed to export this domestic version to international third-party operators. This Turkish modification then received the designation ‘T129’.
+In March 2007, the Turkish government began negotiations with AgustaWestland to jointly develop a new variant of the A129 Mangusta as part of their ATAK programme for the Turkish Air Force. The agreement, finalized and signed in September 2007, allowed Turkey to domestically produce the A129 airframe with several modifications being made to its avionics, weapon arsenal as well as other electronic equipment. As a result, Turkey was also allowed to export this domestic version to international third-party operators. This Turkish modification then received the designation 'T129'.
 Initially, an order for 51 units was placed, with an option for 40 more helicopters being contractually agreed upon. The first prototype was completed in 2009 and subsequently test flown in Italy at the AgustaWestland facilities. Subsequently, the first Turkish-produced prototype undertook its maiden flight in August 2011. The first units delivered to the Turkish military in 2013 failed to pass trials and were sent back for improvements. As a result, the first full production version of the T129 entered service in April 2014. In the following year, the T129 undertook its first combat mission as part of a counter-terrorism operation in the Turkish Siirt province. In 2018, T129s were also part of the Turkish Operation Olive Branch in northwestern Syria, during which one T129 was shot down by Kurdish anti-aircraft fire.