Su-2 TSS-1 - Revision history

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */

2023-12-15T22:06:32Z

‎Suspended armament

U134890678: Minor edit, new bomb

2023-12-15T15:31:04Z

Minor edit, new bomb

U44629479: Edits

2023-01-25T23:16:03Z

Edits

U118123450: Usage in Battles

2023-01-25T10:30:17Z

Usage in Battles

U38088265: /* In-game description */ Reformatted

2022-10-20T21:25:08Z

‎In-game description: Reformatted

U44629479: Edits

2022-05-06T11:21:27Z

Edits

U38088265: Edits

2021-03-26T18:10:27Z

Edits

U38088265: /* Description */ Updated class

2021-03-26T10:07:30Z

‎Description: Updated class

U44629479: /* Flight performance */ Added upgraded values

2021-03-19T18:20:15Z

‎Flight performance: Added upgraded values

U3312106: /* Details */ Corrected optimal velocities values

2021-03-12T12:49:33Z

‎Details: Corrected optimal velocities values

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|FAB-50sv (50 kg)|FAB-100sv (100 kg)|FAB-250sv (250 kg)}}
+{{main|FAB-50sv (50 kg)|FAB-100sv (100 kg)|BRAB-220 (1930) (220 kg)|FAB-250sv (250 kg)}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 * 6 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (600 kg total)
 * 2 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (500 kg total)
-* 2 x 250 kg BRAB-220 (1930) bombs (480 kg total)
+* 2 x 220 kg BRAB-220 (1930) bombs (440 kg total)
 === Defensive armament ===

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 * 6 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (600 kg total)
 * 2 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (500 kg total)
 === Defensive armament ===

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 == Usage in battles ==
-The Su-2 TSS-1 is an interesting aircraft compared to its brethren. On one hand you now have improved speed and agility (not to Chaika levels though, so don't go dogfighting). On the other hand, however, you now have half the machine-gun firepower when strafing or showering lead upon the enemy aircraft or ground units. On the third hand, though, you still retain the exact same payload as other Su-2 series aircraft, so ground-pounding ordnance isn't affected. Whether or not such a gain and loss of attributes compared to the previous MV-5 model is worth it is up to you.
+<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-Of special mention is the TSS turret, the most obvious change compared to the MB-5 turret. The TSS being a scarff ring mount means that it loses the ability to traverse directly to the starboard and port of the aircraft (Not exactly a loss when you aren't supposed to roleplay the Bolton Paul Defiant), but you now have increased traverse under the elevators which makes for improved overall defensive coverage of the rear ShKAS machine gun. The gunner is now fully exposed from rear shots, however, so an unfortunate spray of even rifle-calibre bullets can end your sole ability to return fire against pursuers, compared to the MB-5 which requires the rear turret to be destroyed before incoming bullets have a chance to reach the gunner without interference.
+Of special mention is the TSS turret, the most obvious change compared to the MB-5 turret. The TSS being a scarff ring mount means that it loses the ability to traverse directly to the starboard and port of the aircraft, but you now have increased traverse under the elevators which makes for improved overall defensive coverage of the rear ShKAS machine gun. The gunner is now fully exposed to rear shots, however, so an unfortunate spray of even rifle-calibre bullets can end your sole ability to return fire against pursuers, compared to the MB-5 which requires the rear turret to be destroyed before incoming bullets have a chance to reach the gunner without interference.
 === Manual Engine Control ===

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 == Usage in battles ==
-''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+The Su-2 TSS-1 is an interesting aircraft compared to its brethren. On one hand you now have improved speed and agility (not to Chaika levels though, so don't go dogfighting). On the other hand, however, you now have half the machine-gun firepower when strafing or showering lead upon the enemy aircraft or ground units. On the third hand, though, you still retain the exact same payload as other Su-2 series aircraft, so ground-pounding ordnance isn't affected. Whether or not such a gain and loss of attributes compared to the previous MV-5 model is worth it is up to you.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=su-2_tss1 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
-=== In-game description ===
+{{break}}
 OKB Sukhoi BB-1 (Su-2) "Ivanov" Short-Range Bomber with M-88 engine
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 The Red Army Air Force began to use the Su-2 in combat during the second half of 1940. By the beginning of World War II on June 22, 1941, 213 Su-2s were in service.
 == Media ==

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 '''Pros:'''
-* Fastest member of the Su-2 family
+* Agile ground attacker
 * Can serve as emergency fighter if needed
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 In December of 1940, the BB-1 was renamed the Su-2, after designer Pavel Osipovich Sukhoi, and began to be constructed with the M-88 engine.
-This engine, developed in the Tumansky OKB, was an upgrade of the M-87. The M-88 retained the original design scheme (air-cooled, radial, 14-cylinder) and had a takeoff power capacity of 1100 hp.
+This engine, developed in the Tumansky OKB, was an upgrade of the M-87. The M-88 retained the original design scheme (air-cooled, radial, 14-cylinder) and had a takeoff power capacity of 1,100 hp.
 However, unreliable operation caused serious problems. The M-88 was continually suffering from piston burnouts, shaking, and increased oil consumption. Oil splatters leaking from the engine would splash on the cabin's transparent bottom, under the navigator, making it more difficult to aim bombs. In addition, the decision to replace the plexiglass canopy with celluloid was a mistake, as the new material quickly lost its transparency, reducing visibility. Nevertheless, the crew did appreciate the warm, closed cabin.
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 Some of the Su-2s were equipped with rockets. Instead of bombs under the wings, five unguided PC-82 or PC-132 rockets could be installed in each location.
-A new variant of the Su-2 was released in early 1941, featuring the M-88B engine. This modification improved the aircraft's performance. The oil cooler was moved to the midsection and the shape of the hood and suction pipe were changed. The plane's armament was somewhat reduced to facilitate construction. Instead of four ShKAS guns in the winds, two guns were installed, with 850 rounds of ammunition per gun. The bulky MB-5 tail turret was replaced with a TSS-1 turret, with a ShKas 7.62mm machine gun and 900 rounds of ammunition. However, the turret suffered from a number of problems, including a limited angle of fire and difficulty firing when in an air stream. In the spring of 1941, 250 aircraft were produced with the TSS-1. Afterwards, the MB-5 was used. Bomb and rocket payloads remained unchanged.
+A new variant of the Su-2 was released in early 1941, featuring the M-88B engine. This modification improved the aircraft's performance. The oil cooler was moved to the midsection and the shape of the hood and suction pipe were changed. The plane's armament was somewhat reduced to facilitate construction. Instead of four ShKAS guns in the winds, two guns were installed, with 850 rounds of ammunition per gun. The bulky MB-5 tail turret was replaced with a TSS-1 turret, with a ShKas 7.62 mm machine gun and 900 rounds of ammunition. However, the turret suffered from a number of problems, including a limited angle of fire and difficulty firing when in an air stream. In the spring of 1941, 250 aircraft were produced with the TSS-1. Afterwards, the MB-5 was used. Bomb and rocket payloads remained unchanged.
 The Red Army Air Force began to use the Su-2 in combat during the second half of 1940. By the beginning of World War II on June 22, 1941, 213 Su-2s were in service.
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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 {{Youtube-gallery|UDvzWT2BSg4|'''The Shooting Range #28''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 03:22 discusses the Sukhoi Su-2.}}
 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''
 {{AirManufacturer Sukhoi}}
 {{USSR strike aircraft}}

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 === Flight performance ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
-''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''
+<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
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 === Survivability and armour ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
-''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''
+<!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|FAB-50 (50 kg)|FAB-100 (100 kg)|FAB-250M43 (250 kg)}}
+{{main|FAB-50sv (50 kg)|FAB-100sv (100 kg)|FAB-250sv (250 kg)}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 * Without load
-* 4 x 50 kg FAB-50 bombs (200 kg total)
+* 4 x 50 kg FAB-50sv bombs (200 kg total)
-* 12 x 50 kg FAB-50 bombs (600 kg total)
+* 12 x 50 kg FAB-50sv bombs (600 kg total)
-* 4 x 100 kg FAB-100 bombs (400 kg total)
+* 4 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (400 kg total)
-* 6 x 100 kg FAB-100 bombs (600 kg total)
+* 6 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (600 kg total)
-* 2 x 250 kg FAB-250M43 bombs (500 kg total)
+* 2 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (500 kg total)
 === Defensive armament ===
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 ! Oil !! Water !! Type
 |-
-| Controllable || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Auto control available || Controllable<br>Auto control available || Separate || Controllable<br>2 gears || Not controllable
+| Controllable || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Separate || Controllable<br>2 gears || Not controllable
 |-
 |}
 === Pros and cons ===
-<!--''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''-->
+<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
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 == History ==
-''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
+<!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
 === In-game description ===
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 {{AirManufacturer Sukhoi}}
-{{USSR attackers}}
+{{USSR strike aircraft}}

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 {{About
-| about = Soviet attacker '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
+| about = Soviet strike aircraft '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
 | usage = other variants
 | link = Su-2 (Family)
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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet attacker {{Battle-rating}}. It has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27.
 == General info ==

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 |-
 ! Stock
-| 493 || 478 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 25.9 || 26.6 || 6.6 || 6.6 || rowspan="2" | 369
+| 493 || 477 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 25.9 || 26.6 || 6.7 || 6.7 || rowspan="2" | 369
 |-
 ! Upgraded
-| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
+| 533 || 512 || 24.2 || 25.0 || 11.7 || 8.9
 |-
 |}

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 ! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 |-
-| < 350 || < 380 || < 420 || > 280
+| < 280 || < 240 || < 500 || > 190
 |-
 |}