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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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-! 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs
+! [[FAB-100sv (100 kg)|100 kg FAB-100sv]] bombs
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-! 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs
+! [[FAB-250sv (250 kg)|250 kg FAB-250sv]] bombs
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-! 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs
+! [[FAB-500sv (500 kg)|500 kg FAB-500sv]] bombs
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-! M-8 rockets
+! [[M-8]] rockets
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-! M-13UK rockets
+! [[M-13UK]] rockets
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-! RBS-82 rockets
+! [[RBS-82]] rockets
 | 5 || || || || 5
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-! RBS-132 rockets
+! [[RBS-132]] rockets
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 === Defensive armament ===

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 * [[wt:en/news/7526-development-battle-pass-vehicles-su-8-en|[Devblog] Battle Pass vehicles: Su-8]]
 {{USSR strike aircraft}}
 {{USSR premium aircraft}}

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 {{main|M-8|M-13UK|RBS-82|RBS-132}}
-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
 * Without load
 * 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
 * 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
 * 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
 * 10 x RBS-82 rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
-* 10 x RBS-82 rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
+* 10 x M-13UK rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
-* 10 x M-13UK rockets
-* 10 x M-13UK rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
+==== Custom loadout options ====
-* 10 x M-13UK rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
+{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-* 6 x M-13UK rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
+|-
-* 10 x RBS-132 rockets
+! !! width="9%" | 1 !! width="9%" | 2 !! width="9%" | 3 !! width="9%" | 4 !! width="9%" | 5
-* 10 x RBS-132 rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
+| rowspan="9" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
-* 10 x RBS-132 rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
+|-
-* 6 x RBS-132 rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
+! 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs
 === Defensive armament ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* 8 x 7 mm Machine guns with an high rate of fire
+* 8 x 7 mm machine guns with an high rate of fire
 * 4 x 45 mm cannons absolutely annihilate aircraft on any hit, and have no trouble penetrating the roof of any tank at its BR
-* Wide range of payload options, can carry up to 1430kg of bombs and rockets in total. 2 x 500 kg bombs are perfect for mixed battles
+* Wide range of payload options, can carry up to 1,430 kg of bombs and rockets in total. 2 x 500 kg bombs are perfect for mixed battles
 * Lots of pilot armour, engine armour, and gunner armour to protect from most weapons it faces
 * Rear gunner has good coverage, allowing you to deter any fighter that gets close
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 * Turn time is not on par with other aircraft at its BR. Feels sluggish and will lose energy fast
 * Compression issues at high speeds. It's best not to dive in this plane
-* Significant recoil when firing the NS 45, will cause a bleed in speed.
+* Significant recoil when firing the NS-45, will cause a bleed in speed.
 * Guns mounted in the wings, necessary to set a convergence, but not all shells will hit
 * Guns jam incredibly fast, so short bursts are recommended
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 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
 === [[wt:en/news/7526-development-battle-pass-vehicles-su-8-en|Devblog]] ===
-The team at the Sukhoi Design Bureau submitted to the 1940 competition for for the Red Army Air Force a project of a single-seat twin-engine aircraft with the promising M-71 engines, which were supposed to provide good flight characteristics even when using a large payload weight. After the initial approval of the idea and the first recommendations received from military authorities, the production facilities of aviation plant No. 289 were hastily evacuated to the city of Molotov, since the German army was approaching Moscow. Despite the turmoil and confusion associated with the relocation of production facilities,work on the aircraft’s design continued and went on until the end of the war.
+The team at the Sukhoi Design Bureau submitted to the 1940 competition for for the Red Army Air Force a project of a single-seat twin-engine aircraft with the promising M-71 engines, which were supposed to provide good flight characteristics even when using a large payload weight. After the initial approval of the idea and the first recommendations received from military authorities, the production facilities of aviation plant No. 289 were hastily evacuated to the city of Molotov, since the German army was approaching Moscow. Despite the turmoil and confusion associated with the relocation of production facilities,work on the aircraft's design continued and went on until the end of the war.
 While development was in progress, the aircraft became a two-seater, the engines received an afterburner mode, armor was significantly increased, and firepower increased drastically. The final factory tests on the Su-8 took place only in the spring of 1945, when the attack aviation niche was occupied by Ilyushin aircraft and the latest IL-10 was already in service, the components and assembly of which had been mastered in production. The Su-8 attack aircraft was not submitted for state testing and the project was closed in 1945.

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 * 8 x 7 mm Machine guns with an high rate of fire
 * 4 x 45 mm cannons absolutely annihilate aircraft on any hit, and have no trouble penetrating the roof of any tank at its BR
-* Wide range of payload options, can carry up to 1430kg of bombs and rockets in total. 2x 500kg bombs are perfect for mixed battles
+* Wide range of payload options, can carry up to 1430kg of bombs and rockets in total. 2 x 500 kg bombs are perfect for mixed battles
 * Lots of pilot armour, engine armour, and gunner armour to protect from most weapons it faces
 * Rear gunner has good coverage, allowing you to deter any fighter that gets close
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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 ;Videos

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 == History ==
 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
-=== Devblog History ===
+=== [[wt:en/news/7526-development-battle-pass-vehicles-su-8-en|Devblog]] ===
 The team at the Sukhoi Design Bureau submitted to the 1940 competition for for the Red Army Air Force a project of a single-seat twin-engine aircraft with the promising M-71 engines, which were supposed to provide good flight characteristics even when using a large payload weight. After the initial approval of the idea and the first recommendations received from military authorities, the production facilities of aviation plant No. 289 were hastily evacuated to the city of Molotov, since the German army was approaching Moscow. Despite the turmoil and confusion associated with the relocation of production facilities,work on the aircraft’s design continued and went on until the end of the war.
 While development was in progress, the aircraft became a two-seater, the engines received an afterburner mode, armor was significantly increased, and firepower increased drastically. The final factory tests on the Su-8 took place only in the spring of 1945, when the attack aviation niche was occupied by Ilyushin aircraft and the latest IL-10 was already in service, the components and assembly of which had been mastered in production. The Su-8 attack aircraft was not submitted for state testing and the project was closed in 1945.
 == Media ==

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 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
 The Su-8 has copious amounts of armour, similar to other Russian strike aircraft such as the IL-2. This means the Su-8 can withstand incredible amounts of punishment, especially from machine gun fire. Dual engines allow the plane to return home if one is taken out, and pilot armour protects the pilot in any head-on engagement. The Su-8 should take every head-on engagement possible for this reason. In addition to pilot armour, the rear gunner also has good protection from the front and back of the aircraft.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 * 8 x 7.62 mm ShKAS machine guns, wing-mounted (600 rpg = 4,800 total)
 The incredible NS-45 cannon seen on the [[Yak-9K]] is mounted on the Su-8. However instead of one cannon, the Su-8 wields four of these monstrous cannons. The armoured targets belt can penetrate the roof of every tank at the Su-8's BR, as well as the sides of many lightly-armoured vehicles. There is a price to pay for having such incredible armament. The recoil on these guns is extremely significant, it is recommended to fire in very short, controlled bursts. The recoil on this gun is effectively a stopping mechanism, as it can bleed so much speed when attacking a target, that you'll need to continuously adjust lead for every shot you fire. The gun velocity is pretty good, however it does not compare to the German MK 103 tank busting cannon, which has a much higher velocity. You'll need to calculate for gun drop when shooting at ground targets from a distance of more than a kilometre.
 The smaller calibre ShKAS machine guns are also an important asset to this aircraft's success. They have an incredibly high rate of fire, and the Su-8 has eight of them. This is an incredible amount of bullets, and any soft AI target in Air Battles will be completely obliterated by a short burst. Once again, this incredible feature has a price to pay. The guns have a tendency to jam rather quickly, so short bursts are the key to success. The guns are also mounted very far away from the nose. Gun targeting needs to be set correctly in order for maximum effect, 500 m or so will be good for attacking ground units and spraying at pesky fighters.
 === Suspended armament ===
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 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
 {{main|FAB-100sv (100 kg)|FAB-250sv (250 kg)|FAB-500sv (500 kg)}}
-{{main|RS-82|RBS-82|RS-132|RBS-132}}
+{{main|M-8|M-13UK|RBS-82|RBS-132}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 * 6 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (1,350 kg total)
 * 4 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,400 kg total)
-* 10 x RS-82 rockets
+* 10 x M-8 rockets
-* 10 x RS-82 rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
+* 10 x M-8 rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
-* 10 x RS-82 rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
+* 10 x M-8 rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
-* 10 x RS-82 rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
+* 10 x M-8 rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
 * 10 x RBS-82 rockets
 * 10 x RBS-82 rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
 * 10 x RBS-82 rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
 * 10 x RBS-82 rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
-* 10 x RS-132 rockets
+* 10 x M-13UK rockets
-* 10 x RS-132 rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
+* 10 x M-13UK rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
-* 10 x RS-132 rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
+* 10 x M-13UK rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
-* 6 x RS-132 rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
+* 6 x M-13UK rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
 * 10 x RBS-132 rockets
 * 10 x RBS-132 rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)

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 The incredible NS-45 cannon seen on the [[Yak-9K]] is mounted on the Su-8. However instead of one cannon, the Su-8 wields four of these monstrous cannons. The armoured targets belt can penetrate the roof of every tank at the Su-8's BR, as well as the sides of many lightly-armoured vehicles. There is a price to pay for having such incredible armament. The recoil on these guns is extremely significant, it is recommended to fire in very short, controlled bursts. The recoil on this gun is effectively a stopping mechanism, as it can bleed so much speed when attacking a target, that you'll need to continuously adjust lead for every shot you fire. The gun velocity is pretty good, however it does not compare to the German MK 103 tank busting cannon, which has a much higher velocity. You'll need to calculate for gun drop when shooting at ground targets from a distance of more than a kilometre.
-The smaller calibre ShKAS machine guns are also an important asset to this aircraft's success. They have an incredibly high rate of fire, and the Su-8 has eight of them. This means you can effectively have a fire rate of 240 rounds per second. This is an incredible amount of bullets, and any soft AI target in Air Battles will be completely obliterated by a short burst. Once again, this incredible feature has a price to pay. The guns have a tendency to jam rather quickly, so short bursts are the key to success. The guns are also mounted very far away from the nose. Gun targeting needs to be set correctly in order for maximum effect, 500 m or so will be good for attacking ground units and spraying at pesky fighters.
+The smaller calibre ShKAS machine guns are also an important asset to this aircraft's success. They have an incredibly high rate of fire, and the Su-8 has eight of them. This is an incredible amount of bullets, and any soft AI target in Air Battles will be completely obliterated by a short burst. Once again, this incredible feature has a price to pay. The guns have a tendency to jam rather quickly, so short bursts are the key to success. The guns are also mounted very far away from the nose. Gun targeting needs to be set correctly in order for maximum effect, 500 m or so will be good for attacking ground units and spraying at pesky fighters.
 === Suspended armament ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* '''Excellent firepower and payload'''
+* 8 x 7 mm Machine guns with an high rate of fire
-** 8x 7mm Machine guns with an individual fire rate twice that of most 7mm guns. The combined 8 machine guns fire '''<u>240</u>''' rounds '''''per second'''''.
+* 4 x 45 mm cannons absolutely annihilate aircraft on any hit, and have no trouble penetrating the roof of any tank at its BR
-** 4x 45mm cannons absolutely annihilate aircraft on any hit, and have no trouble penetrating the rooves of any tank at the BR
+* Wide range of payload options, can carry up to 1430kg of bombs and rockets in total. 2x 500kg bombs are perfect for mixed battles
-** Wide range of payload options, can carry up to 1430kg of bombs and rockets in total. 2x 500kg bombs are perfect for mixed battlest
+* Lots of pilot armour, engine armour, and gunner armour to protect from most weapons it faces
-* '''Incredible survivability'''
+* Rear gunner has good coverage, allowing you to deter any fighter that gets close
-** Lots of pilot armor, engine armor, and gunner armor to protect from most calibers of weapons you'll face
+* Gets an attacker airspawn. Coupled with a steady climb, it's a good choice for intercepting bombers
-** Rear gunner has good coverage, allowing you to deter any fighter that gets close
+* Landing flaps can significantly increase turn time
 '''Cons:'''
-* '''Performance Issues'''
+* Turn time is not on par with other aircraft at its BR. Feels sluggish and will lose energy fast
-** Turn time is not on par with other aircraft at its BR. Feels sluggish and will lose energy fast
+* Compression issues at high speeds. It's best not to dive in this plane
-** Compression issues at high speeds. It's best not to dive in this plane
+* Significant recoil when firing the NS 45, will cause a bleed in speed.
-* '''Weaponry Issues'''
+* Guns mounted in the wings, necessary to set a convergence, but not all shells will hit
-** Significant recoil when firing the NS 45, will cause a bleed in speed.
+* Guns jam incredibly fast, so short bursts are recommended
-** Guns mounted in the wings, necessary to set a convergence, but not all shells will hit
+* Very large target that is easy to hit
-** Guns jam incredibly fast, so short bursts are recommended
+* Gunner provides little protection against heavy fighters and other strike aircraft
-* '''Vulnerabilities in engagements'''
+* No bombsight for mixed battles, a bombing run requires a skilled pilot
 == History ==