Shenyang F-5 - Revision history

U38088265: /* Offensive armament */ Updated

2023-09-21T12:38:57Z

‎Offensive armament: Updated

U38088265: /* Description */

2023-09-07T13:56:11Z

‎Description

U4656018: Updated description

2023-09-06T09:52:13Z

Updated description

U38088265: /* Details */

2023-05-27T11:43:48Z

‎Details

U79942984: /* Pros and cons */ Trimmed and updated details

2023-02-22T06:40:31Z

‎Pros and cons: Trimmed and updated details

U8745385: updated cockpit (needs annotation)

2022-10-13T11:35:34Z

updated cockpit (needs annotation)

U31139476: /* Suspended armament */ Edits

2022-06-29T16:48:55Z

‎Suspended armament: Edits

U44629479: Undo revision 121595 by U44982996 (talk)

2022-01-27T12:24:53Z

Undo revision 121595 by U44982996 (talk)

U44982996 at 12:23, 27 January 2022

2022-01-27T12:23:52Z

U44629479: /* Description */ Updated description

2022-01-27T12:19:55Z

‎Description: Updated description

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 {{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
 <!-- ''Describe the offensive armament of the aircraft, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in a battle, and also what belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|N-37D (37 mm)|NR-23 (23 mm)}}
+{{main|Type 37-1 (37 mm)|Type 23-1 (23 mm)}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-* 1 x 37 mm N-37D cannon, chin-mounted (40 rpg)
+* 1 x 37 mm Type 37-1 cannon, chin-mounted (40 rpg)
-* 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, chin-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)
+* 2 x 23 mm Type 23-1 cannons, chin-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)
 Just like Shenyang F5's old brother [[MiG-17]], the different caliber armaments on both sides of the plane will balance each other out. Despite the F-5 holding the largest caliber among the its fighter peers, the 37 mm N-37D cannon needs experience to ace. Though the two "smaller" 23 mm NR-23 cannons are deadly and easier to master than the 37 mm N-37D. Due to the low ammo rounds per gun, all cannons are not of the "spray and pray" type. These guns rarely overheat, though this is mostly since the magazine will be empty after only five seconds of shooting. It is necessary to fire in bursts only if confidence is high enough that the shots can hit the targets. For ammo selection, one should use "Air targets" belt on all cannons since it contains the most high-explosive and incendiary shells that have great effect against air targets. Launching ground strikes using "Armored targets" belts is not a good option due to the slightly inaccurate and unpredictable trajectory.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' represented the aided J-5 to {{Annotation|KPAAF|Korean People's Army Air Force}} from Mainland China. After Mainland China and Soviet Union signed aiding treaties for the construction of Chinese's aviation industry in 1951, the Factory 112 (State Songling Machinery Factory; Now SAC) in Shenyang was selected to be the factory to introduce MiG-17F to Mainland China in view of already obsolete performance of MiG-15bis; by November 1953, the license was issued to the factory. Before the deadline of 1956's National Day, the first Chinese-assembled jet, J-5 (aircraft no. 中0101) made its maiden flight in July 19 and soon passed state certification in September 9 with 4 of them joined PLAAF 10 days later. As one of the frontline jet fighters, J-5 scored numerous victories against ROCAF and USAF while losing some of them during aerial combats, including being the very first victim of [[AIM-9B Sidewinder|AIM-9B]]. Some of these jets were also aided to Chinese allies of the time which also scored some victories to their enemies, especially by the North Vietnamese forces.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' represents J-5s sent as military aid to the Korean People's Army Air Force from Mainland China. After Mainland China and the Soviet Union signed aiding treaties for the construction of Chinese's aviation industry in 1951, Factory 112 (State Songling Machinery Factory; now Shenyang Aircraft Corporation) was selected to be the factory to introduce the MiG-17F to Mainland China in view of the already obsolete performance of MiG-15bis. By November 1953, the license was issued to the factory. Before the deadline of National Day 1956, the first Chinese-assembled jet, J-5 (aircraft no. 中0101) made its maiden flight on July 19 and soon passed state certification in September 9, with 4 of them joining the PLAAF 10 days later. As one of the frontline jet fighters, the J-5 scored numerous victories against ROCAF and USAF while losing some of them during aerial combat, including the first victim of the [[AIM-9B Sidewinder|AIM-9B]]. Some of these jets were also aided to Chinese allies of the time who also scored some victories against their enemies, especially by the North Vietnamese forces.
-As an improved variant of MiG-17F with two PL-2 missiles, thanks to its design, devastating autocannons and powerful, afterburning VK-1F (WP-5) jet engine, players can still utilize the tactics used on previous MiG jets and get on hand with F-5 rather quickly; while it can handle most subsonic jets it might face, do beware of early supersonic jets which some of them could reach up to Mach 2.0, with proper tactics employed, hitting them when they depleted their energy is always a good option to earn extra income and boost the research on Chinese aviation tech tree.
+It was introduced as a [[wt:en/news/6353-development-new-war-thunder-nation-china-en|premium pack]] in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] and was removed from the store after the [[wt:en/news/7417-shop-war-thunder-birthday-sale-in-gaijin-net-store-en|9th Anniversary Sale]]. It later returned for purchase in-game with Golden Eagles {{ge}} during the [[wt:en/news/7534-special-lunar-new-year-en|2022 "Lunar New Year"]] event.
-It was introduced as a [[wt:en/news/6353-development-new-war-thunder-nation-china-en|premium pack]] in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] and was removed from the store after the [[wt:en/news/7417-shop-war-thunder-birthday-sale-in-gaijin-net-store-en|9th Anniversary Sale]]. It later returned for purchase in-game with Golden Eagles {{ge}} during the [[wt:en/news/7534-special-lunar-new-year-en|2022 "Lunar New Year"]] event.
+As an improved variant of MiG-17F with two PL-2 missiles, thanks to its design, devastating autocannons and powerful, afterburning VK-1F (WP-5) jet engine, players can still utilize the tactics used on previous MiG jets and get to grips with the F-5 rather quickly; while it can handle most subsonic jets it might face, do beware of early supersonic jets: with proper tactics employed, hitting them when they have depleted their energy is always a good option.
 == General info ==
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 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
 <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
 The MiG-17 was the solution to upgrading the MiG-15 and naturally with it being a successful fighter which was mass-produced, variants eventually became available for other nations to purchase. China was one of the countries which sought to acquire the later versions of the MiG-17 which utilized the VK-1F style afterburning engines. With its sleek frame, swept-back wings and tailplane, the F-5 though a bit heavier than the typical MiG-17 is a powerhouse in the sky. Compared to many other aircraft, using the afterburner will allow the F-5 to outclimb many of its contemporaries including the F-86 variants. Many pilots who hope to catch an F-5 in a climb will be disappointed when they stall out only to see the F-5 dropping in on them from above for an easy shot.
 Thanks to the new engine, its sustained turn rate was improved by ~10% and can reach 19 deg/s when keeping the speed in horizontal turns close to 500 km/h which is more than enough to outturn in two circle fights most of subsonic or transonic jets like the CL-13, F-86 or J29F.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced as a [[wt:en/news/6353-development-new-war-thunder-nation-china-en|premium pack]] in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] and was removed from the store after the [[wt:en/news/7417-shop-war-thunder-birthday-sale-in-gaijin-net-store-en|9th Anniversary Sale]]. It later returned for purchase in-game with Golden Eagles {{ge}} during the [[wt:en/news/7534-special-lunar-new-year-en|2022 "Lunar New Year"]] event.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' represented the aided J-5 to {{Annotation|KPAAF|Korean People's Army Air Force}} from Mainland China. After Mainland China and Soviet Union signed aiding treaties for the construction of Chinese's aviation industry in 1951, the Factory 112 (State Songling Machinery Factory; Now SAC) in Shenyang was selected to be the factory to introduce MiG-17F to Mainland China in view of already obsolete performance of MiG-15bis; by November 1953, the license was issued to the factory. Before the deadline of 1956's National Day, the first Chinese-assembled jet, J-5 (aircraft no. 中0101) made its maiden flight in July 19 and soon passed state certification in September 9 with 4 of them joined PLAAF 10 days later. As one of the frontline jet fighters, J-5 scored numerous victories against ROCAF and USAF while losing some of them during aerial combats, including being the very first victim of [[AIM-9B Sidewinder|AIM-9B]]. Some of these jets were also aided to Chinese allies of the time which also scored some victories to their enemies, especially by the North Vietnamese forces.
 == General info ==

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 598 || 450 || ~12 || ~5
+| 1,150 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || - || 598 || 450 || ~12 || ~5
 |-
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 ! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 |-
-| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || N/A
+| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || -
 |-
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Excellent low-medium speed manoeuvrability
+* Excellent low-medium speed manoeuvrability, great stall characteristics
 * Has a gyro gunsight that helps leading shots to some extent in simulator
 * Access to anti-aircraft missiles
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 * Poor high-speed manoeuvrability, suffers from extreme elevator, rudder, and aileron compression
 * Afterburner chews through fuel
-* Guns have low velocity and different shell arcs which requires pilot practice to learn to use effectively
+* Guns are difficult to aim and have limited ammunition
-* Very low ammo count for both types of guns
+* PL-2 missiles have very narrow locking arc
 * Frontal-upward vision is entirely blocked out by the large cockpit frame, which disadvantages the pilot in simulator
 == History ==

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 == General info ==
-[[File:CockpitImage_MiG-15.jpg|thumbnail|right|The '''Shenyang F-5''''s instrument panel.]]
+[[File:MiG-17 Cockpit (2022).png|thumb|The '''Shenyang F-5''''s instrument panel.]]
 === Flight performance ===

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 * 2 x PL-2 missiles
-Players also have access to PL-2 air-to-air missiles, which are the Chinese version of the Soviet [[R-3S|K-13 AAM]], which is similar to NATO [[AIM-9B Sidewinder|AIM-9B Sidewinder AAM]]. The missiles are not great at this battle rating, but still usable. Players can choose not to carry them if they prefer using the gun to fight. To use these missiles, player have to spool up the tracker first. Spooling up the tracker will take around 5 seconds so it is better to plan ahead. Just like AIM-9B or any other first generation AAM, PL-2 does not have any off-axis angle to lock the target. To increase the chance of hitting, aim at the opponent's tail while they are flying in a straight line and fire at a distance less than 2 km. Any manoeuvre the opponent performs will prevent the missile from hitting its target.
+Players also have access to PL-2 air-to-air missiles, which are the Chinese version of the Soviet [[R-3S|K-13 AAM]], which is similar to NATO [[AIM-9B Sidewinder|AIM-9B Sidewinder AAM]]. The missiles are not great at this battle rating, but still usable. Players can choose not to carry them if they prefer using the gun to fight. To use these missiles, player have to spool up the tracker first. Spooling up the tracker will take 1 second. Just like AIM-9B or any other first generation AAM, PL-2 does not have any off-axis angle to lock the target. To increase the chance of hitting, aim at the opponent's tail while they are flying in a straight line and fire at a distance less than 2 km. Any manoeuvre the opponent performs will prevent the missile from hitting its target.
 Players also have access to two 250 kg bombs. Two 250 kg bombs are not enough to bomb a base so they are only useful in the ground attack role in ground realistic battles. Keep aware of the tactical situation at hand to bring the most optimal weapons loadout to the battlefield.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mig-17_f5 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
 * [[F-86 Sabre (Family)]]
 * [[J29 (Family)]]