Scimitar F Mk.1 - Revision history

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 The Scimitar F.1 is a relatively large and heavy aircraft, but it is still extremely capable because of its impressive engines. The Scimitar's two Rolls-Royce Avon 202 engines put out 4,650 kgf of thrust each, giving the Scimitar its fantastic climb rate of over 100 m/s. This outclasses similarly placed jets known for their climb rate (such as the [[MiG-15]]) by almost 2 times, and it's capable of gaining speed in a 45° climb. The impressive amount of power means that, assuming you aren't uptiered to 9.7, you will always be the first off the airfield and into combat. The Scimitar has a max speed of just over 1,160 km/h or mach 0.95 on the deck, enough to outrun anything at its BR, and even some missiles too. In an uptier, there are many planes faster than you so be extra cautious: don't engage first and look for an opportunity.
-The Scimitar has very poor manoeuvrability due to its large weight and size, the yaw controls are particularly bad. It is therefore recommended that you only engage low energy targets and use the element of surprise so they cannot evade. If the target is aware of your presence, they will easily evade you. Unlike other jets at its BR, the Scimitar also struggles to dodge missiles. You should make sure that no one is in a position to be on your six since once an enemy is behind you and gaining on you, there is nothing you can do. The Scimitar does get 4 x AIM-9B missiles, and these can be used on targets that use your lack of a rudder against you, however you should keep in mind that they are only 2G missiles and can easily be dodged by the enemy. Overall this aircraft seems good on paper, however its poor handling plays hugely against it.
+The Scimitar has very poor manoeuvrability due to its large weight and size, the yaw controls are particularly bad. It is therefore recommended that you only engage low energy targets and use the element of surprise so they cannot evade. If the target is aware of your presence, they will easily evade you. Unlike other jets at its BR, the Scimitar also struggles to dodge missiles. You should make sure that no one is in a position to be on your six since once an enemy is behind you and gaining on you, there is nothing you can do. The Scimitar does get 4 x AIM-9B missiles, and these can be used on targets that use your lack of a rudder against you, however you should keep in mind that they are only 10G missiles and can easily be dodged by the enemy. Overall this aircraft seems good on paper, however its poor handling plays hugely against it.
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 * Does not turn very well
 * Asymmetric wing damage is liable to cause a non-recoverable flat spin
-* Elevator is single piece. Breaks easily
+* Elevator is single piece. Taking damage through is fatal
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 * Does not turn very well
 * Asymmetric wing damage is liable to cause a non-recoverable flat spin
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 * Does not turn very well
 * Asymmetric wing damage is liable to cause a non-recoverable flat spin
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 * Does not turn very well
 * Asymmetric wing damage is liable to cause a non-recoverable flat spin
 == History ==

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 <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
 [[File:Rudder Demonstration .png|thumb|''Full left yaw at 1,000 km/h'']]
-The Scimitar F.1 is a relatively large and heavy aircraft, but it is still extremely capable because of its impressive engines. The Scimitar's two Rolls-Royce Avon 202 engines put out 4,650 kgf of thrust each, giving the Scimitar its fantastic climb rate of over 100 m/s. This outclasses similarly placed jets known for their climb rate (such as the [[MiG-15]]) by almost 2 times, and it's capable of gaining speed in a 45° climb. The impressive amount of power means that, assuming you aren't uptiered to 9.7, you will always be the first off the airfield and into combat. The Scimitar has a max speed of just over 1,160 km/h or mach 0.95 on the deck, enough to outrun anything at its BR, and even some missiles too. In an uptier there are many planes faster than you so be extra cautious, don't engage first and look for an opportunity.
+The Scimitar F.1 is a relatively large and heavy aircraft, but it is still extremely capable because of its impressive engines. The Scimitar's two Rolls-Royce Avon 202 engines put out 4,650 kgf of thrust each, giving the Scimitar its fantastic climb rate of over 100 m/s. This outclasses similarly placed jets known for their climb rate (such as the [[MiG-15]]) by almost 2 times, and it's capable of gaining speed in a 45° climb. The impressive amount of power means that, assuming you aren't uptiered to 9.7, you will always be the first off the airfield and into combat. The Scimitar has a max speed of just over 1,160 km/h or mach 0.95 on the deck, enough to outrun anything at its BR, and even some missiles too. In an uptier, there are many planes faster than you so be extra cautious: don't engage first and look for an opportunity.
-The Scimitar has very poor manoeuvrability due to its large weight and size, the yaw controls are particularly bad. It is recommended because of this that you only engage low energy targets and use the element of surprise so they cannot evade. If the target is aware of your presence they will easily evade you. Unlike other jets at its br the Scimitar also struggles to dodge missiles. You should make sure that no one is in a position to be on your six as once an enemy is behind you and gaining on you there is nothing you can do. The Scimitar does get 4 x AIM-9B missiles, and these can be used on targets that use your lack of a rudder against you, however you should keep in mind that they are only 2G missiles and can easily be dodged by the enemy. Overall this aircraft seems good on paper however its poor handling plays hugely against it.
+The Scimitar has very poor manoeuvrability due to its large weight and size, the yaw controls are particularly bad. It is therefore recommended that you only engage low energy targets and use the element of surprise so they cannot evade. If the target is aware of your presence, they will easily evade you. Unlike other jets at its BR, the Scimitar also struggles to dodge missiles. You should make sure that no one is in a position to be on your six since once an enemy is behind you and gaining on you, there is nothing you can do. The Scimitar does get 4 x AIM-9B missiles, and these can be used on targets that use your lack of a rudder against you, however you should keep in mind that they are only 2G missiles and can easily be dodged by the enemy. Overall this aircraft seems good on paper, however its poor handling plays hugely against it.
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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Starfighters"]]. The last aircraft ever produced by the famous Supermarine company, the Scimitar is a heavy but very powerful carrier-borne fighter. Its two immensely powerful engines make it just about the fastest subsonic aircraft in the game, however its interesting handling characteristics can make it an interesting challenge to fly. As well as being a powerful fighter, the Scimitar has excellent ground attack capability, and is the first British aircraft (second being the Buccaneer} capable of carrying air-to-ground missiles.
+The last aircraft ever produced by the famous Supermarine company, the Scimitar was developed to meet the Royal Navy's requirements for an aircraft with good low-altitude manoeuvrability and wide choice of strike ordnance. Featuring two large Rolls Royce Avon Mk.202 engines, the Scimitar was the heaviest and most powerful aircraft to have been in service with the Fleet Air Arm at its entry in 1958. While the plane was generally praised for its low-level and low-speed flight characteristics, helped in part by a special flap-blowing system that allowed some of the excess thrust to be redirected across the flaps to reduce its stall speed, over half of the 76 Scimitars produced were lost to accidents, and the plane had generally poor reliability and serviceability. The aircraft was quickly relegated to second line duties with the introduction of the [[Buccaneer S.1|Blackburn Buccaneer]] in 1962, and was finally retired completely in 1970.
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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 * Without load
 * 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
-* 4 x 1,000 lb M.C. 1,000 lb Mk.I bombs (4,000 lb total)
+* 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
 * 24 x AP Mk II rockets
 * 4 x AGM-12B Bullpup missiles
-* 2 x AGM-12B Bullpup missiles + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
+* 4 x 1,000 lb M.C. Mk.I bombs (4,000 lb total)
-* 2 x 1,000 lb M.C. 1,000 lb Mk.I bombs + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (2,000 lb total)
+{{Navigation-End}}
 == Usage in battles ==

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 ! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
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-| colspan="2" | Rolls-Royce Avon Mk.202 ||  2
+| colspan="2" | Rolls-Royce Avon Mk.202 || 2
 | colspan="2" | 11,722 kg || colspan="2" | 349 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
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 '''Development and Operation'''
-The Supermarine Scimitar was a naval strike aircraft with a limited production run for the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm. The Navy's specifications required the aircraft to be effective in a strike-fighter/attacker role which consisted of proficient manoeuvrability at low altitudes and plenty of ordnance options for ground attack operations. Issues with the desired handling became apparent quickly as it was the heaviest aircraft to see service for the Fleet Air Arm; weighing 34,200 lb even before being equipped with four 1000 lb bombs or AGM-34 bullpup missile configurations. Nuclear capability was also planned for the aircraft through the use of a Red Beard nuclear bomb was uncertain and never fully realised.<ref name=":0">https://www.tangmere-museum.org.uk/aircraft-month/supermarine-scimitar</ref>
+The Supermarine Scimitar was a naval strike aircraft with a limited production run for the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm. The Navy's specifications required the aircraft to be effective in a strike-fighter/attacker role which consisted of proficient manoeuvrability at low altitudes and plenty of ordnance options for ground attack operations. Issues with the desired handling became apparent quickly as it was the heaviest aircraft to see service for the Fleet Air Arm; weighing 34,200 lb even before being equipped with four 1,000 lb bombs or AGM-34 bullpup missile configurations. Nuclear capability was also planned for the aircraft through the use of a Red Beard nuclear bomb was uncertain and never fully realised.<ref name=":0">https://www.tangmere-museum.org.uk/aircraft-month/supermarine-scimitar</ref>
 With aircraft carriers modernising, and the Royal Navy requiring an upgraded capability to strike at sea, the experimental aircraft took its maiden flight on the 31st of August 1951. The first prototype emerged, powered by significant thrust generating Rolls Royce Avon jet engines. 11,250 lb of thrust combined with flaps and a system to redirect the thrust downward with the use of small vent ports just in front of the flaps, pushed the stall speed back allowing for theoretically safer carrier landings and generally more dextrous low-speed manoeuvres. This was a necessary innovation as most British carrier decks were short and snug due to the budget constraints. Scimitars remained on land at RAF bases whilst undergoing thorough testing for their safety and competency. The potency of the thrust from the Avon engines was proved when a pilot successfully managed to perform a take-off with the parking brake on. The third prototype design was the first to feature swept wings which would remain for the rest of the aircraft's short life.
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