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U42773747: ammo box is a thing now, so changing some text

2024-11-20T19:15:53Z

ammo box is a thing now, so changing some text

U42773747: Pinpointed changes to effective handling of missiles in AB. Changes made it near useless at short quarters, but still playable on medium sized maps.

2024-10-06T14:11:02Z

Pinpointed changes to effective handling of missiles in AB. Changes made it near useless at short quarters, but still playable on medium sized maps.

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U44629479: Undo revision 147907 by U45319534 (talk)

2022-12-20T08:48:06Z

Undo revision 147907 by U45319534 (talk)

U45319534: Removed the incredibly long and detailed guide about arcade battle playing and toned it down to a more appropriate 'overview'.

2022-12-20T05:32:24Z

Removed the incredibly long and detailed guide about arcade battle playing and toned it down to a more appropriate 'overview'.

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 The handle is put down if the vehicle speeds up too much (faster than 19 km/h), but if it was reloading while the tank was moving, it will pull the launcher out at the end of the reload, whether you want it or not. When launcher is pulled out, it is always pointing forward, so holding "fire" when trying to attack a target on a side is unwise.
-DO NOT hold "fire" button while reloading or waiting for launcher to pull out, because launcher has a tendency to malfunction if you don't wait fot at least 0.2 sec after it finished. This "malfunction" causes the missile to simply disappear.
+The reload time is 8.3 seconds plus however long it took for the handle to turn into "default" position. It is necessary to choose next ATGM type before firing the current one because Shturm-S can't change payload choice after firing and can't put the wrong launcher back.  DO NOT hold "fire" button while reloading or waiting for launcher to pull out, because launcher has a tendency to malfunction if you don't wait fot at least 0.2 sec after it finished. This "malfunction" causes the missile to simply disappear.
 Each missile type has great manoeuvrability, but the launch sequence is greatly complicated by the fact, that launcher (located in the very back of the tank) is offset from the actual guiding camera (located on the front-right of the tank), and missiles are launched at high speeds, causing them to often miss at close range. Since the launcher is pointing forward when pulled out, firing too early might also cause the missile to miss, depending on how much it needs to turn and compensate to get on course. Aim assist of arcade mode also has a tendency to aim lower than it should and often spontaneously breaks off because of this, so it should not be relied on for anything but AA duty.
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 The Shturm-S cannot properly fire or aim from medium tank hulldown spots, so it is inferior to [[IT-1]] in that regard. In arcade mode and, at some spots, RB, tank can fire over obstacles by using a stepping stone of some sort, but it cannot really guide shots that way.
-The vehicle can carry up to 12 of missiles. It is necessary to choose next ATGM type before firing the current one because Shturm-S can't change payload choice after firing and can't put the wrong launcher back.
+The vehicle can carry up to 12 of missiles naturally. It also has an ammo box that has another 12 missiles and cannot be refilled again (so, technically, vehicle spawns with 24 missiles) When rearming, the main type of ATGM is replenished first (the one on top-left of "ammo distribution" UI), so choose carefully. Rearming takes about 6 seconds for one missile.
 Missiles are very vulnerable to jamming, so when fighting tanks with IRCM, it is necessary to also attack from the side, so that the missile doesn't get derailed.
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 Once you got tandem warheads, some bolder tactical moves can be taken, for example, you can camp in a semi-open spot, as long as you are out of a default aim assist range (1.5 km), as tandem HEAT can knock out many tanks unlike default missiles. This, however, is still not recommended to do without ESS, as any player with a rangefinder or any significant game experience will adjust the sniper scope manually and snipe you. To make it more feasible, try to acquire high ground as well.
-The HE missile generally makes AB sniping easier, as it is slow and will generally manage to curve into enemy tank roof, likely causing overpressure and destroying the target. It is also much easier to manually use at point blank ranges. Unfortunately, it is extremely ineffective against "non standard" soviet tanks, which you will often meet, such as [[T-55AM-1]], [[Object 268]], [[IS-7]] and so on, and is bad against many American tanks, so at least 3 Tandem HEAT should always be carried and preloaded when moving around. HE-VT is similar to normal HE in that regard and can replace it completely. If not sure about ammunition balance, try to look at the enemy team tanks in score menu (tab), as it is generally possible to guess whether you can get away with simply loading full HE or almost full HEAT loadout will be necessary.
+The HE missile generally makes AB sniping easier, as it is slow and will generally manage to curve into enemy tank roof, likely causing overpressure and destroying the target. It is also much easier to manually use at point blank ranges. Unfortunately, it is extremely ineffective against "non standard" soviet tanks, which you will often meet, such as [[T-55AM-1]], [[Object 268]], [[IS-7]] and so on, and is bad against many American tanks, so at least 3 Tandem HEAT should always be carried and preloaded when moving around. HE-VT is similar to normal HE in that regard and can replace it completely. If not sure about ammunition balance, try to look at the enemy team tanks in score menu (tab), as it is generally possible to guess whether you can get away with simply loading full HE or almost full HEAT loadout will be necessary. Ammunition box and missile rearm order also play a huge role here - choosing tandem charge missiles as top priority missile and only picking one or two may allow you to occasionally destroy difficult targets and immediately reload from the box, while all-rounder HE-VT missiles could be mostly replenished on a capture point when the situation calmed down.
 [[File:Shturm-S HE missiles efficiency AB.jpg|thumb|right|The missiles are also powerful at close ranges, but they should only be fired directly.]]

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 To understand, whether to even spawn Shturm-S or not, follow these questions:
-#Can you even make it to the sniper point before being shot by a hypothetical [[Leopard (Family)|Leopard]]?
+#Can you even make it to the sniper point before being shot by a hypothetical [[Leopard 1 (Family)|Leopard I]]?
 #Can you fire through or over obstacles at your sniping spot, and how many of them is there?
 #Is it physically impossible to snipe you from any other side, but front (so that you can see it coming in third person view and dodge)?

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 * Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick.
 [[File:Shturm-S obliterated by IT-1 missing shot from 20 m.jpg|thumb|right|The side armour of the carrier might as well not exist. It should always fight while using cover or distraction of some sort.]]
 Pretty much every enemy tank in the game will be able to destroy the Shturm-S including rank I anti-air.
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 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 |-
-! colspan="5" | [[9M114 Shturm]] ATGM || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="5" | [[9M114 Shturm]] ATGM || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
 |-
 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+!Autoloader
 |-
 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 12 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±85° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 22.0 || 30.5 || 37.0 || 40.9 || 43.5 || rowspan="2" | 8.30 || rowspan="2" | 8.30 || rowspan="2" | 8.30 || rowspan="2" | 8.30
+| rowspan="2" | 12 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±85° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 22.0 || 30.5 || 37.0 || 40.9 || 43.5 || rowspan="2" | 8.30
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
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 To understand, whether to even spawn Shturm-S or not, follow these questions:
 #Can you even make it to the sniper point before being shot by a hypothetical [[Leopard (Family)|Leopard]]?
 #Can you fire through or over obstacles at your sniping spot, and how many of them is there?
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ussr_9p149 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (NATO Code: AT-6 Spiral) was a Soviet Self-Propelled Anti-Tank Guided Missile System designed with the intent of being able to effectively destroy heavily armoured western tanks on the battlefield. It was first introduced in the late 1970s and saw widespread use by the Soviet Union and its allies during the Cold War. One of its key features was its ability to engage targets at long ranges, up to 5 kilometers, with high accuracy and precision, which was a significant advantage over other anti-tank systems of its time. The {{Specs|name}} also had the capability to fire missiles from a concealed position, making it difficult for enemy forces to detect and counter. This made it a highly effective weapon in mostly defensive operations. In the game, you can upgrade it to the 9P149M version, which incorporates thermal vision systems, but you can also unlock the improved missiles without doing so, which is unrealistic given that they were only included in the upgraded versions.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a Soviet Self-Propelled Anti-Tank Guided Missile System designed with the intent of being able to effectively destroy heavily armoured western tanks on the battlefield. It was first introduced in the late 1970s and saw widespread use by the Soviet Union and its allies during the Cold War. One of its key features was its ability to engage targets at long ranges, up to 5 kilometres, with high accuracy and precision, which was a significant advantage over other anti-tank systems of its time. The {{Specs|name}} also had the capability to fire missiles from a concealed position, making it difficult for enemy forces to detect and counter. This made it a highly effective weapon in mostly defensive operations. The modernised 9P149M version incorporated thermal vision systems, as well as adding the capability to fire the new and improved 9M120 Ataka missile in addition to the 9M114 Shturm (though this ability is added in separate modifications in-game).
-The  {{Specs|name}} was introduced in [[Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy"]]. This particular ATGM carrier relies purely on stealth, unlike the [[IT-1]]. It can engage targets, both aerial and ground, from insane ranges of up to 7 kilometers and deliver devastating blows. It should also be noted that it outranges every helicopter at its battle rating, meaning it can engage them with ease.
+The {{Specs|name}} was introduced in [[Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy"]]. This particular ATGM carrier relies purely on stealth, unlike the [[IT-1]]. It can engage targets, both aerial and ground, from insane ranges of up to 7 kilometres and deliver devastating blows. It should also be noted that it outranges every helicopter at its battle rating, meaning it can engage them with ease.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy"]]. This particular ATGM carrier relies purely on stealth, unlike the [[IT-1]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (NATO Code: AT-6 Spiral) was a Soviet Self-Propelled Anti-Tank Guided Missile System designed with the intent of being able to effectively destroy heavily armoured western tanks on the battlefield. It was first introduced in the late 1970s and saw widespread use by the Soviet Union and its allies during the Cold War. One of its key features was its ability to engage targets at long ranges, up to 5 kilometers, with high accuracy and precision, which was a significant advantage over other anti-tank systems of its time. The {{Specs|name}} also had the capability to fire missiles from a concealed position, making it difficult for enemy forces to detect and counter. This made it a highly effective weapon in mostly defensive operations. In the game, you can upgrade it to the 9P149M version, which incorporates thermal vision systems, but you can also unlock the improved missiles without doing so, which is unrealistic given that they were only included in the upgraded versions.
 == General info ==

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 The front is more or less protected from .50 calibre, so, if necessary, it can be exposed towards an enemy who still has his HMG working, but it should not be relied on.
-[[File:Shturm-S low profile demonstration.jpg|thumb|right|Despite having poor armour, Shturm-S technically can snipe right next to opponents and not be seen or hit because of it's low profile.]]
+[[File:Shturm-S low profile demonstration.jpg|thumb|right|Despite having poor armour, Shturm-S technically can snipe right next to opponents and not be seen or hit because of its low profile.]]
 There are very few areas on this tank that can be hit by a cannon round and survive. The entire front is essentially an instant kill zone, as even a scratch by APFSDS will cause enough spalling to obliterate both crew members, and it is extremely rare to only lose one. Very rarely, a HEAT shell falling straight to the middle might fail to completely knock out crew members, but the chance is also very slim.
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 DO NOT hold "fire" button while reloading or waiting for launcher to pull out, because launcher has a tendency to malfunction if you don't wait fot at least 0.2 sec after it finished. This "malfunction" causes the missile to simply disappear.
-Each missile type has great manoeuvreability, but the launch sequience is greatly complicated by the fact, that launcher (located in the very back of the tank) is offset from the actual guiding camera (located on the front-right of the tank), and missiles are launched at high speeds, causing them to often miss at close range. Since the launcher is pointing forward when pulled out, firing too early might also cause the missile to miss, depending on how much it needs to turn and compensate to get on course. Aim assist of arcade mode also has a tendency to aim lower than it should and often spontaneously breaks off because of this, so it should not be relied on for anything but AA duty.
+Each missile type has great manoeuvrability, but the launch sequence is greatly complicated by the fact, that launcher (located in the very back of the tank) is offset from the actual guiding camera (located on the front-right of the tank), and missiles are launched at high speeds, causing them to often miss at close range. Since the launcher is pointing forward when pulled out, firing too early might also cause the missile to miss, depending on how much it needs to turn and compensate to get on course. Aim assist of arcade mode also has a tendency to aim lower than it should and often spontaneously breaks off because of this, so it should not be relied on for anything but AA duty.
 The Shturm-S cannot properly fire or aim from medium tank hulldown spots, so it is inferior to [[IT-1]] in that regard. In arcade mode and, at some spots, RB, tank can fire over obstacles by using a stepping stone of some sort, but it cannot really guide shots that way.
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 The list of available ATGM in order of acquisition:
-* HEAT - Default ATGM, which has about 550 mm penetration. Launched at atleast 230 m/s with high acceleration. Can deal with anything at the BR, but does only punctual damage like HEATFS. Tanks with heavy NERA or ERA amount will resist it and suffer less than fatal damage or no damage.
+* HEAT - Default ATGM, which has about 550 mm penetration. Launched at 230 m/s with high acceleration. Can deal with anything at the BR, but does only punctual damage like HEATFS. Tanks with heavy NERA or ERA amount will resist it and suffer less than fatal damage or no damage.
-* Tandem HEAT - ATGM with a double payload. Launched at atleast 230 m/s with high acceleration. Extremely high post-penetration damage. Designed to annihilate ERA and other countermeasures and then destroy the tank in one hit. Each payload can penetrate about 800 mm of composite armour at a flat angle. Tandem warhead ignores ERA and penetration should be calculated as if it was not present, unless you hit the target at an extreme angle, launching the actual projectile into yet another ERA layer.
+* Tandem HEAT - ATGM with a double payload. Launched at 230 m/s with high acceleration. Extremely high post-penetration damage. Designed to annihilate ERA and other countermeasures and then destroy the tank in one hit. Each payload can penetrate about 800 mm of composite armour at a flat angle. Tandem warhead ignores ERA and penetration should be calculated as if it was not present, unless you hit the target at an extreme angle, launching the actual projectile into yet another ERA layer.
 * HE - A guided missile with a HE payload. Launched at about 130 m/s with poor acceleration. Can penetrate about 55 mm of armour, making it on par with the second strongest HE shells in terms of pure damage. Can be used to cause overpressure damage by hitting tracks or tank's roof, similarly to HE shells, but has negligible area of effect and is weak against ERA plating. Due to its low launch speed it is suitable for close range combat, particularly in AB. Outside of the tank's own BR, it can be used as a utility ammo to destroy NERA tanks, which the tandem HEAT might not be able to even scratch. This missile has enough explosive mass to damage ground, but it has no practical application outside of AB, since damage is very low.
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
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-| '''12''' || 12&nbsp;''(+0)'' || 11&nbsp;''(+1)'' || 10&nbsp;''(+2)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+3)'' || 8&nbsp;''(+4)'' || 7&nbsp;''(+5)'' || 6&nbsp;''(+6)'' ||   5&nbsp;''(+7)'' || 4&nbsp;''(+8)'' || 3&nbsp;''(+9)'' || 2&nbsp;''(+10)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+11)'' ||   no
+| '''12''' || 12&nbsp;''(+0)'' || 11&nbsp;''(+1)'' || 10&nbsp;''(+2)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+3)'' || 8&nbsp;''(+4)'' || 7&nbsp;''(+5)'' || 6&nbsp;''(+6)'' || 5&nbsp;''(+7)'' || 4&nbsp;''(+8)'' || 3&nbsp;''(+9)'' || 2&nbsp;''(+10)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+11)'' || No
 |-
 |}
 [[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
-Mechanized Ammo Rack capable of automatic loading.
+The missiles are automatically loaded via a mechanized ammo rack.
 == Usage in battles ==
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 <gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="200px">
 Shturm-S snipe stage 1.jpg|Step 1: Detecting an enemy, angling and pulling the camera out until the enemy is marked in bright red. Pay extra attention to surroundings during this.
-Shturm-S snipe stage 2.jpg|Step 2: Use binocular view to aim at an enemy tank and suggest it's weakspot, then hold "fire" to take aim at it.
+Shturm-S snipe stage 2.jpg|Step 2: Use binocular view to aim at an enemy tank and suggest its weak spot, then hold "fire" to take aim at it.
 Shturm-S snipe stage 3.jpg|Step 3: Exit binocular view and press "fire", then do not touch anything until missile hits the target.
 </gallery>
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 As could be seen on the screenshots, no normal tank can destroy Shturm-S which is following the rules, even if they fire back. Do not forget to move down from the firing spot after firing, as otherwise you are just giving unseen opponents time to aim chemical shells or ATGM at you, which is not ideal. If you are being focused by artillery, you can retreat. Temporary retreat can be made even into a lake, since Shturm-S can swim.
 [[File:Shturm-S sniping off plateau.jpg|thumb|right|It's not impossible to snipe from a faraway high ground in AB, but a lot of care and precautions should be taken as well.]]
-Once you got tandem warheads, some bolder tactical moves can be taken, for example, you can camp in a semi-open spot, as long as you are out of a default aim assist range (1.5 km), as tandem HEAT can one-shot many tanks unlike default missiles. This, however, is still not recommended to do without ESS, as any player with a rangefinder or any significant game experience will adjust the sniper scope manually and snipe you. To make it more feasible, try to acquire high ground as well.
+Once you got tandem warheads, some bolder tactical moves can be taken, for example, you can camp in a semi-open spot, as long as you are out of a default aim assist range (1.5 km), as tandem HEAT can knock out many tanks unlike default missiles. This, however, is still not recommended to do without ESS, as any player with a rangefinder or any significant game experience will adjust the sniper scope manually and snipe you. To make it more feasible, try to acquire high ground as well.
 The HE missile makes AB sniping even easier, as it is slow and will generally manage to curve into enemy tank roof by itself from 100 m, likely causing overpressure and destroying the target. It is also much easier to manually use at point blank ranges. Unfortunately, it is extremely ineffective against "non standard" soviet tanks, which you will often meet, such as [[T-55AM-1]], [[Object 268]], [[IS-7]] and so on, and is bad against many American tanks, so at least 3 Tandem HEAT should always be carried and preloaded when moving around. HE-VT is similar to normal HE in that regard and can replace it completely. If not sure about ammunition balance, try to look at the enemy team tanks in score menu (tab), as it is generally possible to guess whether you can get away with simply loading full HE or almost full HEAT loadout will be necessary.
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 Proof of ESS combat trick feasibility, even in less than perfect situation:
 <gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="200px">
-Shturm-S ESS combat 1.jpg|Step 1: Fire off ESS and back off into it. Even if enemy tank fires back, it is likely to miss or less likely to one-shot the carrier. Ideally, you want to not get hit.
+Shturm-S ESS combat 1.jpg|Step 1: Fire off ESS and back off into it. Even if enemy tank fires back, it is likely to miss or less likely to knock the carrier out. Ideally, you want to not get hit.
 Shturm-S ESS combat 2.jpg|Step 2: Enter sniper mode and turn on thermal scope. As can be seen here, Shturm-S can see through its own engine exhaust and will easily snipe anything through it.
-Shturm-S ESS combat 3.jpg|Even players which use SPAA as a combat tank often forget that they have some 2000 RPM autocannons and may also enter smoke to fight you instead of just filling it with shells. Dodge them for as long as possible and destroy them once the weapon is reloaded. In AB, avoid letting an enemy to get as close as on the screenshot.
+Shturm-S ESS combat 3.jpg|Even players which use SPAA as a combat tank often forget that they have some 2,000 RPM autocannons and may also enter smoke to fight you instead of just filling it with shells. Dodge them for as long as possible and destroy them once the weapon is reloaded. In AB, avoid letting an enemy to get as close as on the screenshot.
 </gallery>
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 * Very low profile - combined with good positioning, the vehicle can be invisible with only the launcher peeking over a hilltop or wall
 * Capable of travelling across water, although relatively slowly and with poor control
-* Can double as a SAM tank in AB, to a point it can single handedly dominate the sky and even protect the bombers from interceptors if fires immediately
+* Can double as a SAM tank in AB, to a point it can single-handedly dominate the sky and even protect the bombers from interceptors if fires immediately
 '''Cons:'''

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:9M114 Shturm/Ammunition|9M114, 9M120, 9M120F-1, 9M220O}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====