Su-22M4 (Germany) - Revision history

U38088265 at 07:51, 8 June 2024

2024-06-08T07:51:04Z

U38088265: Reverted edits by U31139476 (talk) to last revision by U4349690

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Reverted edits by U31139476 (talk) to last revision by U4349690

U31139476: /* Usage in battles */

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‎Usage in battles

U4349690: /* Usage in battles */

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‎Usage in battles

U38088265: /* Flight performance */

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‎Flight performance

U138562325: /* Flight performance */

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‎Flight performance

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‎Flight performance

U42858531: /* See also */ I added the list with links to other aircraft with variable geometry wings that exist in the game

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‎See also: I added the list with links to other aircraft with variable geometry wings that exist in the game

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

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‎Suspended armament: Updated

U44629479: /* Media */ Added skins

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‎Media: Added skins

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 == Usage in battles ==
 === Air RB ===
-The useable loadouts can vary significantly as it can meet anything between 10.0 and 12.0. Generally any loadout carrying 8 FAB-500s is optimal as it can destroy exactly two bases. The R-60MKs are suboptimal in most scenarios due to how susceptible they are to flares, but excel when launched in "melee" (as in: from behind, no more than 800m away), as they tend to fly past the flares and still hit their target. That said, the Su-22M4 should not be used for dogfighting, instead you should engage distracted or vulnerable targets.
+The useable loadouts can vary significantly depending on the opponents faced in the battle. Generally, any loadout carrying 8 FAB-500s is optimal as it can destroy exactly two bases. The R-60MKs are suboptimal in most scenarios due to how susceptible they are to flares, but excel when launched in "melee" (as in: from behind, no more than 800 m away), as they tend to fly past the flares and still hit their target. That said, the Su-22M4 should not be used for dogfighting, instead you should engage distracted or vulnerable targets.
 A rare but entertaining scenario is when the Su-22M4 meets subsonic aircraft like the [[A-10A Late]] or any [[Su-25 (Family)|Su-25 variant]] as the Kh-29T can in fact be used to engage them and can cause panic as the enemy pilot sees that their flares have no effect.
 === Ground RB ===
-The Su-22M4's performance as close air support is as to be expected. The generous rocket load is recommended as even the FAB-500 bombs need relatively high precision to be effective. The laser guided weapons are quite underwhelming as the plane lacks any form of advanced fire control to effectively target anything smaller than a cargo ship.
+The Su-22M4's performance as close air support is as to be expected. The generous rocket load is recommended as even the FAB-500 bombs need relatively high precision to be effective. The laser-guided weapons are quite underwhelming as the plane lacks any form of advanced fire control to effectively target anything smaller than a cargo ship.
-Where the jet really shines is with the Kh-29T, originally designed against ships, this missile can obliterate any ground target.
+Where the jet really shines is with the Kh-29T, originally designed against ships, this missile can obliterate any ground target. When spawned in, immediately begin climbing at a steep angle and switch to missile view, within a few seconds you should have a clear view of the battlefield. Center the crosshair on a target and simply hold the launch button, the missile will fire the moment it acquires a lock.
-* When spawned in, immediately begin climbing at a steep angle and switch to missile view, within a few seconds you should have a clear view of the battlefield.
+However, you should be mindful of what you engage.
-* Center the crosshair on a target and simply hold the launch button, the missile will fire the moment it acquires a lock.
+'''Do:'''
-====== Be mindful of what you engage. ======
+* Enemy anti-air: The [[Pantsir-S1]] especially is a treat for the missile's guidance system due to its large rectangular shape.
+* Targets far from cover: Enemies who think they are safe behind hills are especially good targets.
 * Helicopters: Although they can occasionally dodge the missile, it is reasonably effective while keeping you out of their AA missile range.
-====== Don't: ======
+'''Don't:'''
 * Enemies under fire: While much faster than the [[AGM-65 (Family)|AGM-65]], it still takes time for the missile to reach the target, and them deploying smoke or being destroyed will waste it.
-* Enemies moving to cover: The missile cannot re-acquire a lock and will self destruct if it loses the target.
+* Enemies moving to cover: The missile cannot re-acquire a lock and will self-destruct if it loses the target.
-* Targets that are off-bore: Although the missile has impressive maneuverability, it still has limits and the plane's nose should be pointing towards the target at ranges closer than 6km.
+* Targets that are off-bore: Although the missile has impressive manoeuvrability, it still has limits and the plane's nose should be pointing towards the target at ranges closer than 6 km.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
+;Related Development
-;;Related Development
+*[[Su-17/22 (Family)]]
-; '''Other jet planes with variable sweep wings'''
+;Other jet planes with variable sweep wings
 * [[Tornado (Family)]]
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 * ''other literature.''
 {{Germany jet aircraft}}

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 === Air RB ===
-The useable load-outs can vary significantly as they can meet anything between 10.0 and 12.0. Generally, any loadout carrying 8 FAB-500s is optimal as it can destroy exactly two bases. The R-60MKs are suboptimal in most scenarios due to how susceptible they are to flares, but excel when launched in "melee" (as in: from behind, no more than 800m away), as they tend to fly past the flares and still hit their target. That said, the Su-22M4 should not be used for dogfighting, instead you should engage distracted or vulnerable targets.
+The useable loadouts can vary significantly as it can meet anything between 10.0 and 12.0. Generally any loadout carrying 8 FAB-500s is optimal as it can destroy exactly two bases. The R-60MKs are suboptimal in most scenarios due to how susceptible they are to flares, but excel when launched in "melee" (as in: from behind, no more than 800m away), as they tend to fly past the flares and still hit their target. That said, the Su-22M4 should not be used for dogfighting, instead you should engage distracted or vulnerable targets.
 A rare but entertaining scenario is when the Su-22M4 meets subsonic aircraft like the [[A-10A Late]] or any [[Su-25 (Family)|Su-25 variant]] as the Kh-29T can in fact be used to engage them and can cause panic as the enemy pilot sees that their flares have no effect.
 === Ground RB ===
-The Su-22M4's performance as close air support is as to be expected. A generous rocket load is recommended as even the FAB-500 bombs need relatively high precision to be effective. The laser-guided weapons are quite underwhelming as the plane lacks any form of advanced fire control to effectively target anything smaller than a cargo ship.
+The Su-22M4's performance as close air support is as to be expected. The generous rocket load is recommended as even the FAB-500 bombs need relatively high precision to be effective. The laser guided weapons are quite underwhelming as the plane lacks any form of advanced fire control to effectively target anything smaller than a cargo ship.
 Where the jet really shines is with the Kh-29T, originally designed against ships, this missile can obliterate any ground target.
 * When spawned in, immediately begin climbing at a steep angle and switch to missile view, within a few seconds you should have a clear view of the battlefield.
 * Center the crosshair on a target and simply hold the launch button, the missile will fire the moment it acquires a lock.
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 ===== Do: =====
-* Enemy anti-air: The [[Pantsir-S1]]<nowiki/>especially is a threat to the missile's guidance system due to its large rectangular shape.
+* Enemy anti air: The [[Pantsir-S1]]<nowiki/>especially is a treat for the missile's guidance system due to its large rectangular shape.
 * Targets far from cover. Enemies who think they are safe behind hills are especially good targets.
 * Helicopters: Although they can occasionally dodge the missile, it is reasonably effective while keeping you out of their AA missile range.
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 ====== Don't: ======
-* Enemies under fire: While much faster than the [[AGM-65 (Family)|AGM-65]], it still takes time for the missile to reach the target, and then deploying smoke or being destroyed will waste it.
+* Enemies under fire: While much faster than the [[AGM-65 (Family)|AGM-65]], it still takes time for the missile to reach the target, and them deploying smoke or being destroyed will waste it.
-* Enemies moving to cover: The missile cannot re-acquire a lock and will self-destruct if it loses the target.
+* Enemies moving to cover: The missile cannot re-acquire a lock and will self destruct if it loses the target.
 * Targets that are off-bore: Although the missile has impressive maneuverability, it still has limits and the plane's nose should be pointing towards the target at ranges closer than 6km.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 === Air RB ===
-The useable loadouts can vary significantly as it can meet anything between 10.0 and 12.0. Generally any loadout carrying 8 FAB-500s is optimal as it can destroy exactly two bases. The R-60MKs are suboptimal in most scenarios due to how susceptible they are to flares, but excel when launched in "melee" (as in: from behind, no more than 800m away), as they tend to fly past the flares and still hit their target. That said, the Su-22M4 should not be used for dogfighting, instead you should engage distracted or vulnerable targets.
+The useable load-outs can vary significantly as they can meet anything between 10.0 and 12.0. Generally, any loadout carrying 8 FAB-500s is optimal as it can destroy exactly two bases. The R-60MKs are suboptimal in most scenarios due to how susceptible they are to flares, but excel when launched in "melee" (as in: from behind, no more than 800m away), as they tend to fly past the flares and still hit their target. That said, the Su-22M4 should not be used for dogfighting, instead you should engage distracted or vulnerable targets.
 A rare but entertaining scenario is when the Su-22M4 meets subsonic aircraft like the [[A-10A Late]] or any [[Su-25 (Family)|Su-25 variant]] as the Kh-29T can in fact be used to engage them and can cause panic as the enemy pilot sees that their flares have no effect.
 === Ground RB ===
-The Su-22M4's performance as close air support is as to be expected. The generous rocket load is recommended as even the FAB-500 bombs need relatively high precision to be effective. The laser guided weapons are quite underwhelming as the plane lacks any form of advanced fire control to effectively target anything smaller than a cargo ship.
+The Su-22M4's performance as close air support is as to be expected. A generous rocket load is recommended as even the FAB-500 bombs need relatively high precision to be effective. The laser-guided weapons are quite underwhelming as the plane lacks any form of advanced fire control to effectively target anything smaller than a cargo ship.
 Where the jet really shines is with the Kh-29T, originally designed against ships, this missile can obliterate any ground target.
 * When spawned in, immediately begin climbing at a steep angle and switch to missile view, within a few seconds you should have a clear view of the battlefield.
 * Center the crosshair on a target and simply hold the launch button, the missile will fire the moment it acquires a lock.
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 ===== Do: =====
-* Enemy anti air: The [[Pantsir-S1]]<nowiki/>especially is a treat for the missile's guidance system due to its large rectangular shape.
+* Enemy anti-air: The [[Pantsir-S1]]<nowiki/>especially is a threat to the missile's guidance system due to its large rectangular shape.
 * Targets far from cover. Enemies who think they are safe behind hills are especially good targets.
 * Helicopters: Although they can occasionally dodge the missile, it is reasonably effective while keeping you out of their AA missile range.
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 ====== Don't: ======
-* Enemies under fire: While much faster than the [[AGM-65 (Family)|AGM-65]], it still takes time for the missile to reach the target, and them deploying smoke or being destroyed will waste it.
+* Enemies under fire: While much faster than the [[AGM-65 (Family)|AGM-65]], it still takes time for the missile to reach the target, and then deploying smoke or being destroyed will waste it.
-* Enemies moving to cover: The missile cannot re-acquire a lock and will self destruct if it loses the target.
+* Enemies moving to cover: The missile cannot re-acquire a lock and will self-destruct if it loses the target.
 * Targets that are off-bore: Although the missile has impressive maneuverability, it still has limits and the plane's nose should be pointing towards the target at ranges closer than 6km.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 == Usage in battles ==
-<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+=== Air RB ===
 === Pros and cons ===

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 ! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
-! colspan="2" | Max speed<br>(km/h at 11,000m)
+! colspan="2" | Max speed<br>(km/h at 11,000 m)
 ! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 ! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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 ! Stock
-| 2,027 || 2,011 || rowspan="2" | 19500
+| 2,027 || 2,011 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 27.3 || 27.5 ||167.9|| 161.3 || rowspan="2" | 850
 |-
 ! Upgraded

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 ! Stock
 | 2,027 || 2,011 || rowspan="2" | 19500
 | 27.3 || 27.5 ||167.9|| 161.3 || rowspan="2" | ___
 |-

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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=su_22m4 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 == External links ==

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-! 800 l drop tanks
+! 820 l drop tanks
-| || || || 1 || 1 || || ||
+| 1 || || || 1 || 1 || || || 1
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 | colspan="9" | Maximum permissible loadout weight: 4,160 kg<br>Maximum permissible wing load: 2,100 kg<br>Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 700 kg
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 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
-* 2 x 800 l drop tanks
+* 4 x 820 l drop tanks
 * 2 x R-60MK missiles
 * 6 x R-60MK missiles

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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==