Sea Meteor F Mk 3 - Revision history

U38088265: /* Offensive armament */ Updated

2024-06-22T15:22:50Z

‎Offensive armament: Updated

U38088265: /* Description */ Updated to new standard

2024-05-27T21:54:35Z

‎Description: Updated to new standard

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2024-03-16T13:45:54Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U44629479: Edits

2022-12-09T22:18:14Z

Edits

U38088265: /* Details */

2022-11-30T15:05:41Z

‎Details

U38088265: /* In-game description */ Reformatted

2022-10-20T21:44:26Z

‎In-game description: Reformatted

U3312106: /* External links */

2022-09-17T14:48:43Z

‎External links

U44629479: Reworded / Added content

2022-09-08T20:05:44Z

Reworded / Added content

U75790392: /* Usage in battles */

2022-09-08T10:23:35Z

‎Usage in battles

U38088265: /* Engine performance */

2021-08-21T16:22:49Z

‎Engine performance

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 {{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
 <!-- ''Describe the offensive armament of the aircraft, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in a battle, and also what belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|Hispano Mk.V (20 mm)}}
+{{main|Hispano Mk.II (20 mm)}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-* 4 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.V cannons, nose-mounted (200 rpg top-left, 190 rpg top-right, 190 rpg bottom-left, 200 rpg bottom-right = 780 total)
+* 4 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.II cannons, nose-mounted (180 rpg = 720 total)
-The 4 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.V cannons can cause massive damage if properly aimed. However, their muzzle velocity is somewhat average and the air targets belt (easily the best one) does not contain tracers at all, so you must get used to the lead angles while grinding the ammo upgrade.
+The 4 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.II cannons can cause massive damage if properly aimed. However, their muzzle velocity is somewhat average.
 === Suspended armament ===

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27.
+In 1948, two [[Meteor F Mk 3]]s were navalised for carrier trials. They were fitted with tail hooks and had reinforced underbellies and landing gear, as well as being equipped with the new, more powerful Derwent 5 jet engines. The two aircraft undertook a number of take-off and landing tests aboard HMS Illustrious and Implacable. While the Royal Navy were impressed with their performance, it was instead decided to commission the [[Attacker FB 1|Supermarine Attacker]] for the role.
-At first sight, most pilots that take the Sea Meteor out believe it has just what they always wanted from the Meteor F.3 - speed. Because of this, they often try to do what they did in the F.3 - turn fighting - and end up without wings. The key difference between the Meteor F.3 and the Sea Meteor is the weaker wings. While you could pull full G's in the Meteor F.3 and get away with it, the Sea Meteor will instantly rip if mishandled above 700 km/h. Use your airbrakes and try to tame the speed of the Sea Meteor in a dive, because if you go too fast downwards, it won't be compression that kills you - your incapability of pulling up rests on the weakness of your wings. Your straight-line speed is truly an upgrade from the F.3, and now even the dreaded B-57s will have a hard time running away from you - in fact, the fully-upgraded Sea Meteor usually hits its redline speed in a straight line, and can easily rip its wings off in level flight if you are not careful.
+In the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27, the Sea Meteor solves one of the main issues of the preceding Meteor F Mk 3: its relatively lacklustre engine performance. Equipped with engines almost twice as powerful as the original Derwent Is, the Sea Meteor is certainly not lacking for speed and acceleration. However, this upgrade comes with a significant drawback: the extra power means that the Sea Meteor can reach structural failure extremely easily, capable of ripping its wings even in level flight, let alone at the hint of any manoeuvres at high speeds. Despite the importance of maintaining speed in jet gameplay, it is highly recommended to utilise the airbrake if necessary when diving or manoeuvring, lest you become a meteorite heading straight into the sea. The Sea Meteor exhibits the same excellent manoeuvrability of the original Meteor once this immediate issue has been mitigated, and has more than enough thrust to regain speed or separation after an engagement.
 == General info ==

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	The 4 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.V cannons can cause massive damage if properly aimed. However, their muzzle velocity is somewhat average and the air targets belt (easily the best one) does not contain tracers at all, so you must get used to the lead angles while grinding the ammo upgrade.		The 4 x 20 mm Hispano Mk.V cannons can cause massive damage if properly aimed. However, their muzzle velocity is somewhat average and the air targets belt (easily the best one) does not contain tracers at all, so you must get used to the lead angles while grinding the ammo upgrade.
		+
		+	=== Suspended armament ===
		+	{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
		+	<!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
		+	{{main\|H.E. M.C. Mk.13 (1,000 lb)}}
		+
		+	The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
		+
		+	* Without load
		+	* 2 x 1,000 lb H.E. M.C. Mk.13 bombs (2,000 lb total)

	== Usage in battles ==		== Usage in battles ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27.
-At first sight, most pilots that take the Sea Meteor out believe it has just what they always wanted from the Meteor F.3 - speed. Because of this, they often try to do what they did in the F.3 - turn fighting - and end up without wings. The key difference between the Meteor F.3 and the Sea Meteor is the weaker wings. While you could pull full G's in the Meteor F.3 and get away with it, the Sea Meteor will instantly rip if mishandled above 700 kph. Use your airbrakes and try to tame the speed of the Sea Meteor in a dive, because if you go too fast downwards, it won't be compression that kills you - your incapability of pulling up rests on the weakness of your wings. Your straight-line speed is truly an upgrade from the F.3, and now even the dreaded B-57s will have a hard time running away from you - in fact, the fully-upgraded Sea Meteor usually hits its redline speed in a straight line, and can easily rip its wings off in level flight if you are not careful.
+At first sight, most pilots that take the Sea Meteor out believe it has just what they always wanted from the Meteor F.3 - speed. Because of this, they often try to do what they did in the F.3 - turn fighting - and end up without wings. The key difference between the Meteor F.3 and the Sea Meteor is the weaker wings. While you could pull full G's in the Meteor F.3 and get away with it, the Sea Meteor will instantly rip if mishandled above 700 km/h. Use your airbrakes and try to tame the speed of the Sea Meteor in a dive, because if you go too fast downwards, it won't be compression that kills you - your incapability of pulling up rests on the weakness of your wings. Your straight-line speed is truly an upgrade from the F.3, and now even the dreaded B-57s will have a hard time running away from you - in fact, the fully-upgraded Sea Meteor usually hits its redline speed in a straight line, and can easily rip its wings off in level flight if you are not careful.
 == General info ==
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 The Gloster Meteor F.Mk.III fighter that entered service in August 1944 became the first full-scale production version of the aircraft. The F.Mk.III version was powered by two Rolls-Royce Derwent Mk.I turbojet engines producing 910 kg of thrust. Furthermore, a number of changes were introduced in the design: the dive flaps were improved, the fuel quantity was increased, and the airframe was partially reinforced. Externally, the F.Mk.III differed from the F.Mk.I by its new cockpit canopy, which was not side-opening but sliding.
-The fighter's armament consisted of four 20mm British Hispano Mk.II cannons with 200 rounds per gun in the upper pair and 190 rounds per gun in the lower pair.
+The fighter's armament consisted of four 20 mm British Hispano Mk.II cannons with 200 rounds per gun in the upper pair and 190 rounds per gun in the lower pair.
-A 180-gallon (818 L) fuel tank could be suspended under the fuselage. Two 100-gallon (455 L) external fuel tanks could also be mounted under the wing panels. As an experiment, the suspension of two 500-lb (227 kg) or 1,000 (454 kg) bombs or 16 rockets was attempted.
+A 180-gallon (818 L) fuel tank could be suspended under the fuselage. Two 100-gallon (455 L) external fuel tanks could also be mounted under the wing panels. As an experiment, the suspension of two 500 b (227 kg) or 1,000 (454 kg) bombs or 16 rockets was attempted.
 The first F.Mk.III fighters produced in September 1944 had Rolls-Royce Welland engines producing 770 kg of thrust, as the Rolls-Royce Derwents were not yet mass-produced. These aircraft were designated as the G.41C. The 16th and subsequent production aircraft were the first to have standard Derwent Mk.I engines; these were designated as the G.41D. The last 15 production aircraft assembled were the G.41E version, with extended nacelles designed for the subsequent version of the F.Mk.4.
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 ;Skins
-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=britain&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=fighter&vehicle=meteor_fmk3_navy Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=meteor_fmk3_navy Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 495 || 462 || 290 || ~9 || ~4
+| 850 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 495 || 462 || 290 || ~9 || ~4
 |-
 |}

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-=== In-game description ===
+{{break}}
 The Gloster Meteor was the RAF's first jet powered aircraft, and the only Allied jet to see combat in the Second World War. An all-metal, single-seat fighter with two turbojet engines, it first entered service in 1944. The aircraft's development started in August 1940 and was given Air Ministry approval in November of the same year. The Ministry of Aircraft Production drew up the official F.9/40 specifications for a heavy interceptor fighter to be designated as Type G.41; the first prototype fighter flew on March 5th 1943 at RAF Cranwell. At the beginning of 1944, the aircraft was launched into full-scale production under the designation of Gloster Meteor F.Mk.I (Type G.41A). The type entered service with No 616 Squadron who, after conversion to the Meteor from their Spitfire Mk.VIIs, used the ground breaking fighter to successfully intercept V-1 'flying bombs' which were being launched from bases in occupied Europe to attack targets in England.
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 The total number of F.Mk.III Gloster Meteors built was 210, but service after the end of the Second World War would see further development and operational sorties in combat.
 == Media ==

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 * ''other literature.'' -->
 * [[wikipedia:Gloster_Meteor|[Wikipedia] Gloster Meteor]]
 {{AirManufacturer Gloster}}
 {{Britain jet aircraft}}

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 The Sea Meteor is essentially a much more powerful Meteor F Mk 3, and can be played as such. The good handling characteristics of the original Mk 3 are retained, but acceleration, speed, and energy retention are all vastly improved. The main drawback is that the increased weight and speed of the aircraft makes wing ripping much more of a problem, you should be careful during turns and remember that you can pull less Gs than the regular Mk 3. The speed of the Sea Meteor also needs to be kept in check, if left to its own devices it will quite happily accelerate until the wings fall off, even in level flight. If you need to slow yourself down when diving on enemy aircraft the airbrakes should be your first port of call, by keeping the engines spooled up you allow yourself to rapidly accelerate away from your target after an attack.
-Currently 8.sept.2022
+;Enemies worth noting
-* La-200                 Faster
+* [[F-84 (Family)|F-84G models]] - They have a similar top speed to the Sea Meteor F Mk 3 and a higher wing rip speed. The higher wing rip speed gives the F-84Gs an advantage in a high speed dive.
-* Il-28                     Faster or Equal
+* [[La-200]] - It is faster and has a higher wing rip speed than the Sea Meteor F Mk 3 and will be able to catch up to the Sea Meteor when speeding away.
-* F-84 models        Faster or Equal
+* [[IL-28 (Family)]] - It has a similar top speed to the Sea Meteor F Mk 3.
 === Pros and cons ===

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	The Sea Meteor is essentially a much more powerful Meteor F Mk 3, and can be played as such. The good handling characteristics of the original Mk 3 are retained, but acceleration, speed, and energy retention are all vastly improved. The main drawback is that the increased weight and speed of the aircraft makes wing ripping much more of a problem, you should be careful during turns and remember that you can pull less Gs than the regular Mk 3. The speed of the Sea Meteor also needs to be kept in check, if left to its own devices it will quite happily accelerate until the wings fall off, even in level flight. If you need to slow yourself down when diving on enemy aircraft the airbrakes should be your first port of call, by keeping the engines spooled up you allow yourself to rapidly accelerate away from your target after an attack.		The Sea Meteor is essentially a much more powerful Meteor F Mk 3, and can be played as such. The good handling characteristics of the original Mk 3 are retained, but acceleration, speed, and energy retention are all vastly improved. The main drawback is that the increased weight and speed of the aircraft makes wing ripping much more of a problem, you should be careful during turns and remember that you can pull less Gs than the regular Mk 3. The speed of the Sea Meteor also needs to be kept in check, if left to its own devices it will quite happily accelerate until the wings fall off, even in level flight. If you need to slow yourself down when diving on enemy aircraft the airbrakes should be your first port of call, by keeping the engines spooled up you allow yourself to rapidly accelerate away from your target after an attack.
		+
		+	Currently 8.sept.2022
		+	* La-200 Faster
		+	* Il-28 Faster or Equal
		+	* F-84 models Faster or Equal

	=== Pros and cons ===		=== Pros and cons ===

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 ! colspan="3" | Engine
-! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
+! colspan="3" | Aircraft mass
 |-
 ! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
-! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
+! colspan="1" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
 |-
 | colspan="2" | Rolls-Royce Derwent 5 || 2
-| colspan="2" | 5,516 kg || colspan="2" | 194 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
+| colspan="1" | 5,629 kg || colspan="2" | 197 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 |-
 ! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
-! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff<br />Weight
+! colspan="2" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff<br>Weight
 |-
 ! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
-! 7m fuel || 20m fuel || 26m fuel
+! 5m fuel || 19m fuel
 |-
 | 443 kg || colspan="2" | Centrifugal-flow turbojet
-| 5,863 kg || 6,463 kg || 6,739 kg || 6,940 kg
+| 5,989 kg || 6,829 kg || 6,940 kg
 |-
-! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
+! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
-! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
+! colspan="3" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
 |-
 ! Condition || 100% || WEP
-! 7m fuel || 20m fuel || 26m fuel || MTOW
+! 5m fuel || 19m fuel || MTOW
 |-
 | ''Stationary'' || 1,587 kgf || N/A
-| 0.54 || 0.49 || 0.47 || 0.46
+| 0.53 || 0.46 || 0.46
 |-
-| ''Optimal'' || 1,587 kgf<br />(0 km/h) || N/A
+| ''Optimal'' || 1,587 kgf<br>(0 km/h) || N/A
-| 0.54 || 0.49 || 0.47 || 0.46
+| 0.53 || 0.46 || 0.46
 |-
 |}