Seafire LF Mk.III (France) - Revision history

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‎Pros and cons: Made it match exact same plane in British tree - Seafire LF Mk.III

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 '''Pros:'''
-* Great sustainable turn rate
+* The engine doesn't overheat any faster than the engines of the other Spitfires
 '''Cons:'''
-* Abysmal climb rate
+* Poor mid and high altitude performance
-* Low max speed compared to opponents
+* Slower than nearly all opponents
-* Very fragile vital components
+* Weak armament
 == History ==

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 == Description ==
-<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->The Seafire LF Mk.III was developed from the previous Seafire Mk.IIc which was a navalized version of a [[Spitfire Mk Vc|Spitfire Mk. Vc]] with modifications for carrier operations. France bought 141 Seafire LF Mk.III after the war and they saw combat above Indochina, mostly providing close air support and raiding enemy camps from the sky with ground ordinance. Free France also operated a number of Spitfires supplied by Britain during WWII, although this ones were flown under French command and with French insignias, they operated alongside British RAF pilots, since they were stationed in British bases.
+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]]. Compared to the regular version of the Spitfire, the Seafire has a mediocre climb rate, being slower at accelerating and also having a poor top speed. The engine is the main issue, since it also overheats regularly when using WEP. The 20mm cannons are prone to jamming and overheating, and it is recommended to quickly research the modifications for the Mk.II 1943 cannons. However not everything is bad, this aircraft being a spitfire, is a very capable dogfighter, and it will outperform many aircrafts like the P-51s and Bf-109s in similar conditions, however, avoid prolonged fights at all costs, since the spitfire has a very poor energy retention.
+It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]]. Compared to the regular version of the Spitfire, the Seafire has a mediocre climb rate, being slower at accelerating and also having a poor top speed. The engine is the main issue, since it also overheats regularly when using WEP. The 20 mm cannons are prone to jamming and overheating, and it is recommended to quickly research the modifications for the Mk.II 1943 cannons. However, being a Spitfire, the Seafire is still a very capable dogfighter, and it can outperform many aircraft like the P-51s and Bf 109s in similar conditions; however, avoid prolonged fights at all costs, since the Seafire has very poor energy retention.
 == General info ==
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 == Usage in battles ==
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 The Seafire LF Mk.III is a jack of all trades, but master of none. The Seafire does not climb well, so after start of battle, pilots should side climb, stay at around 3,000 m of altitude and let better climbing teammates tackle the first wave of enemy interceptors, trying to pick off those that managed to dive down. Still retaining great turning capabilities, the pilot is advised to force enemies into turnfighting where they bleed their energy and become vulnerable. Avoid head-ons at all cost due to the very fragile radiator and engine: even a single bullet will take it out.
 ;Enemies worth noting
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 * Clear visibility from cockpit with no frames obstructing view
 '''Cons:'''
 * Abysmal climb rate

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 == Description ==
-<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->The Seafire LF Mk.III was developed from the previous Seafire Mk.IIc which was a navalized version of a [[Spitfire Mk Vc|Spitfire Mk. Vc]] with modifications for carrier operations. France bought 141 Seafire LF Mk.III after the war and they saw combat above Indochina, mostly providing close air support and raiding enemy camps from the sky with ground ordinance. Free France also operated a number of Spitfires supplied by Britain during WWII, although this ones were flown under French command and with French insignias, they operated alongside British RAF pilots, since they were stationed in British bases.
-The Seafire LF Mk.III was developed from the previous Seafire Mk.IIc which was a navalized version of a [[Spitfire Mk Vc|Spitfire Mk. Vc]] with modifications for carrier operations. France bought 141 Seafire LF Mk.III after the war and they saw combat above Indochina.
+It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]]. Compared to the regular version of the Spitfire, the Seafire has a mediocre climb rate, being slower at accelerating and also having a poor top speed. The engine is the main issue, since it also overheats regularly when using WEP. The 20mm cannons are prone to jamming and overheating, and it is recommended to quickly research the modifications for the Mk.II 1943 cannons. However not everything is bad, this aircraft being a spitfire, is a very capable dogfighter, and it will outperform many aircrafts like the P-51s and Bf-109s in similar conditions, however, avoid prolonged fights at all costs, since the spitfire has a very poor energy retention.
 == General info ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=seafire_mk3_france Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 == Media ==
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-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==

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 {{Specs-Economy}}
-mm ammo belts should be the first upgrade to be researched due to the very poor stock belt. After that, research the first cannon upgrade module to reduce spread and overheating. Unlock then flight performance upgrades: radiator first due to the rather fast overheating of the engine when using WEP. After that, it is up to the pilot to decide if they would rather profit from better weaponry or flight performance.
+The 20 mm cannon belts should be the first upgrade to be researched due to the very poor stock belt. After that, research the first cannon upgrade module to reduce spread and overheating. Unlock then flight performance upgrades: radiator first due to the rather fast overheating of the engine when using WEP. After that, it is up to the pilot to decide if they would rather profit from better weaponry or flight performance.
 == Armaments ==
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The Seafire LF Mk.III is a jack of all trades, but master of none. The Seafire does not climb well, so after start of battle, pilots should side climb, stay at around 3,000 m of altitude and let better climbing team mates tackle the first wave of enemy interceptors, trying to pick off those that managed to dive down. Retaining still a great turning capabilities, the pilot is advised to force enemies into turn fighting where they bleed their energy and became vulnerable. Avoid head-ons at all cost due to very fragile radiator and engine where even single bullet will take it out.
+The Seafire LF Mk.III is a jack of all trades, but master of none. The Seafire does not climb well, so after start of battle, pilots should side climb, stay at around 3,000 m of altitude and let better climbing teammates tackle the first wave of enemy interceptors, trying to pick off those that managed to dive down. Still retaining great turning capabilities, the pilot is advised to force enemies into turnfighting where they bleed their energy and become vulnerable. Avoid head-ons at all cost due to the very fragile radiator and engine: even a single bullet will take it out.
-'''Notable enemies'''
+;Enemies worth noting
-* Bf-109
+* Bf 109
-* Fw-190
+* Fw 190
 * A6M series
 * P-47 Thunderbolt
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 * Ki-84
-All the enemies in the list above can outclimb you, and with the exception of A6M also outrun. With the exception of A6M, all of those can be out turned by the Seafire in a horizontal engagement.
+All the enemies in the list above can outclimb you, and also outrun you with the exception of the A6Ms. However, all those foes (except the A6Ms) can be outturned by the Seafire in an horizontal engagement.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
+* [[Seafire LF Mk.III]]
 == External links ==

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 === Survivability and armour ===
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 === Modifications and economy ===
-{{Specs-Economy}}20 mm ammo belts should be first upgrade to be researched due to very poor stock Hispano belt. After that first cannon upgrade module to reduce spread and overheating, from flight performance upgrades, radiator upgrade advised first due to rather fast overheating of engine while using WEP. After that, it is up to the pilot if they would rather profit from better weapon or flight performance.
+{{Specs-Economy}}
 == Armaments ==
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 * 4 x 7.7 mm Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (350 rpg = 1,400 total)
-The wing-mounted machine guns are very hard to use at distances over 300m due to their placement in wing. Cannons does not have such issue as they are closer to wing root.
+The wing-mounted machine guns are very hard to use at distances over 300 m due to their placement in wing. Cannons does not have such issue as they are closer to the wing roots.
 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The Seafire LF Mk.III is a jack of all trades, but master of none. The Seafire does not climb well, so after start of battle, pilots should side climb, stay at around 3000 m of altitude and let better climbing team mates tackle the first wave of enemy interceptors, trying to pick off those that managed to dive down. Retaining still a great turning capabilities, the pilot is advised to force enemies into turn fighting where they bleed their energy and became vulnerable. Avoid headons at all cost due to very fragile radiator and engine where even single bullet will take it out.
+The Seafire LF Mk.III is a jack of all trades, but master of none. The Seafire does not climb well, so after start of battle, pilots should side climb, stay at around 3,000 m of altitude and let better climbing team mates tackle the first wave of enemy interceptors, trying to pick off those that managed to dive down. Retaining still a great turning capabilities, the pilot is advised to force enemies into turn fighting where they bleed their energy and became vulnerable. Avoid head-ons at all cost due to very fragile radiator and engine where even single bullet will take it out.
 '''Notable enemies'''
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 === Pros and cons ===
-<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->'''Pros:'''
+<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 * Great sustainable turn rate
 * Quite strong armament
 * Clear visibility from cockpit with no frames obstructing view
 '''Cons:'''
-* Abysmall climb rate
+* Abysmal climb rate
 * Low max speed compared to opponents
 * Very fragile vital components
 == History ==

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 === Survivability and armour ===
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 ;Armour plates
 * 7 mm steel plate behind the 4 mm steel pilot seat
 * 6 mm steel headrest
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 * 3 mm steel plate protecting liquid cooling system
 * 3 mm steel boxes protecting magazines in wings
 ;Modules
 * Vital components located at front of the aircraft (engine, fuel tank, pilot, radiator)
 * One self-sealing fuel tank, one non self-sealing located above each other in front of the cockpit

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]].
-The Seafire LF Mk.III was developed from previous Seafire Mk.IIc which was a navalized version of a [[Spitfire Mk Vc|Spitfire Mk. Vc]] with modifications for carrier operations. France bought 141 Seafire LF Mk.III after the war and they saw combat above Indochina.
+The Seafire LF Mk.III was developed from the previous Seafire Mk.IIc which was a navalized version of a [[Spitfire Mk Vc|Spitfire Mk. Vc]] with modifications for carrier operations. France bought 141 Seafire LF Mk.III after the war and they saw combat above Indochina.
 == General info ==