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 * Mobile enough to flank when spaded
 * Still has a reasonable fire rate when first-stage rack runs out
 '''Cons:'''

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 The Strv m/42 was introduced during the Second World War as Sweden's primary medium tank. Different versions were developed, however, one of the most experimental ones was the '''Strv m/42 DT''' (''Delat Torn''; "split turret"). Unlike most designs of the time, the new variant used a new turret, with a 75 mm gun and an autoloader. The name comes from the fact that the autoloader forced the turret to be split in half. In 1944, a mockup was made, with a prototype constructed in 1945, however after being tested in different trials in 1946 the design was considered unsuccessful and the project was canceled.
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. The Strv m/42 DT's most important asset is the reload rate, which can be as low as 3 seconds. The best round available is an APCBC shell that features similar penetration and explosive filler values to other rounds at its rank. The armour is almost non-existent, comparable more to a light tank, and the autoloader makes the tank more vulnerable to ammo detonations, since the ammo racks are more exposed. However, the tank has still a decent mobility to the point it can be used to flank, and the gun depression is also good at -10 degrees. balls
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. The Strv m/42 DT's most important asset is the reload rate, which can be as low as 3 seconds. The best round available is an APCBC shell that features similar penetration and explosive filler values to other rounds at its rank. The armour is almost non-existent, comparable more to a light tank, and the autoloader makes the tank more vulnerable to ammo detonations, since the ammo racks are more exposed. However, the tank has still a decent mobility to the point it can be used to flank, and the gun depression is also good at -10 degrees.
 == General info ==

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 The Strv m/42 was introduced during the Second World War as Sweden's primary medium tank. Different versions were developed, however, one of the most experimental ones was the '''Strv m/42 DT''' (''Delat Torn''; "split turret"). Unlike most designs of the time, the new variant used a new turret, with a 75 mm gun and an autoloader. The name comes from the fact that the autoloader forced the turret to be split in half. In 1944, a mockup was made, with a prototype constructed in 1945, however after being tested in different trials in 1946 the design was considered unsuccessful and the project was canceled.
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. The Strv m/42 DT's most important asset is the reload rate, which can be as low as 3 seconds. The best round available is an APCBC shell that features similar penetration and explosive filler values to other rounds at its rank. The armour is almost non-existent, comparable more to a light tank, and the autoloader makes the tank more vulnerable to ammo detonations, since the ammo racks are more exposed. However, the tank has still a decent mobility to the point it can be used to flank, and the gun depression is also good at -10 degrees.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. The Strv m/42 DT's most important asset is the reload rate, which can be as low as 3 seconds. The best round available is an APCBC shell that features similar penetration and explosive filler values to other rounds at its rank. The armour is almost non-existent, comparable more to a light tank, and the autoloader makes the tank more vulnerable to ammo detonations, since the ammo racks are more exposed. However, the tank has still a decent mobility to the point it can be used to flank, and the gun depression is also good at -10 degrees. balls
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}'''was introduced during the Second World War, as Swedens primary medium tank, different versions were developed, however, one of the most experimental ones was the Strv m/42 DT (Delat Torn, which means split turret). Unlike most designs of the time, the new variant used a new turret, wit a 75mm gun, and an autoloader. The name comes from the fact that the autoloader forced the turret to be split in half. In 144 a mockup was made, with a prototype constructed in 1945, however after being tested in different trials in 1946 the design was considered unsuccessful and the project was canceled.
+The Strv m/42 was introduced during the Second World War as Sweden's primary medium tank. Different versions were developed, however, one of the most experimental ones was the '''Strv m/42 DT''' (''Delat Torn''; "split turret"). Unlike most designs of the time, the new variant used a new turret, with a 75 mm gun and an autoloader. The name comes from the fact that the autoloader forced the turret to be split in half. In 1944, a mockup was made, with a prototype constructed in 1945, however after being tested in different trials in 1946 the design was considered unsuccessful and the project was canceled.
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}'''most important asset is the reload rate, which can be as low as 3 seconds. The best round available is an APCBC shell that features similar penetration and explosive filler values to other rounds at its rank. The armor is almost non existant, comparable more to a light tank, the autoloader makes the tank more vulnerable to ammo detionations, since the ammo racks are more explosed. However the tank has still a decent mobility to the point it can be used to flank, and the gun depression is also good at -10 degrees.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. The Strv m/42 DT's most important asset is the reload rate, which can be as low as 3 seconds. The best round available is an APCBC shell that features similar penetration and explosive filler values to other rounds at its rank. The armour is almost non-existent, comparable more to a light tank, and the autoloader makes the tank more vulnerable to ammo detonations, since the ammo racks are more exposed. However, the tank has still a decent mobility to the point it can be used to flank, and the gun depression is also good at -10 degrees.
 == General info ==
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 {{main|pvkan m/43 (75 mm)}}
 The Strv m/42 DT is armed with the same 7,5 cm pvkan m/43 used by the [[Pvkv m/43 (1946)|Pvkv m/43]] tank destroyer. However, on the Strv m/42 DT, the gun is fed by a special semi-automatic loader with a four-round clip (similar to the Japanese [[Chi-Ri II|Chi-Ri]] medium tank), allowing for a fast five-round burst (including one pre-loaded in the gun barrel) after which the gun must be reloaded manually.
 With the autoloader, the reload takes from 3.9 to 3 seconds, which otherwise would take around 8-6 seconds. This allows the tank to swap between kinetic and HE shells on the fly and to sometimes reload before enemy drives out of cover to retaliate.
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 {{:pvkan m/43 (75 mm)/Ammunition|slpprj m/41, sgr m/38, slpgr m/43}}
 The Strv m/42 DT starts with the rather underwhelming stock '''slpprj m/41''' uncapped AP shot, which has no explosive filler. However, at Rank IV the excellent '''slpgr m/43''' APCBC shell becomes available. Not only does it ricochet less than the stock AP, has a higher muzzle velocity, and has better penetration, it also has a lethal 110 g TNT filler that is devastating when it penetrates.
 The penetration of kinetic shells is not very good for a tank of this BR, but the Strv m/42 DT is quite tall and at close to medium range it can negate enemy angled armour with that alone.
 The '''sgr m/38''' is not to be ignored, as there are a lot of open-topped SPG at the rank, which are difficult to take out with kinetic ammunition, but will definitely fail to reload before HE is fired at them, should they survive the first shot.

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]]. It is a development of the [[Strv m/42 EH|Strv m/42]] medium tank.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}'''was introduced during the Second World War, as Swedens primary medium tank, different versions were developed, however, one of the most experimental ones was the Strv m/42 DT (Delat Torn, which means split turret). Unlike most designs of the time, the new variant used a new turret, wit a 75mm gun, and an autoloader. The name comes from the fact that the autoloader forced the turret to be split in half. In 144 a mockup was made, with a prototype constructed in 1945, however after being tested in different trials in 1946 the design was considered unsuccessful and the project was canceled.
 == General info ==

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 ! 6th<br>rack empty
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-| '''42''' || 37&nbsp;''(+5)'' || 31&nbsp;''(+11)'' || 25&nbsp;''(+17)'' || 22&nbsp;''(+20)'' || 19&nbsp;''(+23)'' || 15&nbsp;''(+27)''
+| '''42''' || 40&nbsp;''(+2)'' || 37&nbsp;''(+5)'' || 31&nbsp;''(+11)'' || 25&nbsp;''(+17)'' || 19&nbsp;''(+23)'' || 16&nbsp;''(+26)''
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
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-|| 11&nbsp;''(+31)'' || 8&nbsp;''(+34)'' || 5&nbsp;''(+37)'' || 4&nbsp;''(+38)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+41)'' || No
+|| 13&nbsp;''(+29)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+33)'' || 5&nbsp;''(+37)'' || 4&nbsp;''(+38)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+41)'' || No
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 * The first-stage ammo racks provide the vehicle with a faster reload but has a small capacity (4 rounds), however the vehicle is also capable of reloading the main gun directly from the other ammo racks.
-* In order to empty the hull's ammo racks, one must carry 11&nbsp;''(+31)'' rounds.
+* The turret can never be fully empty without depleting the first-stage racks, and the hull can only be empty if you take 5 or less shells
 === Machine guns ===
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 The Strv m/42 DT's standout feature is an excellent reload rate, which can be as low as 3 seconds. To complement this gun, the Strv m/42 DT is equipped with a stock AP round, and an APCBC shell which has reasonable penetration and explosive filler values compared to similarly-sized rounds at this tier. At its best, the gun will easily blast most medium and light tanks, but will struggle with the heavy tanks, so choose your fights accordingly.
-This vehicle is not especially well-armoured. It can often withstand one or two hits, but any more and it will usually be destroyed. Taking high ammunition loads further hampers the tank's survivability, as it makes the chance of an ammunition detonation significant. From the side, a weak armour setup means that autocannons on many anti-air vehicles can penetrate and deal massive damage to internal components. This means, that tank commanders might want to rely on teamwork, much like with the [[Pvkv II]], as either teammates take the hit and leave the enemy exposed to at least two counter shots, or finish the job while the {{PAGENAME}} repairs or disables something else. Either way, with armour this thin, it is necessary to pay attention to enemy flankers.
+This vehicle is not especially well-armoured. It can often withstand one or two hits, but any more and it will usually be destroyed. Taking high ammunition loads further hampers the tank's survivability, as it makes the chance of an ammunition detonation significant. Additionally, the ammo racks in the front of the hull will almost always have ammo in them, and while they're in a position unlikely to be shot from the front, a shot to the front of the hull from the side can result in an ammo detonation. From the side, a weak armour setup means that autocannons on many anti-air vehicles can penetrate and deal massive damage to internal components. This means, that tank commanders might want to rely on teamwork, much like with the [[Pvkv II]], as either teammates take the hit and leave the enemy exposed to at least two counter shots, or finish the job while the {{PAGENAME}} repairs or disables something else. Either way, with armour this thin, it is necessary to pay attention to enemy flankers.
 The Strv m/42 DT's hull is taken from the earlier [[Strv m/42 EH]], and thanks to an improved engine, is above-average in terms of mobility. When stock, mobility can be sub-par, but once mobility modules have been researched, the tank becomes quite capable in this department. With this level of mobility, it can acquire ambush positions or act as a viable flanker. (In such situations, the gun's quick reload makes itself very useful; the Strv m/42 DT is able to destroy multiple unsuspecting enemies in quick succession.) One thing to note is that this tank has a poor reverse speed, which can make peeking and firing from behind ridgelines dangerous.
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 * Excellent reload rate allows to fire twice per normal enemy reload
 * Decent gun depression
 * Mobile enough to flank when spaded
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 * Poor reverse speed will let most tanks to fire back before it can retreat
 * Lightly armoured
 * Large and visible profile
 * Gun loader and breech can be easily destroyed by an airstrike
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=sw_strv_m42_delat_torn Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[Lago I]]
 * [[Strv m/42 EH]]
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 ;Similar Role:
 * [[Pz.IV (Family)]]
 * [[Chi-Ri II]]
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 ;Bibliography
 * David B. (2016, June 2). Stridsvagn m/42. Tank Encyclopedia. https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/sweden/stridsvagn-m42.php
 {{TankManufacturer AB Landsverk}}
 {{Sweden medium tanks}}

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 ==== Ammunition ====
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+{{:pvkan m/43 (75 mm)/Ammunition|slpprj m/41, sgr m/38, slpgr m/43}}
 The Strv m/42 DT starts with the rather underwhelming stock '''slpprj m/41''' uncapped AP shot, which has no explosive filler. However, at Rank IV the excellent '''slpgr m/43''' APCBC shell becomes available. Not only does it ricochet less than the stock AP, has a higher muzzle velocity, and has better penetration, it also has a lethal 110 g TNT filler that is devastating when it penetrates.

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	* David B. (2016, June 2). Stridsvagn m/42. Tank Encyclopedia. https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/sweden/stridsvagn-m42.php		* David B. (2016, June 2). Stridsvagn m/42. Tank Encyclopedia. https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/sweden/stridsvagn-m42.php

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 It is important to note that the turret has an open rear that exposes the crew to machine gun fire and shrapnel.  It is also a considerably bigger target than the Strv m/42's turret. Most importantly, the gun autoloader is poking out of the turret and can be easily damaged by any aircraft, which is arguably even worse than losing a crew member.
 === Mobility ===
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 {{main|pvkan m/43 (75 mm)}}
-The Delat Torn is armed with the same '''7,5 cm pvkan m/43''' used by the [[Pvkv m/43 (1946)|Pvkv m/43]] tank destroyer. However, on the Delat Torn, the gun is fed by a special semi-automatic loader with a four-round clip (similar to the Japanese [[Chi-Ri II|Chi-Ri]] medium tank), allowing for a fast five-round burst (including one pre-loaded in the gun barrel) after which the gun must be reloaded manually. As is usual for Swedish vehicles, the turret provides for an excellent 10° of gun depression, though gun elevation is limited to only 12°.
+The Delat Torn is armed with the same '''7,5 cm pvkan m/43''' used by the [[Pvkv m/43 (1946)|Pvkv m/43]] tank destroyer. However, on the Delat Torn, the gun is fed by a special semi-automatic loader with a four-round clip (similar to the Japanese [[Chi-Ri II|Chi-Ri]] medium tank), allowing for a fast five-round burst (including one pre-loaded in the gun barrel) after which the gun must be reloaded manually.
-The Delat Torn starts with the rather underwhelming stock '''slpprj m/41''' uncapped AP shot, which has no explosive filler. However, at Rank IV the excellent '''slpgr m/43''' APCBC shell becomes available. Not only does it ricochet less than the stock AP, has a higher muzzle velocity, and has better penetration, it also has a lethal 110 g TNT filler that is devastating when it penetrates. The penetration is not very good for a 5.0 tank, but the Delat Torn is quite tall and at close to medium range it can negate enemy angled armour with that alone.
+On a capture point, each shell rearms for about 5.5 seconds. This is important to keep in mind, as semi-auto loader rearms extremely slowly, forcing the tank to not fire for 25 seconds after the last shot for the first shell to be loaded and another 18 for each next one. Capture point rearm circumvents this and reloads the autoloader faster, which might allow to repel more tanks than normal.
 Note that the gun breech is rather large and takes up a lot of room in the turret, thus a turret penetration is likely to also result in a damaged breech.
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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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-The Delat Torn's standout feature is an excellent reload rate, which can be as low as 3 seconds. To complement this gun, the Delat Torn is equipped with a stock AP round, and an APCBC shell which has quite good penetration and explosive filler values compared to similarly-sized rounds at this tier.
+The Delat Torn's standout feature is an excellent reload rate, which can be as low as 3 seconds. To complement this gun, the Delat Torn is equipped with a stock AP round, and an APCBC shell which has reasonable penetration and explosive filler values compared to similarly-sized rounds at this tier. At its best, the gun will easily blast most medium and light tanks, but will struggle with the heavy tanks, so choose your fights accordingly.
-This vehicle is not especially well-armoured. It can often withstand one or two hits, but any more and it will usually be destroyed. Taking high ammunition loads further hampers the tank's survivability, as it makes the chance of an ammunition detonation significant. From the side, a weak armour setup means that autocannons on many anti-air vehicles can penetrate and deal massive damage to internal components.
+This vehicle is not especially well-armoured. It can often withstand one or two hits, but any more and it will usually be destroyed. Taking high ammunition loads further hampers the tank's survivability, as it makes the chance of an ammunition detonation significant. From the side, a weak armour setup means that autocannons on many anti-air vehicles can penetrate and deal massive damage to internal components. This means, that tank commanders might want to rely on teamwork, much like with the [[Pvkv_II]], as either teammates take the hit and leave the enemy exposed to at least two counter shots, or finish the job while the {{PAGENAME}} repairs or disables something else. Either way, with armour this thin, it is necessary to pay attention to enemy flankers.
-The Delat Torn's hull is taken from the earlier [[Strv m/42 EH]], and thanks to an improved engine, is above-average in terms of mobility. When stock, mobility can be sub-par, but once mobility modules have been researched, the tank becomes quite capable in this department. With this mobility, it can acquire ambush positions or act as a viable flanker. (In such situations, the gun's quick reload makes itself very useful; the Delat Torn is able to destroy multiple unsuspecting enemies in quick succession.) One thing to note is that this tank has a poor reverse speed, which can make peeking and firing from behind ridgelines dangerous.
+The Delat Torn's hull is taken from the earlier [[Strv m/42 EH]], and thanks to an improved engine, is above-average in terms of mobility. When stock, mobility can be sub-par, but once mobility modules have been researched, the tank becomes quite capable in this department. With this level of mobility, it can acquire ambush positions or act as a viable flanker. (In such situations, the gun's quick reload makes itself very useful; the Delat Torn is able to destroy multiple unsuspecting enemies in quick succession.) One thing to note is that this tank has a poor reverse speed, which can make peeking and firing from behind ridgelines dangerous.
-In hull-down positions, this vehicle can use its great gun depression to effectively fire at enemies from behind cover.
+In hull-down positions, this vehicle can use its great gun depression to effectively fire at enemies from behind cover, but it's best to avoid exploiting it to try and fight over high hills, as it's not as great as on the SPGs and tanks before it.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Excellent reload rate
+* Excellent reload rate allows to fire twice per normal enemy reload
-* Great gun depression
+* Decent gun depression
-* Quite mobile
+* Mobile enough to flank when spaded
-* Good sight magnification
+* More autoloader shots and smaller profile than the [[Chi-Ri II]]
 * Still has a reasonable fire rate when first-stage rack runs out
 '''Cons:'''
-* Poor stock uncapped AP shot with no explosive filler
+* Poor stock uncapped AP shot with no explosive filler, and the APHE starts to become inadequate when fighting head-on in uptier
-* Very long ready-rack reload
+* Very long ready-rack reload, unless on a capture point
 * Narrow tracks reduce off-road mobility
-* Poor reverse speed
+* Poor reverse speed will let most tanks to fire back before it can retreat
 * Lightly armoured
 * Large and visible profile